I liked the movie, other than the usual Hollywood action sequences with dodging a million bullets by just running it's fine, I've also gotten used to the shaky cam.
But what stood out as the dumbest scene in the movie was in the beginning when there was a high speed car chase smashing into cars and wreaking havoc in all of Cape Town, and the bearded assassin thought it would be sensible to fit a silencer to his gun!! WHY? Not to startle the innocent bystanders??
Did you actually see him put it on or was it already on the gun......
But I'M the "Bay Harvard Butcher"!!!
He really was in the car chasing Ryan Reynolds and started screwing the silencer to his gun!!
shareyeah i agree.i was also thinking like wtf,why does he need it now after he fired 1000 rounds already without it?? it was funny
shareAh perhaps so that whoever might be chasing him (like the cops) wouldn't know exactly where the shots were coming from...moron.
I wish people would think before they start complaining about every. little. thing. in. a. movie.
It's a movie folks. Suspend disbelief. Or better yet, become an actor, director, screenwriter, or producer and show us what *you* can do.
I wish people would think before they start complaining about every. little. thing. in. a. movie.
It's a movie folks. Suspend disbelief. Or better yet, become an actor, director, screenwriter, or producer and show us what *you* can do.
I wish people would think before they start complaining about every. little. thing. in. a. movie.
It's a movie folks. Suspend disbelief. Or better yet, become an actor, director, screenwriter, or producer and show us what *you* can do.
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Cici: "Oh, I'm sorry my bad, I thought you were someone else".
Ghost Face: "That's OK, I am"
exactly! Most of these people have never used a silencer on a gun! If you have you would understand why he needed to put it on!
shareI applaud you sir! Those are my exact sentiments
shareTrue but was it for the affect or because it was really loud in there? Someone had to say, "hey it's loud in the car, let's have him screw on the silencer and make it really obvious" or something. Was that necessary to have it viewed on screen for us to see? come on, that was to make him look badass or whatever. Yes, he may have needed it but we did not have to see him doing it.
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Cici: "Oh, I'm sorry my bad, I thought you were someone else".
Ghost Face: "That's OK, I am"
Cause it looks incriminating?... No that's not the right word.. Menacing. It's filler and menacing.
Just like you hear the sound of the shotgun racking a shell into the chamber everytime somebody in Hollywood picks up a gun. Sometimes, you hear that same shotgun shell rack into the chamber 5 times for each time the person raises a weapon, of course we never see them pull the hammer back or rack the slide but once in a great while.
It's always funny to hear that "chick-click" sound if you know much about guns. It's B-roll, they use it for ALL guns in Hollywood I think they have a shotgun one, and a hammer one, and the slide. 3 sounds. And Undoubtably the most often used is the shotgun sound, even on double barrel coach guns lol.
My friend and I simultaneously looked over at each other and just laughed at this part. We definitely noticed it.
shareIt's not as stupid as you think. In the real world, shooting a gun from inside a car makes you deaf for a couple of days.
But since this is never an issue in the movies, I guess a silencer just looks cool :P
He really was in the car chasing Ryan Reynolds and started screwing the silencer to his gun!!
The twisting motion required to fix a silencer to a gun. Otherwise described as 'screwing', not to be confused with the word that can also mean sex.
sharescrewing?? what do you mean "screwing"? lol i get your point, but this sentence doesn't sound right. IMO
The twisting motion required to fix a silencer to a gun. Otherwise described as 'screwing', not to be confused with the word that can also mean sex.
I made the HUGE mistake of sitting too close to the screen on this one. That director really is a hack with that shaky cam. Every fight made me look away from the screen because of the jarring motion.
"Life goes by pretty fast. If you don't stop to look around once in a while, you could miss it."
Never sit too close to the screen.
shareI thought it was some sort of modified barrel. He was putting holes the size of a grapefruit into the car.
