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Bob isn't a sociopath, you simple-minded idiots.

posted 9 years ago by giygas-12533
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Bob is not a psychopath, nor a sociopath. He killed that actual sociopath Eric Deeds because he deserved to die. Before killing him, he offered him a way out so he wouldn't have to.

Bob is a good person. Eric Deeds was a bad one.

Bob displays:
affection for Nadia; a desire to protect her
affection for the dog; a desire to protect it
affection for his cousin, Marv, even though he knows he isn't necessarily a great person (displaying forgiveness as well as loyalty to family)
Loneliness and a desire to be free of it
Guilt over the first life he took. This is important, because he honestly explains to Eric that Richie Wheelin (sp?) didn't deserve to die. He was involved in a mafia lifestyle at that time and was younger. He realizes now in his older age and at this different time in his life that it was wrong. He doesn't engage in communion at church, a sign of his guilt (he doesn't feel he deserves God's blessing.)

Many of you seem confused as to what a sociopath actually is. A genuine sociopath is someone who does not feel any emotions. I have personally known a real sociopath and can attest to this from experience in addition to knowledge regarding psychology. Sociopaths feel no real emotions and so everything they project is fake- they use normal people's emotions against them to manipulate them. They have what is known as "the gift of the gab", meaning they can spin a beautiful web of words to make people think whatever they want them too. They may act like a friend to someone's face and then actively attempt to sabotage them behind their backs. They will say and do absolutely anything to get what they want, and at the end of the day they only truly care about themselves. A murderer is not automatically a sociopath simply because he is willing to take another person's life. I'm sorry to the PC do-gooder idiots out there who's bubble this might burst, but it's not. I guess that's why none of you seem to get it- you're all so caught up in that politically correct nonsense that you do not see the truth.
Bob feels and displays a wide range of emotions in the film. He knows the first time he killed it was not morally right, and has felt immense guilt for years because of it.. The second time he kills it is justified, and the guy completely deserved it. I'm sorry to anyone that offends, but it was.
Having been personally victimized in the past by an actual sociopath, I can say with 100% certainty that Bob is not one.
Also, just for your consideration, the Law and actual morality are very rarely one and the same thing, and only an idiot thinks otherwise.

[–] grifftrain2000 9 years ago

Way to spoil it

[–] hermitgrrl 9 years ago

Completely agree with your analysis of Bob and sociopaths. In addition, Bob is neither autistic or mentally challenged. He keeps his head down and goes about his routine, following his personal code while observing and thinking a great deal about other people's behavior and motivations. The detective's assessment, "They never see you coming, do they, Bob?" is dead on.

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[–] heatvision38 9 years ago

Agreed. Although I wouldn't say a sociopath doesn't feel emotions; he just doesn't have empathy.

[–] JayCeezy 9 years ago

Really liked your post, thank you.

Bob is in a great deal of pain. Church every weekday at 8am? That is a soul in need. What appeared to be a throwaway line from Marv really stuck with me. "It's a dog. It's not like a retarded cousin shows up on your doorstep in a wheelchair with a colostomy bag and you have to take care of them for the rest of your life." (or something like that). I think that was Bob, who moved with a shuffle. Bob also doesn't have any physical fear of Eric Deeds, and he wraps up that arm "like he's done it 1,000 times" because Bob has a colostomy bag and deals with grotesque physical things others can't imagine. That's also why Bob wasn't freaked out by the dog's wound, and by Nadia's scar; Bob respected Nadia's privacy because he understands what a wound/scar like that means to a person.

This also explains why Bob didn't have a girlfriend (the guys at the bar, "hey, Bob's got a girl?") or display any normal guy's desire for Nadia. "I'm not the one who waited around his whole life for it to start!" says Marv, with more than a little spite. Bob really can't be intimate with anyone, let alone a woman. Bob has more than one secret, and there are several reasons for Bob's loneliness. I really loved the ending. The short-story upon which the movie is based is called "Animal Rescue" and it fits well.

[–] olliemankz 9 years ago

Now, wait a minute, JayCeezy. You're saying that Bob has a colostomy bag? Was that in the short story?

[–] krh_1234 8 years ago

Of course! Now that you mention it I don't recall Bob ever using the bathroom. Must have a colostomy bag, that's the obvious conclusion to be drawn there.

[–] PattyGJones 8 years ago

Anybody who takes Marv's hypothetical remark to mean Bob has a colostomy bag is seriously delusional or plain dumb. There is absolutely nothing in this film (including the way Bob walks) to suggest Marv's comment was anything more than his bitter, cynical, non-caring self shining through. If there's any sociopath in this film, it's Marv.

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[–] JayCeezy 8 years ago

Yes, yes, I see by this post and your others, that everyone is an idiot...except you.

You assert your opinion as if it should be respected, but don't provide reasoning, alternatives, explanations, your own reasons for self-entitlement and why we should all take your words as anything more than the blatherings of a bitter old bag who doesn't understand why the world and life passed her by without a second look, or thought. Best of luck in your remaining years.

