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Dr Hawass has made a terrible mistake...


...by consenting to participate in this reality TV charade. There's nothing truthful in any of the episodes, from Leslie Greif's claim that it was Hawass's idea to do this show, to the so-called new discoveries.

In each 45 minute episode, there's only a couple of minutes devoted to real archaeology - all the rest is manufactured drama, like Derick cussing in front of Dr Hawass, Zoe urinating in the fourth upper chamber, and the autombile break-down and walk across the desert. It transforms the serious subject of Egyptian archaeology into assclownery.

I call the discoveries 'untruthful,' because a lot of this (like the identification of Thutmose I) was stuff I was reading in the literature over ten years ago.

Each episode comes close to realizing the same ground pioneered by 'Survivor' years ago - the archaeological "fellows" (actually actors) worry about elimination. It's like 'The Apprentice,' with Hawass replacing Trump.

Dr Hawass has made great strides in Egyptian archeology - the positive identifications of Hatshepsut and Akhenaten, and the pyramid of Djedefre are outstanding, there is no doubt. But his programs profiling these discoveries were superior in every way to this travesty. It makes me sad to see that he has consented to participate in it. I wonder what were the incentives that persuaded him?

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He's become a Media whore, I never had respect for him.

"SLaughter is the best medicine"

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Uhh...what makes you think he's a nice guy in person? Every Archaeologist I've met that's dealt with him has said he's an even bigger ass in person than on TV.

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He seems to forget that science doesn't mean the ultimate truth. And that scientists can (and must) disagree. For him there is only one truth, and that is his. (Though his truth changes depending on what suits him the most.) He paralyzes Egyptology. So what if an Egyptologist has a different view. It has always been like that in science.

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He paralyzes Egyptology.


How? What vision do you have for the field of Egyptology that Dr Hawass stands in the way of?

What different views do you feel he has unjustly suppressed? Anything specific?

Do you have an example of his "truth" arbitrarily changing to suit himself?

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For example Joan Fletcher and her views:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joann_Fletcher
and Robert Bauval:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauval
and the black Egyptians theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy

I'm sure the wikipedia links will be a good starting point for further reading.

Regardless of what you think who is right, opposing views should be allowed.

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The situation with Joann Fletcher was handled badly, I will agree; it looks like a matter of professional jealousy. Dr Hawass is not without his flaws, but it's a pretty far cry to suggest that he's "paralyzing Egyptology."

Regarding your latter two citations, Egyptology is not served by catering to pseudoscience, namely ancient alien astronaut theory and Afrocentrism.

You're not one of those who thinks creationism deserves equal time with evolution in schools, are you?

Regardless of what you think who is right, opposing views should be allowed.

You haven't demonstrated that Dr Hawass restricted anything. He banned Joann Fletcher from working in Egypt, but that doesn't prevent her from thinking what she thinks and expressing her views. Nor has Hawass restricted anything pertaining to Bauval or Afrocentrism. He has made statements that he considers them to be pseudoscience (I do as well, and I was neither aware of Hawass's opinion on the matter, nor did I need to be). Proponents of those theories are still at liberty to believe and propagate them. Bauval still makes a killing selling books; my eyes do not weep for him. Afrocentrists do not receive anywhere near the amount of scorn they deserve.

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Direct quote from StarFuryG7:

"I haven't looked into his anti-Semitic views until now though, and for all I know you're Jewish..."

Sick. Just sick.

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Ironwolf and Wigmspeedy: A check of StarFury's edit history shows he is a HUGE apologist for at least one rabid anti-Semite: Mel Gibson. He's also filled several IMDB boards (and boards throughout the web) with shabby defenses of racism, misogyny, and anti-Semitism. Also, according to his postings on a conservative website, StarFury is a "birther," a member of that racist cult that believes Barack Obama is actually a Kenyan Muslim.

So don't bother responding to his trolling. He's a sick, sick loon.

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Alatz27, your nothing but a message board bully. Why don't you let people make their own opinions about Starfury. A review of your message board history reveals that you have nothing interesting, funny, or positive to say about anything. The posts that I reviewed showed that your messages typically consisted of a few words that barely made a sentence. I could not find a single meaningful contribution to the conversation in any of your posts. The only thing you have been partly thorough about is discrediting Starfury. Its astonishing to me how far out of your way you went to character assassinate him. (Every thread that Starfury posts in, Alatz replies calling Starfury an anti-semite, a misogynist, and a "birther"). You call Starfury a misogynist, yet in your post history you are quoted in the Mel Gibson forum, under the thread title "I'll tell you What Women Want," as saying "A baseball bat to the head!" Thats real mature buddy. Not only are you not funny, but your also a hypocrite.

I also reviewed Starfury's message history. He posts in threads with the intention of contributing to the conversation. I'm not saying everything he said was right, but at least he takes the time to structure his opinions and arguments. To be honest Alatz, I don't know why I'm messaging you. I have just now realized that your not a person worth talking to. I have no doubt that you are a bitter and ignorant person. I'm not going to waste any more time writing about this nonsense, but I do wish you would stop harassing honest contributors. Let people make their own opinion about Starfury.

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mm:

Keen grasp of irony you have there, son.

Going by your message board history, I'll try to phrase this in an ideal way for you to grasp:

LITERALLY: You're a bitter, humorless moron.






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The overview is so broad that there's really no archaeology in it. I'm interested in findings, not in antics.

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