Diaz
Unless a scene was cut, is it possible that he survived? We never saw him die and this is a film after all.
shareThe whole idea of Diaz giving up, especially after all he and the group had been through, really bothered me; it's just not realistic, imo. Every human being, in that exact same situation, would be overcome with the primordial instinct to survive. It's been about 2 to 3 years since I last watched this movie, and, as I recall, he initially hurt his left knee really badly after falling from the tree and then, because he twisted his left ankle on the rocks by the river, he just suddenly decided he didn't have the will to continue and succumbed to death. I'm not disputing the severity of his injuries, and nor am I underestimating the extremely serious situation they were in -- which said injuries greatly compounded -- but I didn't buy it; I didn't think it really worked, in spite of it being unexpected, abrupt and quite an innovative sequence, and found it unconvincing.
Anyone with me on what I've said here?
What bothered me most was that Ottway and Hendricks easily gave in to Diaz's request and left him behind to die, knowing full well that his death would not be peaceful as he sat and took in the magnificent view, but that he would be ripped and torn to shreds by the monster wolves. In fact, the movie suggests just that when we hear a wolf growling off camera just before it cuts to the next scene. It wasn't just that Diaz gave up on himself but that Ottway and Hendricks did as well. I found it disgusting.
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He gave up because he had nothing left to go back to anyway. If you guys paid attention you would understand that.
shareAnd that's supposed to justify what they did? Wow!
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They didn't "do" anything. Diaz made his choice, he was a grown man. What do you expect them to have done, physically dragged him with them? Your viewpoint is retarded.
shareWhat do you mean they didn't "do" anything? They left him behind to be ripped to shreds by monster wolves. It doesn't matter what Diaz wanted, you don't leave someone to that fate. If he refuses to move, then you stay with him until he dies. That's the least you can do. There is no justification for what they did.
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So you're saying they should have stayed behind with him to get ripped to shreds by wolves as well? They did try to convince him to keep going and he refused. So let me ask you again, how did you expect them to force him to keep going? Knock him unconscious and carry his limp body? You're a dolt.
shareWho's to say that would have happened? If you had payed attention, you would have noticed that the wolves waited for Ottway and Hendrick to leave before they approached Diaz. So if they had stayed, the wolves would have held back. Strength in numbers. Throughout the movie the wolves were attacking individuals. Even when there was a whole pack of them at the earlier campfire scene (including the alpha), they easily were held off by the men with fire and nasty looks.
Yeah, they tried to convince him for about thirty seconds. Wow. We're talking about the man's life and death - probably a horrible one, being ripped to shreds by monster wolves.
I didn't say that they had to force him to come along with them or carry his limp body. I said that they could have stayed with him until he died. I like your train of logic there. Bit of a straw man.
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But who knows how long it would take for Diaz to die...it could take as little as an hour or a couple days...thats too long to hang around when youre on the clock. Maybe they could have killed him themselves to quicken things but im not really against them leaving him in this particular situation.
Sorry Brother.
My point being that the other option is to leave him to the wolves, to be torn to shreds by them and suffer a horrible, painful death. That's not a defensible decision, in my opinion. I honestly don't see how anyone could think differently. It disgusts me to think that you and others would so easily have left someone behind to that fate.
His quick death was guaranteed if they left him behind. The wolves would get him. Considering everything that had happened up until that point, both Ottway and Hendrick MUST have known this. In fact, the movie literally tells you what's going to happen to the poor guy when the camera is zooming in on Diaz from behind and we hear wolves growling.
And what exactly were they on the clock for? They had no idea where they were, where help could possibly be, if they were heading in the right direction or not, or anything. They were totally and completely flying blind. I guess that the "clock" you were referring to was the run time of the movie?
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Don't bother arguing with E_Jaculus about this, his opinions are moronic and he's sticking to them.
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I think you're right.🐭
shareYeah, they tried to convince him for about thirty seconds.It was actually more like about 2 minutes screen time. One can only surmise how much extra time and discussion you required to satisfy your needs.
I said that they could have stayed with him until he died.I like your train of logic there.LOL! And I love your train wreck of logic on that one.🐭 share
They could have tried for two hours to convince him, it wouldn't have made a difference for me. My argument has always been that leaving him to be ripped to shreds by the wolves and die in unspeakable agony and pain (a fate that they must have been fully aware would occur) is an indefensible decision.
What happened throughout the movie is the basis for my "train wreck of logic". The wolves only attacked individuals and waited for Ottway and Hendrick to leave before approaching Diaz. That right there validates my argument. So I guess you are tacitly admitting that The Grey is a train wreck. That works for me.
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The wolves only attacked individuals ...Actually no! We see in the beginning the wolf Ottway shoots, apparently attacking 2 or 3 "unsuspecting" workers in broad daylight, which in itself, is just ridiculous.