For me, the most irritating scene was when Denzel was speaking in a really low hushed tone which made it damn near impossible for em to understand what the hell he was saying.
shareI had the exact same thought on the silencer...what the ....?? And for a movie that seemed to allow for actual damage to the stars I am not big on the rolling automobiles that you unbuckle and run from but that is pretty common so no big deal. Some of it was pretty smart like when he walks him into the Arena I thought well come on we know he is smart and a good fighter you mean that he is going to just simply walk along because there is a gun pointed at him...and low and behold...he did not.
shareyeah I thought it was pretty dumb too... I mean it's not like his henchmen haven't already fired tons of rounds in open view lol
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Ryan escapes from the police at the soccer and even redirects the police along the way only to shout FROST! once he spots him. He had to be at least 100 yards away why the hell did he shout? At this point Frost more than likely assumes that he is captured and is getting away with great ease. Why not just sneak behind him and capture him once more?
Then you'll say well they needed to make it seem like Ryan had flipped. Ok, he sneaks up to Frost pulls out his gun a police officer sees this from a distance and fires his gun at a civilian, Ryan returns fire, Frost briefly escapes and the rest happens as normal, but in a logical way that doesn't make you get pissed off that a CIA agent would shout out someones name while being so far away and having his gun out.
Besides that I enjoyed the movie, thought the first chase scene with frost was a little longer than needed but not irritating.
100% agree with you there mate!
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it makes perfect sense: so he/they don't go deaf from shooting in the car. seriously, it's not dumb. suppressors aren't just so other people don't hear you. dumbest scene was in fact when the cop at the stadium was shooting into the crowd.
shareI agree. Most people have no idea how damaging a gun being fired from inside of a car, with no hearing protection, can be .
shareI'd have to go with the scene where they go to waterboard Frost and Westin murmurs "is this legal?" I don't think he needs to ask, the scene is there simply to show his moral objection to what's happening to Frost, it's not something a person in his position would need or care to ask.
By the way since Frost is an American citizen I'd go with no, not that I would care considering his status as a traitor either way Westin would know that working for CIA.
Yeah screwing a silencer on a pistol after having just had a massive shootout and car chase was kinda silly. It was something I noted but it didn't detract from the movie was more of a "What is that for?" moment and then on with the story
shareFROST! FROST! FROST! - Ryan shouting at the stadium...
That made me to do a very noisy "Urrrhh!" in the cinema...I'm mean, c'moooon!
Sometimes these directors, and actors, just have it in there minds how stuff is supposed to look. Crazy ass 'Weaver' stances, elbows all 'chicken-winged' out when the move with a rifle, or how and when to use a suppressor. This is the old school stuff that they grew up watching, so they think it's correct. Anyone with real modern experience knows they teach stuff totally different, and dynamic now. The 'War on Terror', has really helped us develop a lot of new stuff, that has really filtered down to even your 'basic' war-fighters. It is a shame that most directors won't even try to use any of the realistic gun handling , that the technical advisers they hire show them, in their films. A acquaintance of mine is a technical adviser(NCIS L.A.), and all he does is complain about how they hardly ever take his advise. He was overheard complaining about how much of a tool Chris O'Donnell was, and how he could never make it as a real life Marine. For this, he almost lost his job.
I don't really know what the case is here, but his adviser might have told him about shooting from in cars, and this might be the director's interpretation.
Now let's deal with shooting in a car. Usually when I'm watching a movie or TV show, I often see the hero in a car and he starts shooting through the windshield at a bad guy who is also shooting at him. I have seen this in many movies and TV shows and have been amazed at how clueless the writers and directors seem to be about firearms. Have you ever fired a gun while sitting in a car? Most shooters have not. Some firearms training schools include this in their advanced courses but it is usually reserved for law enforcement and special operations groups.
The first thing to be aware of when shooting from inside of a car is that it is loud, very loud. Don’t ever shoot while inside of a car without ear protection. The sound is so loud that it will probably damage your hearing. At the very least your ears will be ringing for several hours and possibly for a couple of days.
When shooting from inside of a car you will feel the concussion from the shot. This can be disorienting the first couple of times you experience it and will be real hard on any passengers in the car. Suppressors are a great advantage here.
The other thing that you have to watch out for is glass. There are two types of glass in a car. The windshield is a laminated glass design with a very thin film of plastic in the middle. When a bullet goes through the windshield the glass will not shatter and fall all over the place. You may get some very small chunky pieces or some powdered glass falling. The laminate will hold the glass pieces together and there will be a hole with small cracks around it.
