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Just watched finale.. What did you think would happen?


Hi, I watched the DA finale for the first time last night after having watched season 6 over the Christmas period. First started watching DA about three years ago and it was always a Christmas thing for me.

So, just interested when you started watching S6, how did you feel DA was going to end and did you have any predictions for the finale (that either happened or didn't)?

I thought along we would get the Bate's baby and Edith's wedding in the finale, that was very easy to predict. But I felt by the end of S5 going into S6 that the family would lose or give up DA as their home. There was so much talk of change and the modern world and lots of seemingly obvious foreshadowing that I was sure that's where it was heading. I also thought Robert was going to die. Those pains in the initial episodes seemed to be indicating that. So, either it would be the end of DA as their home or we would see Mary lead it into a totally new direction.

However, when Robert recovered and time seemed to be running out for a story focusing on the loss of DA, I had no idea, how the show would end. TBH, the finale didn't feel very final to me. It didn't feel like a complete ending. That might be because I was expecting a more definite ending, though. I thought perhaps at the very end it would jump ahead a couple of years and we would see what became of DA. There wasn't the sense of finality that I thought there was going to be.


So, how did you all think the show would bow out?

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Just like you, I expected JF would FINALLY give/allow some happiness for Edith and the Bates. He certainly put those characters through a lot of grief during the length of the series. Don't think "public opinion" would have let JF get away with less for Edith and the Bates! :D

I was not surprised that the Crawleys did NOT loose Downton despite the foreboding tone at times during Season 6. In numerous interviews, JF has always stated that he imagined Downton would survive and stay in the Crawley family just like Highclere Castle stayed in the Carnarvon family. That Downton would survive into the future.

As a result, I did NOT see Robert dying. Give us a good health scare - YES, but death NO. A new hit of death taxes would put the estate's future TOO much in doubt for the series ending and contradict JF's imaginary vision.

Also from numerous interviews (JF, Gareth Neame, Liz Trubridge), the CS landed/placed all the main characters in a position where "we can imagine" their moving on into the future. For me, the way it ended left it open for JF, GN and LT to pick up the characters lives IF (and I assume a very BIG IF) there were to be a movie.

What I found VERY forced about Season 6 and especially the CS, was all the "pairing off" that occurred. Yes, JF commited himself to Carson/Hughes marrying in Season 5, so no surprise there.

I actually enjoyed Edith/Bertie despite the Marigold drama. AND there was good chemistry in the development of Edith/Bertie. Could see Molesley/Baxter. That was a very nice/comfortable evolution over 3 seasons.

Can ALMOST see Patmore/Mason as a gradual outgrowth of their mutual concern/love of Daisy and all her ups & downs. BUT Daisy/Andy? Where did that come from? Too forced for me.

Found the Isobel and Violet "rescue" of Merton rather corny. For me, just a quick resolution of Isobel's story line to give her a happy ending.

Had a hard time with Mary/Henry. Felt very forced. Although in the CS Henry was very likable, the Mary/Henry relationship seemed to lack any real chemistry (unlike Edith/Bertie). There was more chemistry between Tom and Henry in their "Bromance" than between Mary and Henry!

If Season 6 was the redemption and humanizing of Mary's character after 2 seasons of obnoxious, somewhat childish, self-centered, cold and haughty behavior, it came pretty late by the CS (at least for me) to make it truly believable. Yes, the signs are there, but I felt like I needed more time for it to feel like a true change.

Yes, the "hospital story line" was drawn out and dreary, BUT I did like that it gave Cora something to sink her teeth into. AND how Violey FINALLY conceded to Cora the "Queen of the County" rank - a role that really should have been Cora's for many years (since Season 1?).

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What with being behind the pace as it aired on TV, I never read or listened to any interviews, etc, so had no clue as to what might or might not happen, but I agree with you entirely with your point below;

<<<For me, the way it ended left it open for JF, GN and LT to pick up the characters lives IF (and I assume a very BIG IF) there were to be a movie.>>>

That was precisely the feeling I got. It had a vibe that seemed to say they might return to this someday and that's why it didn't have the sense of a complete ending.

I also agree with the unnecessary pairings. Characters have absolutely no need to be coupled off to have a happy ending. For example, I loved Mr Moseley's ending with him becoming a teacher. I thought that was a lovely little conclusion for him. Of course, we assume their was also a future for him with Baxter, but that was really nice the way they left it. Daisy/Andy was just crow-barred in for no apparent reason. I think her deciding to live with Mr Mason and continuing with her education would have been fine enough.