I have a number of issues with this film centring on the behaviour and size of the wolves, Ottway's survival advice, not to mention his flippant dismissal of any thought of a search for the downed jet. But Diaz was certainly not intending, nor expecting, the other two, to hang around for him, after he had taken a personal choice to not carry on. He knew what the outcome would be for himself.🐭 share
The wolves stalking them after the crash never attacked more than one person.
You can't seem to grasp my position. It's that the decision by both Ottway and Hendrick to leave Diaz to be ripped to shreds by those wolves and suffer an unspeakably horrible and painful death is an indefensible decision. It has nothing to do with what Diaz wanted or expected or whether he knew what was going to happen or not (no one brought it up ). It's simple, really. You don't leave a fellow human being to suffer that fate, EVER!!!! It amazes and disgusts me that so many don't have a problem with what they did and instead find the whole scene beautiful. WOW!
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You can't seem to grasp my position.Yes, I can, as can every other poster on this thread. The trouble is your position is untenable as I and every one else has made clear to you. Deal with it and stop your whining!🐭 share
I'm sure you grasp it now that I've clarified it for you. Before? No.
My position has held up just fine. No problems. You believing that you actually presented a valid opposition, then imagining me whining, proves that. I've defended my position easily time and time again. And the vast majority of those who oppose me end up acting like little butt hurts, you included. You just can't accept how repugnant their decision to leave Diaz to that horrible fate was. Probably because you too thought the entire scene, along with Diaz's "sacrifice", was beautiful. It wasn't. It was disgusting. THAT'S something you'll have to deal with.
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No doubt about it. The seeker is spot on in his conclusion. Whatever it is that is eating you, it must be suffering horribly 🐭
shareI find it interesting how people like you and seeker give up and start attacking me personally AFTER I bring up how disgusted I was by how the scene played out and the fact that people found it all to be beautiful.
I have a big problem leaving a fellow human being behind alone to suffer a horrible and painful death, being ripped to shreds by monster wolves. I'd rather suffer that fate along with him, if that's what it came to, than walk away. I'd rather he died as peacefully and painlessly as possible, in the company of companions. I'd feel honor bound as a human being to do that. So yeah, I MUST be the one with issues.
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I love the way pompous upstarts such as yourself can start labelling gentle rats such as myself "butthurts" and then whine about being attacked personally.
AFTER I bring up how disgusted I was by how the scene played out and the fact that people found it all to be beautiful.You continue to repeat this claim ad nauseum! And the kicker here is that not 1 poster on this thread, including of course me, has said that. You've just conveniently presumed it, included it yourself and now continue to parrot it off emotively, as if you were expecting a pat on the head and some sort of humanitarian award.
So yeah, I MUST be the one with issues.That's about the first thing you've got right.🐭 share
Gotta call a spade a spade. If the shoe fits, wear it. Yadda yadda. He who imagineth whining displayeth his butthurt.
No presumption. No whining. Just pointing out the fact that you, seeker, and others interestingly gave up and started in with personal attacks right AFTER I stated just how disgusted it all makes me feel. Do you and others think that the whole scene was beautiful? Why would I care? My position would remain the same, regardless. And even if I did care, believe me, there's plenty of evidence to back up the contention that you and others DID find that scene and how it played out to have been beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnN3eVMWgA
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You must be the biggest idiot on here.
shareIt's called respecting someone's final wishes. He knew what the consequence would be and he made a decision. He was a grown ass man and his life or death is his own decision.
You claim they could have stayed with him but to what end? They had nothing to defend themselves with or even to scare them off when they came.
Your other assertation was that the wolves would wait until they left to kill Diaz which is not only unfounded but they attacked the two remaining survivors when they were walking along the river bank.
I don't recall Diaz wishing to die by being ripped apart by wolves.
What was discussed between the three of them concerning the obvious fact that Diaz was going to die a gruesome death, being torn to shreds by the wolves?
The movie established that the wolves only ever attacked individuals. Never did they take on the group. So they could have safely stayed with Diaz until he died. And there was nothing preventing them from starting a fire and wielding torches, like they had done earlier. And if they didn't have anything to defend themselves with, where did that knife and the mini liquor bottles come from that Ottway used later?
It was no assertion. It's what happened. The wolves waited until Ottway and Hendrick left before they approached Diaz. They were obviously there, so why didn't they attack while all three were standing out in the open? Perfect targets, right? And they didn't attack at the stream. Two wolves rushed them, forcing Hendrick into the water. Once that happened they disappeared. It's not like Ottway and Hendrick floated ten miles downstream and got away. So if their intent was to attack, why didn't they do so when Ottway was blubbering for help from a God that he doesn't believe exists?
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