I mean both are HIGHLY entertaining! But I have to admit I feel sorry for some of these people getting roped in by cops... What do you think?
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I think it is somewhat entrapment.
But I dont feel sorry at all. Those people dont feel sorry for the owners of the cars. I know no one who doesnt know that taking a car without consent is against the law.
I just hope the show is legit like Cops and not contrived like Seagal's BS.
Those who think it's entrapment should probably go look up the definition of that word.
shareNobody is forcing anybody to steal the car. Those people KNOW they are stealing the car and KNOW it's illegal. They laugh and joke about it at first, then try to lie about it when they get caught. And it's usually the same lie. They were "just moving around the corner/out of the way". Then follow it up with "I swear to god".
Just about every single one of them has a previous rap sheet. I say "F" them.
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It is entrapment. Nevertheless the criminals know that what they are doing is wrong. This isn't the first time many of these people have stolen a car, but it may be the first time they get caught. On the contrary, there was an episode where this woman was like "This better not be another bait car." I like what the police are doing, it's sending a message.
The most entertaining part of this is the stupidity of the suspects. A very small fraction of cars that are stolen are left with the keys there, the lights on etc. These people should know the old saying, "It's too good to be true."
Yeah, them knowing about the set ups and them stealing the cars anyways is pretty funny. Especially when there is someone on the street telling the thief BEFORE they steal the car that something isn't right about the situation. Like the crowd in the parking lot that kept saying the car was "Hot" or the lady who lived right next to where a bait car was parked. When someone came up to it, she warned them by saying "baaaaaait caaaaar", but they stole it anyways.
I went to massage school, but get dirty looks when I tell women I'm a misogynist. WTF?
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The way I see it, stings allow the cops to create a crime and arrest people that normally wouldn't have committed the crime. Yes, they may be more prone to engage in a criminal activity, but had the cops not set up the crime, no crime would have been committed.
Meanwhile, real crimes are being committed elsewhere that are not being attended to.
from wiki
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit. In many jurisdictions, entrapment is a possible defense against criminal liability. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.
For example, it is not entrapment for a government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informant or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person (see sting operation). So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
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All they do is leave a car unattended. Most people would glance at it and keep walking. The people that take it, know it isn't their car, and some of them have even been arrested for GTA before, so how is it entrapment. No one told them to take it. Just because you want something, doesn't make it yours.
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NO entrapment either case. I LOVE both shows. How dumb are you to feel sorry for these criminals and thieves. You are probably one of them. Like the other posters wrote, the car is just left there, and no one forces them to take it. They are thugs and criminals, and don't even get me started on To Catch a Predator- they are pedophiles that you are standing up for- SICK!
On both shows they KNOW they are doing something wrong! NOT NOT NOT entrapment!
Well, yamichik feels sorry for car thieves and pedophiles so I'm guessing he's/she's not wrapped too tightly.
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"In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit."
MOST people would not take a car just because the keys were left in it. I see people leave their cars running while they go into the store. That doesn't mean you can take their car. The fact that the cops leave the keys in the car then someone steals it is not entrapment. Criminals are stupid people and do stupid things - (that's why they're criminals). Great show. They need to conduct these operations in every major city.
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"And waste our tax dollars so the police can sit there and hope people take the bait? They should be out arresting real criminals instead of creating crimes to catch people. It's a complete waste of time, man power and money... and is even more waste of tax dollars when these people are thrown in jail. Let's catch them commiting real crimes! "
Stealing something worth 10 or 15 thousand dollars or much more isn't a real crime?
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I def. see your point. I have mixed feelings on this whole entrapment subject, kinda like where do you draw the line?
The problem is that these people aren't just stealing cars because the keys are in it. Most of them are repeat offenders or have a history of crime. i.e. they've already stolen cars in the past. Keys or not. I won't defend a thief, regardless if the police left the property there or not [for them to steal]. A thief is a thief. If you've ever had your car stolen or burgalrized you'd feel the same way. I see plenty of people on this show closing the doors, hiding the keys, or moving the car out of traffic instead of stealing the car. THAT is the right thing to do.
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It's not entrapment because the police aren't enticing anyone to steal the car. If an undercover officer approached you on the street and said "hey there's a car with the keys in it and nobody wants it, go ahead and take it" then it would be entrapment. Otherwise, it isn't. This information is all over the internet and has been decided upon by people who know more about law than you or I.