Funnily, I thought Isobel finally agreeing to marry the dying Merton to be quite poignant, but then we found out he wasn't dying after all, haha. I think they should have left it were he was so her ending would have been more bittersweet.

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Had a hard time with Mary/Henry. Felt very forced. Although in the CS Henry was very likable, the Mary/Henry relationship seemed to lack any real chemistry (unlike Edith/Bertie).

If you look back, after their first meetings, Bertie comes back an episode sooner. I don't know that he has more screen time than Henry, but he is given a longer presence. That was the magazine scene, where he finds an affectionate rapport with Edith that establishes him as a likable, serious suitor. Henry shows up again in the fourth episode of season 6, and never leaves, but for half the season he's not present--there's almost a who's he? moment when he reappears.

As to your second point, that's factual. LC said that she loved working with Harry Haddon-Paton, and that at the wedding, their wonderful silliness at the altar just happened; they looked at each other and couldn't help grinning.

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Bertie's first appearance was Episode 3. No Henry in it.
Henry's first was Episode 4. No Bertie in it.
Both appeared in the remainder of the episodes. So the same number of episodes. However, I too am not sure if Bertie tallied more screen time/scenes/minutes than Henry.

I may be wrong, but I felt that Edith & Bertie had more (for lack of a better word) "casual", one-on-one, easy-going toned scenes. Why it was easier for me to warm to the relationship. AND no Tom as a third-wheel, nagging them and "Bromancing" Bertie!

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Yes, the "hospital story line" was drawn out and dreary, BUT I did like that it gave Cora something to sink her teeth into. AND how Violey FINALLY conceded to Cora the "Queen of the County" rank - a role that really should have been Cora's for many years (since Season 1?)

Yes, that would be the outcome of the otherwise unnecessary hospital storyline. That rank should by the way have been Cora's ever since Violet's husband/Robert's father died. But we all know Violet and that it was hard for her to give up any of her privileges.

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Before the release of the Sixth Season I read an interview with Elizabeth McGovern in which she mentioned that something so drastic would happen in the final season that it would change the family forever. That did imply something like a death (because short of aliens from outer space landing on the groomed lawns of Downton, what could be that drastic at a such short notice?). Robert's death would have been a good ending of the series for it would symbolize the end of an era, the final swan song of Victorian and Edwardian Britain and a decisive shift to a far less certain modern era.

I pulled together a potential scenario where Robert's death due to an ill-equipped hospital would send everyone in different directions. The first reaction would be that new death duties, on top of the duties just paid for Matthew's death would make Mary decide that the solution was to economise to save the house and estate for her son, the new earl and still very underage, so he'd have a proper inheritance when he came of age, and rent out the house on a long term lease while retreating to another house on the estate. Mary would become a Scarlett O'Hara type figure and decide to dedicate herself to managing the estate so she decides that she's happier as a single / widow and turn down all the men interested in her.

Edith still pairs up with Bertie Hexham and has a happy ending of her own.

Meanwhile, Cora decides that she misses America and even says that she's never been fully happy living in England because she was never truly accepted, and as her mother is in ill-health, she moves back to New York to be with her. She takes Thomas with her as her butler, so Thomas gets to escape the narrow world of rural Yorkshire for the excitement of New York.

Mrs. Crawley still marries Lord Merton, and as her house becomes vacant, Mary moves into it. She takes a few (unnamed) servants from Downton with her but it's a reduced staff of only 3-4 servants (cook, maid, nanny and gardener).

With the closure of the house, the servants are scattered.

Bates and Anna go off to run their own inn with baby Bates.

Molesly marries Baxter and he becomes the teacher.

Mrs. Patmore retires to her B&B and possibly pairs off with Mr. Mason

Daisy and Albert take over the Mason farm.

As for the dowager countess, Violet remains in the dower house, her influence diminished and growing even older.

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A pity you weren't the writer, is all I can say.

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Very much like all your ideas. Does make much more sense than what JF gave us.

Just 1 "tweak" to 1 idea. Can't see Cora moving permanently an ocean-away from her grandchildren and even her remaining daughters. Yes, to an extended visit to US, but NOT a move. She was too thrilled/happy about Sybbie's return from Boston and NOT at all put out by her mother not attending Edith's wedding to live permanently back in America by her mother & brother.

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Cora seemed more attached to baby Sybil than the other grandchildren due to Sybil's death. If Tom had stayed in America that could be an additional excuse for Cora's return to the US to be closer to Sybbie and provide support, especially as Tom is a single parent. Just a thought.