[–] PattyGJones 8 years ago

You know nothing about my life except that I'm old. I have every right to express my opinions without an in-depth explanation of my conclusions. As for "life pass[ing me] by without a second look", I can guarantee that very few here have led the life I have. BTW, since when is expressing an opinion "self-entitlement"? You need to learn some respect for experience.

BTW, do you wear a colostomy bag? Do you know anyone who does? I've known two, and neither of them walked in a peculiar way (which I don't see Bob doing anyway).

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[–] JayCeezy 8 years ago

Anybody who takes Marv's hypothetical remark to mean Bob has a colostomy bag is seriously delusional or plain dumb.

I know you're a mean, judgmental know-it-all, who feels entitled to express her opinion without any backup (nobody said you didn't have 'the right' to express it, but I am saying you don't have the right to have it 'respected' when you provide no reasoning behind it). You come on here with a suckerpunch, instead of a disagreement (and reason for doing so, unlike my post which provided a reasoning) and are now playing 'the victim'? That probably worked very well for you all your life, at least it was the best-of-available strategies for you.

P.S. - I do know someone who wears a bag, they don't shuffle. The 'shuffle' I noted earlier would be related to the wheelchair Marv referenced. And the actor is Tom Hardy, who even when mumbling and slouching is still the best looking man in that bar; nothing like the doughy, hairy, overweight lump described in the short story.

Anyway, have fun introducing yourself to conversations by accusing others of being delusional and dumb. It must make you feel good, looking down on others at the start of the conversation.

[–] PattyGJones 8 years ago

As I said, everybody has a right to his/her own opinion. Whether you respect me or my opinions matters less than zero. And how, exactly, am I making myself a "victim"?

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[–] JayCeezy 8 years ago

You are repeating yourself, who are you arguing with? Nobody said you didn't have a right to opinion. Just don't come on here with firecrackers shooting out of your @$$ and act baffled (playing the 'girl' card) when your moods and feelings aren't accepted like it is at home with your cats.

[–] PattyGJones 8 years ago

Ah, so you're a woman-hater. Now your hostility makes a tiny bit of sense. Did you write the same nasty posts to the OP? No. But fear not, you won't hear from me again. You go on the ignore list. Perhaps you should do the same, since my posting seems to enflame you out of all proportion. I see that you answered my last post on this topic, though I didn't read it. (If it's as insulting as your others, why would I want to?)

I read back through the thread before "ignoring" you, and find it interesting that you said "thank you" to the OP, who called everyone on the thread "simple-minded idiots". Posters Reallusion1, CheezeBaalz and Gabe1972 made the point that the OP's opening line was offensive. Yet you take offense that I say "delusional or plain dumb". I also note that it was you who brought up the ILlusional issue of a colostomy bag, said in passing by nasty Marv but appropriately ignored by everybody else on the board except to say "Whaaa...?" to your mention of it. And I'm still clueless about how you see me playing the "girl card", whatever that means in this context. So maybe your issue with me is about gender.

I come on these message boards to express opinions or ask questions, not to pick fights with people. But I don't let insults pass without an answer. You mention "all [my] posts" being self-righteous in some way, which could only mean that you have looked up my history and read them all. I suppose I would be flattered at your keen interest if you were not so totally out of line.

I'm sure you'll have something insulting to say about this edit. I won't read it, but do please have a good time attacking me. You seem to enjoy doing that more than discussing the film (which, by some miracle, we can both agree was brilliant)

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[–] JayCeezy 8 years ago

Far from a woman-hater, but I do have great disdain for those who play the 'card' when reason has failed them. Here is my first sentence to OP, fyi...

Really liked your post, thank you.

Interesting too, like any bully, you get called on your own behavior and when someone stands up to you, you head for deep water while claiming you are the one who has been victimized. Something tells me this has been a lifelong pattern for you.

[–] heddlu 7 years ago

i do think you have way over analysed this both in terms of the colostomy bag bit (and btw its a work of fiction you know - the only person who knows if its 'true' is the author. And though yes the person did classify your comment as dumb, really your comments in return are seriously OTT esp the enjoy your remaining years bit which frankly is just cruel, hurtful and as you Yanks would say, mean.

[–] JayCeezy 7 years ago

You think that?

Watch me not care!

[–] heddlu 7 years ago

down to you, though I would not construct a life story or world view of you from your comments. Thats the problem with the internet, disagreements in this format have a habit of escalating in a way that they dont down the pub

[–] IcySpoon 8 years ago

Actually, you're the one who went bat-sh-t crazy-not the other poster.. Take a deep breath tiger...

"Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it." Norman Maclean

[–] TamPalm 9 years ago

 Great post OP.

"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." -- Judge Judy

[–] giygas-12533 9 years ago

Thanks.

[–] Reallusion1 9 years ago

Can't get your point across without being rude, condescending, and insulting? Then you calling others idiot is irony.

[–] nick_reynolds2011 9 years ago

Bob was probably one of my favorite characters in a film, ever. Great, GREAT character. Very unique character, too.