Also, when you shoot through the windshield from inside, the bullet deflects depending on the type bullet you are using, whether hollow point, ball ammo, and the caliber of the bullet. The bullet can deflect upwards or downwards 8 to 12 inches by the time it gets to the front of the car. Some types of ammo may not deflect at all. It depends on the angle of the windshield, type of bullet, and how powerful the ammo is. This makes it difficult to hit your target unless the target is right in front of your car. Ball ammo seems to have the least amount of deflection if any.
The side windows are of a different construction. They are tempered glass and will shatter in small chunky pieces when the bullet goes thru. You may be hit by flying glass if you shoot thru them.
Shooting a gun inside a car is not something that should be taken lightly. It looks dramatic in the movies but has serious drawbacks.
You will not always have the luxury to plan for a car shoot out, and you'll just have to roll with it. The only time you should really consider it is in a self-defense situation and should only be done as a last resort. But because shooting a gun while inside of a car is extremely loud and because there may be flying glass or glass powder as a result of shooting through the glass, you should always try to have some ear and eye protection on you when knowingly going in harms way. Even sunglasses and ear buds(communication) are better than nothing.
When the SAS was operating in Ireland, they perfected most of the shooting from inside a car tactics that have been passed down today.
Now if you walk out of your house, and see several fit looking guys sitting in a running car with all of them wearing some type of eye ware, and maybe some ear protection, because they could have suppressors... Good luck!
Nice comment, way to bring some factual info to the discussion.
sharedooly noted. i will think twice next time be4 i shoot from inside of car or if i ever get in a shootout while inside a car, ill know wat 2 do
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I agree, the cop at the stadium firing at Weston in a crowd was purely idiotic.
As for the silencer, it's been mentioned that it would save the hearing of the shooter from the loud noise in the confines of a car cabin, but I thought of something else while watching: When Weston noticed he was being shot at he would usually make himself harder to hit by taking evasive action. I figured that if the one guy had a silencer on his gun then Weston would be less likely to know he was getting shot at(or at least less likely to know exactly where it was coming from) and therefore his evasive action might be less effective. I know that's a bit of a stretch, but it's what I thought of while watching that scene.
I have two scenes in mind:
The policeman shooting into the crowd is too obvious. How about the fact that the soccer game is sold out, thousands of people are milling about and he gets to park right in front of the stadium?
Secondly, how about the fire at the farm house? A character who believes his life is in danger, walks right out into the open for no reason?
Not really irritating but at least odd.
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The stadium scene, there are hundreds of people outside but at one point you can see that the game had already started, what were all these fans still doing outside of the stadium???
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The scene where the safe house in under attack did not make much sense to me.
The moment the alarm went off, all the guys there should start wearing bulletproof vests at least but none of them used one. Also imho they should have been prepared for flash bangs since they are professionals too. And how hard is it to stop 12 people from entering a building all through the same door???
(not an expert on the matter though...)
3) (more like a goof)
The scene where Tobin takes a picture of himself, smiling!
Later when his friend show the finished passport, he is looking very serious and the smile has disappeared...
1) Maybe tailgating? Not really sure, I know it's an American football thing but I don't know if people do that for regular football matches. It also might be just a South African thing. There's also a train station at the stadium.
2) Mostly agree with you on this first point. They were scrambling to get their guns and gear, so they could've put on bulletproof vests as well. On the flip side it's possible that they just didn't have enough time to put them on, or since they were taken by surprise, in the confusion they just didn't put them on.
I may be wrong about this but I don't really think there is a lot you can do to prepare against a flashbang, especially in such tight and enclosed quarters.
Also, they didn't all come through one door. A group came through the back elevator I think. In a situation like that I just think the defenders are at a serious disadvantage. And to make matters worse, the one guy, Velez I think his name was, maybe didn't have a lot of training or experience but he seemed really shaken when the shooting started, and then he didn't listen to the team leader's instructions and got himself and another injured guy taken out.
THIS IS THE ONE I CAME ON HERE LOOKING FOR!!!!
Sold out soccor game in a hundred of thousand seat stadium and the closest parking space to the stadium is WIDE OPEN.
Like the hammer cocking sound, on a hammer-less gun, when a gun points at someones head ?
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I noticed the scene as well, and I just shook my head in confusion.
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