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You need an economics degree to understand this movie.


I thought it would be pretty easy to follow considering critics called it a comedy.

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I hear ya. I saw it in theaters and was overwhelmed. Saw it again at home and could follow it better. Best piece of advice I can give is to pay close attention to when the celebrities that are playing themselves are speaking directly into the camera. Like they say in the film, all the financial terms are confusing on purpose to throw the layman off, to make it so that the financial guys are the only ones that can understand it. If you don't pay attention to that and pay attention to the correct parts, it starts to make sense.
Hope this helps.

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Yes, it is a difficult subject matter.

I read a 500 page book to understand this and only after about 6 books I start to think I am getting the full picture.

Putting it in a 2 hour movie is ambitious.

Also the author of the book Michael Lewis is known to resent financial institutions (He quit his job as a bond salesman to become writers). So you are offered a slightly biased view of what has happened.

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Here are the basics, ready?

Christian Bale plays a socially awkward genius who's great at noticing patterns. That's how he caught the big clue as to the housing bubble. The people he answers to, as well as everyone else didn't exactly trust what he was saying for a couple of reasons. One, because he was different and didn't play the game the way the other big wigs on Wall Street did. Two, because the idea of it collapsing was the same as how people felt about the Titanic sinking: it was IMPOSSIBLE because it's known as the unskinkable ship! All of the news media outlets, traders, and "experts" told everyone that everything was fine. Mostly because they couldn't fathom this happening. "It was impossible".

The problem was...the banks and lenders knew demand was high from WS to buy these loans, but the supply of strong buyers was dwindling. You see, these package deals were supposed to be a majority of SECURED loans, meaning people with a certain good credit history, strong score, a certain income, and a low debt to income ratio. They would throw in a few HIGH risk loans (below min credit score, high debt to income, not a strong candidate)into this giant sack and sell this sack for a huge amount of money to Wall Street. With so many strong loans, the few bad ones were worth it because they were only a few. Well, people only need so many homes, so if the majority of strong buyers already had a home, then these loan packages slowed down, meaning the demand almost came to a halt. There were fewer and fewer STRONG buyers for SECURE loans. Uh oh! This was not good for the banks. So what did they do? They started approving more and more of these HIGH risk loans, grouped them together with other ones, but sold them as the same STRONG SECURE mortgages before, even those these package deals were now considerably MORE high risk loans than secure. WS kept buying them, not realizing that they were risky purchases. (Think back to ENRON lying about their financial statements even though they were traded publicly).

Christian Bale went through the data, like the Good Will Hunting boy he was, and noticed the upswing in loan approvals for high risk people. He knew this meant there was a gigantic chance the housing market was going to crash soon, because there would be more defaults and foreclosures than ever before, even though the "experts" were swearing the market was great. So he took all of his clients' money and created a mutual fund similar to that of betting on the under dog in Vegas. Think 40:1 odds for argument's sake. This is where I'm a little fuzzy, because apparently he only had to take all of this money and go to a financial place like Goldman Sach's & they will set this up for you. GS's employees thought it was impossible too, which is why they laughed and opened it up for Christian Bale. Once everything started to go down the tube, GS's employees, as well as the other hedge funders who opened up the same "bet" against the housing market, they got nervous. They did whatever they had to do to sell those packages to prevent from having to pay out. So just like the banks were repackaging and selling these high risk loans to WS, the hedge funds repackaged and sold these "bets" against the housing market, trying to prevent from having to pay out on them.

It didn't work. Housing market crashed and the rich people who saw it coming became richer. Instead of the banks being held accountable, they were given bailout money and regulations. They're still doing the same thing, only they have to jump through more hoops to get it done.





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Thank you DRM.

I wonder why the banks who got bailed out were allowed to give the CEOs or whatever huge bonuses. Why didn't the banks have to suffer? I mean, I know people like Nancy Pelosi were saying that if the banks were not bailed out, there wouldn't be food in the stores and it was looking very scary. But, okay so Congress voted to bail them out, but why did the banks prosper from this? Why don't they have to pay back money, or some kind of thing to make it more fair to the American people? That's what I don't get.

Also, was Wells Fargo involved in this? I didn't see their name in the movie when it was showing the names of the banks involved. Anyone know?

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Because bankers bribe politicians, congressmen and people like Pelosi.

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Why don't they have to pay back money,

They did. Quite a lot. The government received a huge amount of shares in the banks that were bailed out and wound up selling them for a few billions in profit over what the bailout cost.

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>The government received a huge amount of shares in the banks that were bailed out and wound up selling them for a few billions in profit over what the bailout cost.

Wow, I've never heard that. Can you give me a link to anything reputable that discusses or explains that further?

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http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/19/news/companies/government-bailouts-end/

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Thank you. That gives me the vocabulary to look into it further if I want to. Seems to say that with the auto bailout, it was still -9B, contradicting the headline but maybe that was sectoral and careless writing. Article not that clear. Anyway, good to know it wasn't a half a trillion loss for the USA.

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thank you!!

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I got by with just an accounting degree

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In terms of understanding this film, I think a degree in finance would help more than a degree in economics. JMO

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The movie spoonfeeds you every step of the way.

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I regard economics as worthless as a business forecasting tool. Life is too complicated for their formulas. Economics is better at explaining what happened after the fact. Although some still argue over the causes of the stock market crash in 1929 and the ensuing depression.

One joke among economists is that a degree in Economics will not keep you out of the unemployment office but you will know why you are there. Most economists are employed by government or universities and not corporations.



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One joke among economists is that a degree in Economics will not keep you out of the unemployment office but you will know why you are there. Most economists are employed by government or universities and not corporations.


I like that.

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The simplest way to understand is to think of a store that is buying defective stereos from their supplier. They know the stereos are junk, but they still buy them. Why? Because they have a bunch of people lining up who will buy them.

Normally they might push back on the supplier, but in this case, they know they can quickly sell them, so they don't even care.

They also know that when the customers eventually figure out the stereos are defective, by that time they can get away with it by saying "there's no refunds", or they can change the store name and move across the street.

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Reading Liar's Poker helped me understand this movie a lot more, actually. It's by the same author behind this movie.

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