"And waste our tax dollars so the police can sit there and hope people take the bait? They should be out arresting real criminals instead of creating crimes to catch people. It's a complete waste of time, man power and money... and is even more waste of tax dollars when these people are thrown in jail. Let's catch them commiting real crimes! "
Auto theft is a real crime, dummy. If you don't think it is, then let someone steal your car and see if you still think it's not a real crime then. What would you rather have, the police chasing a car thief in a regular car and going on a thirty-minute high speed chase when he decides he doesn't want to go back to jail, and he runs innocent people off the road during the chase, OR police chasing a car thief in a bait car, where they can shut the engine down with the push of a button, thereby AVOIDING said high speed chase where innocent people could be killed or injured?
And your example of cops throwing a bag of drugs on the ground and arresting whoever picks them up is a decent comparison, but still has its flaws. The whole point is that bait car operations are NOT entrapment. Entrapment would be if an undercover cop came up to you, told you to help him steal the car, and threatened you with violence if you refused. That would be entrapment because in that scenario you wouldn't be stealing the car cuz you wanted to, you'd be stealing it because you were forced to. Leaving a car on the street isn't entrapment because no one is coercing or forcing the people to steal it. They are doing it voluntarily.
Zozo? Never heard of it.
I've actually had my car stolen before it was very easy to get the insurance to provide with me a rental until it was replaced by them. So yeah I personally feel like we should have cops on the street trying to stop other problems such as murder and rape but thats just me.
shareAnd where did the insurance company get the money to pay for your rental and your replacement car? From other people's premiums. So in the end everyone pays when these criminals steal something. They are a burden on the public, before and after they're caught. Plus, not everyone carries comprehensive insurance. I don't. So if my car is stolen then I don't get a replacement.
Murder and Rape aren't as common as theft and aren't nearly as random so it's almost impossible to keep those things from happening. That's why we carry guns in my state.
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And the good angel always loses that battle in about 10 seconds flat.
Actually I doubt whether there was any "good angel" involved, no matter what the cops opinion of his actions were. He was probably just weighing the odds of getting caught, not struggling with his conscience over right vs wrong.
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A car thief is a car thief is a car thief.
All GTAs are real crimes.
Most of the time when they take a car, they're long gone with their new toy before the victim even knows anything's wrong. I love this show because it shows car thieves doing their thing, and getting caught because of it. You have a crime, like always, but this time the victim will swoop in and make the iron-clad arrest. As a result, one more criminal is off the street for however long, and he won't be stealing anyone elses car anytime soon.
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The person wouldn't have commit the crime at that moment but the police created the scenario for them to do it. Would the person have stole a car in the future though? Who knows??? But then the police would deal with that when and if it happens.
So, what you want is for an actual vehicle owner to have their car stolen and taken apart at a chop shop before the police get involved, with no guarantee the criminal will be caught?
That's preferable to stopping them people before they have the chance to victimize law abiding citizens?
The same goes for To Catch a Predator. You'd rather a pedophile go over to a real child's home, do God knows what to them, and then possibly never be brought to justice, than for that show and the cops to take a sick individual off the street before a child can be put in harms way?
What if the police started a program where they get undercover female officers to dress and act extremely provocatively AKA slutty in alleys outside of clubs, to catch rapists and prevent civilian women from being attacked?
I suppose you'd prefer they go fight REAL crime and only get involved AFTER women have been raped?
Why, in your mind, must the police only get involved AFTER someone's been victimized? Is crime PREVENTION not worth investing time and resources in? Because that's what this is. Before an unsuspecting person gets legitimately victimized, the police catch criminals without the risk. And, it keeps both the police officers AND the criminals safer, because there is much less risk of, for examples, a crazy car chase or a shootout.
The show I watched yesterday was done in Atlanta, a city of 420,000. Statistics reported 120 vehicles stolen per week, which equals 6,240 per year (roughly).
I would say that's a pretty big problem and requires this type of program.
