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Katherine of Alexandria - so many myths, so many half truths.

posted 11 years ago by terrybamber1
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The pain of seeing this film with its list of credits not reflecting all the truth, all the pain and the heartache surrounding this project.

Where is David Cain? Where is Frazer Fennell-Ball, Franz Pagot? Indeed where is Alan French whose performance as a human Roman candle was brilliant comedy?

There are so many truths and myths to be explored about the Lady Katherine and the film

[–] dipsy-lee54 10 years ago

I agree about the myths. there's so many parallels to Hypatia that one does question who was real - perhaps neither. But one thing is certain, in my onion - she inspired a lot of good.. that's catherine or hypatia..

I don't mind if the film is full of half truths, as long as it inspires good.. reflecting the truth, pain and heartache of which ever woman existed. and for that i"m grateful.

[–] heich1 10 years ago

However there is a difference, Katherine of Alexander was victim of pagan persecution while Hypatia was a victim of Christian persecution, i.e. when the
Christians came into power they perscuted all those who didn't agree with them.
I am Jewish and when the Christians came to power they behaved worse to the Jews then the pagans before them.

[–] Ssertorivs 10 years ago

No, Hypatia is quite real, and there are several contemporary sources that mention her. It's Saint Katherine who's the myth.

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[–] chris3-4 10 years ago

Yes Hypatia was real she was the daughter of the Greek mathematician Theon of Alexandria. However, her dealing with the occult (Satan) was her final undoing. Probably the reason why the CATHOLICS (not real Christians) murdered her at Alexandria in 415 CE.

[–] Clusium 10 years ago

However, her dealing with the occult (Satan) was final undoing.

Hypatia had nothing to do with the occult. It would seem that you are blaming the victim for her own demise.

Probably the reason why the CATHOLICS (not real Christians) murdered her at Alexandria in 415 CE.

2 responses here:

a)Yes, Catholics ARE real Christians. In fact, we are the ORIGINAL Christians!!!

b)The Christians in Alexandria were COPTICS, not Catholics!!!

I'm not point that out to lay fingers on another Christian group. Because unlike some jerks around here, I acknowledge fellow Christians. In fact, they also have Apostolic Succession. While the Catholic Church goes all the way back to St. Peter the Apostle, the Coptic Church goes all the way back to St. Mark the Evangelist.

It was WRONG of that Christian mob to murder Hypatia. But, blaming specific Christian denominations & denying their Christianity does not in anyway help.

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[–] chris3-4 9 years ago

I love Mary's and Jesus' GOD more...

BTW - The first Christians were Jesus' apostles and disciples of the 1st century CE. The Catholics were created by the documented pagan Emperor Constantine in 4th century CE and was based on a false belief that Jesus called Peter The Rock rather than Jesus referring to himself. Peter died in Babylon (ancient Iraq) NOT Rome. So that is a false story created by Constantine.

Whenever you side with God's chief enemy, Satan the Devil, you put yourself in jeopardy just like Ananias and Sapphira did at Acts 5:1-11. Also the WITCH (aka Psychic) OF ENDOR and her psychic-hotline customers suffered the same fate (1 Samuel 28:3–25).

If so-called REAL Christians worship false and inappropriate idols (execution method crosses etc) and practice ancient pagan ceremonies, venerate ancient pagan teachings, promote NAZIs in WW2, sweep pedophiles under the rug today, deny Jesus' Almighty Fathers existence by falsely calling Jesus God rather than "A" god as the Athanasus Creed (Trinity Doctrine) originally teaches (also from Alexandria during the same time period). How does that make them true followers of Jesus Christ? Christ would NEVER approve of such pagan-esque activity. That is a ANTI (or against) Christ attitude.

Hypatia was killed with oyster shells in 415 CE by Peter The Fanatic and his mob according to Socrates Scholasticus. They were all followers of Emperor Constantine's new religion he named UNIVERSAL or "Catholica" (aka in English CATHOLIC).

[–] Clusium 9 years ago

I'm sorry Chris, but, you are so wrong. St. Peter was in fact, the very first Pope. The Papacy is traced all the way back to him. He was martyred in Rome. Babylon was a code name for Rome in the New Testament.

The word 'Catholic' was first used in 110 AD.

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[–] Korios 10 years ago

There are so many wrong things with your statements I do not even know where to start. Catholicism is merely a denomination of Christianity, just like orthodoxy. The "occult" in 4th century AC was broadly considered any research or book not having to do with the bible. An idea some fundamentalist christians maintain to this day. So the occult in Hypatia's case was mathematics, geometry, the platonic solids, astronomy etc Someone not believing in the existence of the biblical god also denies the existence of Satan, so your tagging occultism as satanism was beyond ludicrous.

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[–] Ssertorivs 10 years ago

I agree about the myths. there's so many parallels to Hypatia that one does question who was real - perhaps neither.

No, Hypatia is real and well documented. Katherine isn't.

I don't mind if the film is full of half truths, as long as it inspires good.

And as long as those half-truths favor Christianity. Lies do not really bother a Christian, if they promote their agenda - inspired a lot of good? How? By your wishful thinking?

[–] Clusium 10 years ago

No, Hypatia is real and well documented. Katherine isn't.

They know where her grave is though. Admittedly some of her story is apocryphal, such as the angels carrying her remains to Mount Sinai. More likely, it were Christian monks which probably buried her remains on Mount Sinai.

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[–] Ssertorivs 10 years ago

They know where her grave is though.

And there are enough pieces of the true cross left over to build a church.

As for real historical evidence, it indicates she was made up in the 9th century:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Alexandria#Historicity

Although her legend would place Katherine's martyrdom in the early fourth century, she is not mentioned in any document written before the ninth or tenth century, when the earliest known accounts of her life appeared in Greek. Given the long gap, modern authorities have concluded not only that the legend is fictitious, but that the saint herself may never have existed. Her name, which comes from the Greek katharos, "pure," is suspiciously apt for a virgin martyr, raising the possibility that her legend (like that of Christopher, "Christ-bearer") may have originated as an allegory. Her feast - along with those of some other favorite medieval saints, including Christopher and Margaret - was abolished by the Vatican in 1969.

http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/reames-middle-english-legends-of -women-saints-katherine-of-alexandria-introduction

[–] Clusium 10 years ago

And there are real pieces of the true cross left over to build a church.

The difference between relics of "the true cross" & the tomb of St. Katherine is this: St. Julia, the mother of the Emperor Constantine, went to Jerusalem to seek out the Cross. This was some 300 years after Our Lord's Passion, & Christianity had been around. Whether or not it was the actual Cross which the empress had found, is debatable, & even if it was, it was most likely ripped to shreds a long time ago, & other wood slivers were made, as claims to be from the actual Cross.

St. Katherine's tomb was discovered under the monastery by complete circumstance, along with her written story, which had been forgotten about, most likely because Emperor Maxentius didn't want her to be remembered. The fact that she was able to stand up to his philosophers & convert them all, as well as his wife(she disappeared from the historical record), meant that she humiliated him. Therefore, why would allow her memory to flourish?

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