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Perhaps with Sybbie & Tom there, moving would INITIALLY be fine for Cora.

BUT Cora has NO fortune of her own. Robert lost it with the railroad investment. She'd be financially dependent on her mother & Harold. Her mother's trust/money reverts to Harold when her mother dies per S4CS. Cora would then be dependent on Harold.

Guess after her mother dies, we could imagine several scenarios for Cora going forward.

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She would have her dower settlement. Before her marriage money would have been settled on her and an income arranged for her in the event of Robert's death. Robert would not have been able to touch that money.

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Sorry, wasn't aware her dower settlement would not have been affected.
Guess I see Cora a little differently than others. Can't see her chucking it all and permanently moving back to America after 35+ years. Extended time with her mother - Yes. But not a forever move.

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Extended time with her mother - Yes. But not a forever move.
Choosing between spending her life with her mother, or her grandchildren? No contest.

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Edith still pairs up with Bertie Hexham and has a happy ending of her own.

Meanwhile, Cora decides that she misses America and even says that she's never been fully happy living in England because she was never truly accepted, and as her mother is in ill-health, she moves back to New York to be with her. She takes Thomas with her as her butler, so Thomas gets to escape the narrow world of rural Yorkshire for the excitement of New York.

Mrs. Crawley still marries Lord Merton, and as her house becomes vacant, Mary moves into it. She takes a few (unnamed) servants from Downton with her but it's a reduced staff of only 3-4 servants (cook, maid, nanny and gardener).

With the closure of the house, the servants are scattered.

Bates and Anna go off to run their own inn with baby Bates.

Molesly marries Baxter and he becomes the teacher.

Mrs. Patmore retires to her B&B and possibly pairs off with Mr. Mason

Daisy and Albert take over the Mason farm.

As for the dowager countess, Violet remains in the dower house, her influence diminished and growing even older.


Your ending is great! I agree you should have been a writer for DA

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@tally1.... YOUR 'endings'ARE far more varied and interesting!!! :) ??

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Looking back, you have to wonder what Elizabeth McGovern meant by that comment. Maybe it was Robert's burst ulcer?

Anyway, I have to say that I'm happy that Robert survived. I don't see why so many posters here wanted him to die. And if anyone had to die at that point, I would have picked Violet. Not that I didn't love her just as much as everybody else did, but she at least was old. And it would have been the end of an era, even more than what Robert's death would have been.

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Just finished the series. It was a fairytale ending overall. Some of the other scenarios people have come up with on here are pretty good as an ending as well. Glad I watched it though. If it was any type of glimpse into the English way of life back in that era, It was interesting. ladies made butler under butler, footman etc. someone to dress you, brush your hair, make your meals. Wow!!

I did find Mary, irritating of all. However probably, it was written that way.

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I just finished binging the show last night. Never got around to watching it in the heyday. Loved it all. I personally really enjoyed the last episode. I am one for happy endings so liked that there was no real drama left at the end and yet was happy they left it open should a movie be made or even if they wanted to move the show a few years into the future for a reboot. Say when George is ready to take over. either way, I felt satisfied at the end.

If I could see one thing in the ending, with all the talk of the future, I feel like I would have liked to have heard a more final plan of what was going to happen to the Abbey financially. I really enjoyed the episode where they did the tour. Tom was absolutely right that tours would be a way to go. I think it was funny showing how much the family did NOT know the history of the estate but at the same time, it should have been an eye opener to them that they need to spend some time learning about the house they have been living in for 30 years. A call back saying they were going to start adding the tours would have been nice.

The 'too convenient' plot line for me was Thomas Barrow being elevated to butler. It was a great scene and Thomas was one of my favorite characters. I am just not a fan of some plots that make a big deal about leaving but then in the very next episode they are back. Same kind of thing happened to Tom and Syble when they returned for the Carson's wedding. I didn't feel they were gone long enough to miss them. Anyway, they could have easily had the promotion happen without Thomas leaving as his time in the other house didn't really lead to anything. He had already learned his lesson so it was just padded storyline to me. They should have either let Tom be happy in the new job or took care of the promotion without him leaving. But that's just my nit pick.

Again, overall I enjoyed it. Can't wait to watch the movie and see what happens there.

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I mever, throughout the entire run of the series, thought the family would lose the estate.mFrankly, that was never a story that Fellowes was willing to tell.

Besides, if they had lost the estate then we couldn’t have had the two films.

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