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"'The same goes for To Catch a Predator. You'd rather a pedophile go over to a real child's home, do God knows what to them, and then possibly never be brought to justice'
"I never said that you freeking moron, I'm all for the police catching pediphiles in the manner seen on the show. It's when jerk-offs like Chris Hansen step in and get involved doing what they do solely for the sake of a television program and then lies saying that they're seperate from the police investigation (which is a lie) is what gets to me.
"As to Bait Car, I see it as a waste of man hours and tax dollars in which the police can be out there solving real crimes instead of fulling up the jails with people that they're bait car catches. And yes, I know auto theft is a real crime but maybe they should be coming up with ways stop the real crimes instead of baiting people to steal their cars. When I see 5 - 6 cops sitting around for hours waitng for something to happen with their fingers up their ass, yes... it bothers me and is a complete waste of time."
To borrow a phrase from Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle: Think of it evolution in action, jokingkong
...kong: your opinion would change 180 degrees if anybody ever stole YOUR car.
I bet you haven't given much thought to the people who don't have insurance against theft - and who are poor and have their car stolen - and then they have to spend 3 years paying FOR A CAR THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY LONGER.
And if you EVER had someone violate you by breaking into your house and stealing your valuables - then you would want the police to stop these scumbags ANY WAY THEY CAN.
Think about the fact that most people who break into homes - get away with it about 50 times before they get caught - and the police tell victims of this crime that the chance they will catch the fvcktards is ALMOST ZERO.
And do you REALLY think that most of these car theives have NEVER committed ANY other crime before?
Are you really THAT naive?
Yes, it would be great if police did rape stings too to take a few rapists off the streets. And if they did a good job of publicizing their stings, then the even greater effect would be to make rapists think twice about it before-hand - and maybe NOT commit the crime because they worry about getting caught.
But the one thing I think cops should NOT be wasting their time on is busting hookers trying to turn tricks. This is mostly a "victimless" crime - and the police tactics just end up hurting women by taking away their own self-control. Legalizing prostitution is the biggest thing politicians could do to help these women. And put money into drug treatment.
And this ...kong posters really is a defender of these car theives. Bait cars are NOT entrapment. Police only provide the OPPORTUNITY to commit a crime. Not encourage it.
But I see a BIG difference between Bait Car and To Catch a Predator. I think ALMOST ALL Bait Car "participants" are repeat offenders who should be locked up for a long time - but I DON'T think the same is true of the Predator series. I think most of those guys a just pathetic losers with no social skills - many of them slightly autistic, with severe social disabilities. And I think MANY of the guys caught in the Predator stings have NEVER met up with a young woman before. That series seems very different in terms of it's level of entrapment.
And that might be why To Catch a Predator is NOT on TV anymore. I think a large percentage of those guys would NEVER actually meet up with a real girl.
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And waste our tax dollars so the police can sit there and hope people take the bait? They should be out arresting real criminals instead of creating crimes to catch people. It's a complete waste of time, man power and money... and is even more waste of tax dollars when these people are thrown in jail. Let's catch them commiting real crimes!
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But that's not the only purpose of the bait car program. The cars are being placed in areas where vehicle theft is a serious problem with the hope that, knowing there IS such a program in place, the thievery will stop. I don't think they're looking to nab every idiot who just happens to come along and decides on a spur of the moment joy ride. They want to stop the serious car thieves but, unfortunately, a lot of dummys get in the way of it and have to be dealt with.
Not to mention the fact that a lot of these stings DO net serious criminals. How many times have we seen them talking to one of the thieves and been told that they have an extensive record of violent crimes...home invasion, assault, armed robbery, to name a few.
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I don't consider this show to be entrapment at all cause I do feel it's a great way for the police to catch car thieves and car burglars and to put them in jail for a while, I also love it when the majority of the people they catch stealing the bait car are on probation and parole, I would rather see the police set up bait cars than to sell drugs to unsuspecting buyers any day.
shareI have some sympathy for the Predator guys - because I don't think many would ever actually meet a real woman - but I would like to see these car thieves go away for a LONG time.
One poster in this thread defends these guys - but I think most car thieves, and home burglars, etc, get away with it 30 or 40 times before they are caught - so this show is just sweet justice.
I really do think we should be telling this damned junkies after they've been arrested twice for theft - the next time we catch you - we are going to CUT OFF ONE OF YOUR HANDS !
I'm NOT kidding about this.