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I used to be a fan, but The Chive BS was the last straw....


This season has been an absolute *beep* Getting rid of their two most interesting supporting characters and replacing them with a creepy PI was not a smart move. The writing has been uncharacteristically weak (I'm a writer, please call me TNT, I can do better).

But when the show tries to boost ratings by cross-promoting with that site for douchebags known as The Chive, well, that does it for me. I hope that Mark-Paul and Breckin aren't really fans of those pretentious Chive a-holes and that they just did what they had to in order to save their show.

Ex-Fan of F&B,
JP

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You mean the site that promotes acts of kindness and raises money for charities? Well I guess I'm a douche too then.

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Well then yes, you are. If you think for one second that these charities for disabled veterans or handicapped children are selfless acts of kindness, then you are a fool. The truth is that for each dollar that goes to the chive, 3 cents falls out for charities, and even those charities are meant to bring about brand awareness and promotion. For heaven's sake, they make their own beer which actually, not metaphorically, tastes like vomit. Their t-shirts "sell out" within seconds because of purposeful under-stocking to represent popularity. They "promote" kindness but letting people submit random acts of what they've done, and in the next post they tease people who are different and label them as "virgins". The site is a piece of crap that has frat boys and people who want to fit in fooled. End of story.

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My, aren't we feeling a little bit *beep* today.

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I think it's obvious that the whole Chive nonsense was essentially product placement advertising and not an attempt to boost ratings.

You can tell this show had its budget slashed because of the casting changes. They take the investigator role and the comedic, quirky associate role and combine them into one character. They had Karp flip firms back and forth to avoid having a recurring for an antagonist lawyer. They replaced Heather Locklear's regular role for Toni Trucks, whom I'm sure earns a much smaller paycheck. Swatello is mentioned in every episode, but only appears in about half of them.

I'm thinking their financial struggles are a metaphor for the show's real life budget. Kind of like with Arrested Development where Fox kept trimming the number of episodes, and on the show the company kept losing houses.

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You can tell this show had its budget slashed because of the casting changes.

Well, I do not necessarily know if the budget was slashed, or if that was the original plan, if the show kept getting renewed. I am surprised any show can/could afford Heather Locklear, (since she has been working for so long).
The relevant facts go something like this:

1) TV show audiences are much more spread out over hundreds of cable and satellite service channels, plus the streaming and view on demand from the internet, and even the over-the-air broadcast channels.
2) With less eyes viewing any program material, revenues are relatively lower for all/any of the shows.
3) Many newer TV series use what the professional sports had started calling platooning, where the 'players' are regularly swapped out. This lowers the payroll cost for the talent by saving the marquee talent (you know, the ones that get people to buy those expensive tickets?). If the show is a hit, "the other guys" will clone it, so viewership will fall. Even if it doesn't get cloned, interest in shows seldom rises with age...

The worst case? Maybe that is the (few remaining) soap operas, with the occasional "The part of fill-in-the-character will be played by fill-in-the-unknown in today's episode." Next to that is the case where significant characters routinely get killed off, (not just the 'red-shirts' like in the original Star Trek series).
Just to toss out a few, LOST, PERSON OF INTEREST, THE 100, THE WALKING DEAD, GAME OF THRONES, GREY'S ANATOMY, NCIS(?), with each of them having 3 or more seasons.
Of course the "game shows" objective is to reduce the cast to the 'last one standing' (winner), then start the next season with an all new set of competitors. Those would be shows like AMERICAN IDOL, IRON CHEFS, and any with voting people off the show.

The more 'expensive actors' a show starts with, the more likely the show will fail to get renewed, (didn't live up to expectations), or characters will 'exit' the show, one way or another.


I do not remember exactly why, but I looked up THE CAPTAIN AND TENNILLE the other day, and found out their weekly variety show had 30 million viewers. Yes, 30 million. They, like SONNY AND CHER, were singers originally. What studio executive wouldn't froth at the mouth to get viewership numbers like that?
FYI, I do remember now...
They were getting divorced after a decades-long marriage. In an interview, Toni said "The Captain" was never very affectionate with her, (touching, (he did not like being touched), eye contact, PDA, the works). It sounded much more like a marriage of convenience, especially when she said their accountant told them they could save a lot of money on taxes if they were married... guess what happened next?

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I do not remember exactly why, but I looked up THE CAPTAIN AND TENNILLE the other day, and found out their weekly variety show had 30 million viewers.


There was also only 3 channels back then, so that had more to do with the large viewership than anything. You mention "TV show audiences are much more spread out over hundreds of cable and satellite service channels", so you know why it's different now. So I'm not really sure what the point was of telling us C&T's viewership numbers.

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That was such a small part of the episode. Literally mentioned twice, at the beginning and the end. It wasn't like the entire episode revolved around the site or something.

I was born for politics: I have great hair and I love lying.

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I hear there was more chive crap in tonight's episode as well....pathetic.

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I never heard of The Chive before; I was thinking it was a humor website like The Onion (a chive is an extremely small onion--smaller than a scallion, a shallot, and a leek!).

Boo Hoo! Let me wipe away the tears with my PLASTIC hand!--Lindsey McDonald (Angel)

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I didn't know that it was real either.

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I didn't know it was real either. Thought it was some made up hipster magazine or something.

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It Real and it's spectacular.











Take your pinche color-coordinated sponsored chingada and take a flying fck

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A chive is not an onion. both are members of The Amaryllidaceae. (amaryllids) are a family of herbaceous, mainly perennial and bulbous (rarely rhizomatous) flowering plants included in the monocot order Asparagales. The family takes its name from the genus Amaryllis, hence the common name of the amaryllis family. The leaves are usually linear, the flowers usually bisexual and symmetrical, arranged in umbels on the stem. The petals and sepals are undifferentiated as tepals, which may be fused at the base into a floral tube. Some also display a corona. Allyl sulfide compounds produce the characteristic odour of the onion subfamily (Allioideae). Please don't try to sound smart when you can not even bother to look it up on the internet to know if you even know what you're talking about.
It just makes you look foolish since anyone can do a search, cut and paste such basic information and prove you made an error. And if you have a smartypants response don't even bother because I don't care and it will show me I made you upset which wouldn't give you much satisfaction.

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Is this your big soapbox moment?

Let it be known that on Monday, October 12th, 2015 you made a difference!


It just makes you look foolish since anyone can do a search...


A rant about onions makes you look like someone that has lots of friends. 

And if you have a smartypants response don't even bother because I don't care and it will show me I made you upset which wouldn't give you much satisfaction.


Right back at you. 

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I hear there was more chive crap in tonight's episode as well....pathetic.
And again, it was at the very end of the episode and set up a very small possibility that Peter/Jared would either leave L.A. or not be law partners anymore. It wasn't like it was the entire storyline.

It's a little pathetic to get so upset about it being mentioned.

I was born for politics: I have great hair and I love lying.

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I don't know about the chive and don't care to know. I've enjoyed this season as I have the others. As long as Franklin & Bash are the main characters they can change all the others and I'd still watch. For me it's the crazy situations and ways to argue that hook me in, and that didn't change at all this season. If anything this was a huge improvement over last season.

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Things done for charity by the Chive > things done for charity by videowhiz. Douchbags 1- whiney complaining guy 0

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The writing has been uncharacteristically weak (I'm a writer, please call me TNT, I can do better).


Every writer thinks that. Congrats on being nothing special.

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