Who enjoyed this film?


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I loved this film. Great costumes, great cinematography, great actors, and great intrigue. Mélanie did her role so well, I thought she was from the 16th Century. Though 'Guise' seemed to be over-the-top, I suppose he was a cad and Gaspard tried his best to portray that. The battle scenes were not overdone, but realistically shot. The Court intrigue was interesting too; as well, the 'women as property' undercurrent presented without slapping you in face with it; it made you understand the times.
Here's a strange observation, when the Princess was being prepared for her wedding night, there's a quick shot of frontal nudity and she has no pubic hair. That is soooo 21st Century. But I am aware of the merkin (spelling?) use of those times, and wouldn't she be 'wearing' one. You see, those two things contradict each other.

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when the Princess was being prepared for her wedding night, there's a quick shot of frontal nudity and she has no pubic hair. That is soooo 21st Century

That would be my gut reaction as well, but it may not be as anachronistic as we think. Some medieval knights kept a token of their lady's pubic hair with them (no joke, I don't mean a lock of their head hair), some women definitely removed unwanted facial hair around this time, and paintings of naked women showed them both with and without pubic hair (depending on the aesthetic and religious sensibilities of the artist and the environment in which he worked.) None of this proves that any women were into pubic depilation back then, but those are the reasons I'd cite for assuming the scene might be less anachronistic than we suppose.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your comments!

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I am glad I saw this film on the big screen. It is sumptuous--costumes, sets, landscapes.

I appreciate the portrait of the narrow choices a woman had at that time and the painful variations that being young, beautiful, and smart gave a woman.

The theme of males dominated by their competitive, combative urges is strong, but the character of Chabannes gives it a bet of a check.

A complaint I have is that the plot involving Marie and her supposed liaisons with other men and Philippe's jealousy is somewhat tiresome and repetitive.

However, and maybe because of this, I find the ending entirely warranted and satisfying.

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Oneseat, I agree with you that the ending was a fitting one.

As to the original question from the original poster, I enjoyed the film very much, and so did my companion. We love period romance films with history (both of us have degrees in history), and this film was exactly what we look for when we want to see a movie.

All the actors were superb, but especially Lambert Wilson as the Comte de Chabannes. His character made the film for me....with his age and wisdom, he could see the future for Marie if she did not learn to check her emotions and impulses, her naivete, etc.

One poster was curious as to why the Comte de Chabannes would help Marie meet secretly with Henri. I think he knew that she would never care for him, an older man, and so, he tried to help her meet with the man she truly loved as a sign of his devotion to her, even though he knew the result could be disastrous for her.

I also think it didn't matter to him when her husband banished him from their castle. He couldn't have stayed around to watch her with the other men in her life; to do so would have been miserable for him since he was in love with her....but that's just my idea; perhaps someone else thinks differently.

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My interpretation was that Chabannes' attitude to Philippe changed when he witnessed Philippe beating up Marie, when he discovered her attempting to rendez-vous with de Guise.

Perhaps he wanted to help Marie, to atone for the violence he committed against the woman, in the beginning of the film. (Of course, his rescue of the pregnant woman at the end of the film has terrible consequences for him.)

Also Chabannes was the only one who actually loved Marie unselfishly.

An enjoyable film and one to watch with La Reine Margot.


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"Also Chabannes was the only one who actually loved Marie unselfishly."

I didn't like Chabannes' attitude to declare his love to her. For me, it sounded stupid and his silence would have been deeper and more interesting. Instead of that, for me, the supposed wisdom of this character totally disappeared the moment he behaved like a stupid teen telling her he was in love.

The other one loving her unselfishly is Anjou. He could have had her, he could have blackmailed her once he had discovered she had a lover. But no, he warned her and seeing that her heart would never belong to him, he left. He saved her honor and left her to her husband on the way to wisdom and duty (and from the beginning, he is the only one showing and knowing what duty is)

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Loved the film and Lambert Wilson was absolutely riveting as Chabannes. What a wonderful face he has. I remember being so impressed by him in my favourite film of last year, "Of Gods and Men", so it was a great pleasure to see him again in something entirely different.

I thought her husband redeemed himself at the end. I mean, he was madly jealous, but in the end he forgave her infidelity and begged her to stay with him. He did behave violently, but I thought he had come to love her deeply. When they were naked in bed together, they both looked contented and it was as if she had come to love him, too. I did find it a bit unlikely that Chabannes would have been able to just walk in on them in bed - they behaved like that was completely unremarkable. Would it have been at that period? I have my doubts.

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Does anyone think Marie ever loved the prince? I think Marie should've listed to Chabannes's predictions and stayed with her husband. What a sad story. :(

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I thought her husband redeemed himself at the end. I mean, he was madly jealous, but in the end he forgave her infidelity and begged her to stay with him. He did behave violently, but I thought he had come to love her deeply. When they were naked in bed together, they both looked contented and it was as if she had come to love him, too. I did find it a bit unlikely that Chabannes would have been able to just walk in on them in bed - they behaved like that was completely unremarkable. Would it have been at that period? I have my doubts.

I share your feeling about Philippe de Montpensier (maybe the only character I really appreciated in the movie). And I had the same thoughts about that naked scene! I thought François de Chabannes would turn away and/or leave the room in seeing her naked, or that she would hastily cover up... None of it happened, she even went out of the bed naked!

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wiccaone wrote:

My interpretation was that Chabannes' attitude to Philippe changed when he witnessed Philippe beating up Marie, when he discovered her attempting to rendez-vous with de Guise.

I don't agree with this explanation... I don't condone violence in any way, but Philippe de Montpensier was the best possible husband, considering the time and circumstances... I mean, she was a young married woman caught almost in flagranti with her lover, in no better place and time than a glamorous ball at the gossipy French court! I think any other scorned husband of the time would have savagely beaten her, maybe raped her, forced her off to a convent for some time, or even have her killed! His feeble attempts to "beat" his wife (he swings his fist only twice and is easily stopped by François de Chabannes) were the least he could do after such an outrageous public dishonor.

wiccaone wrote:
Also Chabannes was the only one who actually loved Marie unselfishly.

I think Henri de Guise passionately loved her. But the truth was the she was never going to be his wife as he would have wanted. And as for Philippe de Montpensier, I think he loved her in a different manner, he knew she was in love with another man prior to marriage and still tried to make things work for them.

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dbellmyer wrote:

One poster was curious as to why the Comte de Chabannes would help Marie meet secretly with Henri. I think he knew that she would never care for him, an older man, and so, he tried to help her meet with the man she truly loved as a sign of his devotion to her, even though he knew the result could be disastrous for her.


Honestly, I can't find a justification for what he did, which is "treason" to his master, Philippe de Montpensier. I watched the whole scene of Henri de Guise's meeting with Marie de Montpensier almost sure that he would, in the end, give her up and confess the plans to him, but unbelievably, he didn't. That ruined the movie for me, it didn't make sense. Throughout all the picture he is portrayed as a true "chivalric knight", it's totally out of character for him to stage a meeting between the two lovers, and even just stand there and have his old pupil think that he was having an affair with his wife!

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I'm surprised at the lack of message board comments so far.
The boards for foreign language and unusual independent films can be very lonely places! I find it kind of depressing that only films about robots and superheroes have boards that are buzzing.

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I also loved this film and especially appreciate the insightful remarks in this thread.

This probably sounds crazy, but in some ways this film reminded me of Days of Heaven (1978.)
To me, every other scene was a breathtakingly gorgeous set-piece, with sadness tightly woven into the narrative.

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I thought that it was a bit anonymous apart from Judith Chemla.

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The lead character annoyed me no end.

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I didn't like the film. I was really looking forward to it, but ended up being very disappointed. I spent most of my time in the theater trying to figure out what all those men saw in Marie. I thought she was annoying. I wasn't fond of the prince either. I just wanted to reach in and smack him.

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The broad strokes of the film were beautifully accomplished, but I found the intimate story sadly lacking. The desires, jealousies and infatuations of the four principles assumed by the script and the performances rather than earned. The frame was intriguing, the perspective of the portrait forced.

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I totally agree with your comment. I saw it on TV yesterday so I thought maybe some scenes were edited out. Overall the movie had a great feel, interesting story and great acting by the "main" actors - some of the extras in the battle scenes were laughably awful, but most people might not have noticed that so It wasn't a big deal. The costumes were amazing and very time appropriate, the make-up was a little questionable on Marie - for being so pale it seems like she didn't use any pink blush and most French women that married into a good, rich family always made sure to wear very noticeable pink blush on their cheeks - maybe she was an exception? But that aside I was a little bothered by the lack of sex, kissing, and intimacy. This was supposed to be about love lost and the absurdity of falling in love for a woman, but it was all in a conversation, and I love conversations, but they should have shown more intimate interaction between each character. That's what makes period dramas so sexy and absorbing in my opinion.

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I agree the fight scenes were awful! really! very distracting at least for me. The story was ok, but I just don't know why everyone was sooo in love with this girl, yes she was pretty but wasn't a bit too much to have like almost every male character in love with her?? it was an ok movie for me.



and if I should confess my feelings; I love Colin Firth!

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Colin Firth is very cool... And he is getting cooler as he gets older, huh? And quite smart, as well.

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I agree...I hated Marie, she was selfish, fickle, indecisive, and vain. She knows her effect on Chabannes but goes walking around naked in front of him and flirting with the men. She also used him and didn't even try to save him when he got banished by her husband. For the life of me I can't figure out why a man as dignified and intelligent as Chabannes would fall in love with a girl like her...are looks everything? :S

I also hated the Prince and her lover. Ulliel is a great actor and this was such an insignificant role for him...he spends the entire movie trying to get into bed with Marie. I thought Anjou was played very well...and that man makes wearing one earring look sexy! The only character I found interesting was Chabannes, he was the only honest, loyal character and I hate that his life was just a tragedy...no chance for love or redemption.

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I enjoyed it, really, but the only reason I watched the film was Lambert Wilson. Overall, it was good, the acting was good, but the heroine was lacking - unlike some I don't think it was Thierry's acting, but poor writing and a lack of scenes to give us empathy for her.

Chabannes obviously was my favorite and I just knew he was going to go out like that. Poor thing.

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I enjoyed the film. I was sad with the ending, though. I felt the film was telling the story of Marie and Guise's youthful experience with love, and how it's complicated by her arranged marriage. And in the beginning, I saw Marie really tried hard not to succumb to an affair, but then she gave that up because she realized she still loved Guise very much. The only thing I hated, that, in the end, Guise did a total flip. He was all about love towards Marie, and was reckless in his choices all for her sake. He gave up on that marriage opportunity for her, but it did cost him his fortune. I suppose he regretted it because, finally, when Marie came to him at the end asking him to be with her and that she would forsake her marriage bond for him, he gave up on her.

In that moment, I saw that he possibly still loved her, but that now being rich and secure in his future was more important to him. And that's where I felt the worst for Marie. Because just as he tried everything in his power to be with her prior, and then she tried to do the same, he just rejected her. I honestly don't know what Guise was thinking in that final scene ... perhaps that he was choosing money over love, or that he saw his affection for Marie as a madness that made him do reckless and crazy things. I dunno.

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