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I am so sick of movies about born-again white men delivering 'justice'

posted 13 years ago by IceboxMovies
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It's never going to end, is it? Gung-ho "justice" and a white man's interference in foreign affairs... all in the name of Christianity. I am so sick of movies like this.

[–] nbridge99 13 years ago

what other movies are just like this?

[–] vyson69 13 years ago

to the OP: so if the born again dude wasn't white, you'd be be ok with it?

political correctness---birthplace of misguided RACISM

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[–] ryderdvs 13 years ago

How about the "Hobo with a Shotgun" trailer starring Rutger Hauer?
The studio execs are pitching it something like this:
"Okay, so we don't really have a script yet. But.....we have a title. MACHINE.....GUN......PREACHER. Get it? It's edgy, because you have a man of the cloth....whose supposed to be about peace and harmony.....yet he totes a firearm. Pretty great, huh?!"

[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

Sergeant York. Mississippi Burning. Glory. Dances with Wolves. The Help. Movies like this are always designed to make white people in the audiences feel better about themselves. "Oooh, good thing that all-knowing white man went out to conquer racism/violence, so that we don't have to!"

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

[–] [email protected] 13 years ago

Sergeant York. Mississippi Burning. Glory. Dances with Wolves. The Help. Movies like this are always designed to make white people in the audiences feel better about themselves. "Oooh, good thing that all-knowing white man went out to conquer racism/violence, so that we don't have to!"

Sergeant York? You might want to watch that one again.

[–] fluffchop 10 years ago

Well white people are responsible for civilised society and it's advancement. I'm sick of people flying race flags about the truth. Black countries are crap.

[–] stagebandman 7 years ago

You know those first three are true stories, right?

If we all liked the same movie, there'd only be one movie!

[–] guasco-2 13 years ago

I find it hilarious that you're sick of movies like this, as if saying this is another hollywood propaganda kind of fiction when in actuality its a true story.

Its a true story dude. Its not a fiction written by some biased writer trying to promote his/her views on the world.

This is the world.

"God doesn't make the world the way it is...We Do"-Rorschach.

[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

I find it hilarious that you're sick of movies like this, as if saying this is another hollywood propaganda kind of fiction when in actuality its a true story.

How is "it's a true story" even remotely a valid defense to make yet another movie like this?

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

Animosities towards white men much?

I am a white man. That doesn't mean I approve of the ridiculous glorification of my race (at the expense of other races) in the industry.

You know, you don't have to watch it. Remember that.

No. I have no reason to "remember" stupid advice like that. I want movies like this to STOP BEING MADE -- so that they stop poisoning the minds of the naive white people who ARE watching them. What part of that don't you understand?

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

You have a thing against true stories?

Uhh, Patch Adams was "based on a true story". Radio was "based on a true story." The Rookie was "based on a true story". Walking Tall was "based on a true story". Were any of them good movies? In short, no.

So... what's your logic? If a movie is "based on a true story", no matter how exaggerated, then it's automatically good? Wow.

What is poisoning anyone's minds exactly?

The concept that black people can't survive without a jingoistic, born-again white man holding their hands. That is racist, imperialist and -- above all -- wrong.

You obviously have issues with white men regarded as heroes.

Well. I take it, then, that you feel threatened by my posts because you are white and because you're afraid of your oh-so-victimized white race being discredited even in the least.

Now it's WHITE AUDIENCES!

Exactly. If manipulated enough, a mass white audience will totally embrace a self-congratulatory movie that gives thanks to them for being the superior race: the one that, you know, takes care of those poor black people because according to them -- to quote a Sterling Silliphant screenplay -- black people “need care, and feeding, and cultivating—and that takes time.” Yes, I pity those naive white audiences (yourself included).

Oh, and you still don't have to watch the movie or listen to such stories of heroics either.

The point of film criticism is to rip apart even the most evil of movies. If you disagree, then it's a wonder you post on the IMDB at all.

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

Did you piss and moan when those movies were about to be released, too?

I was offended by them, yes. And so were millions of others -- especially by Patch Adams. Where've you been, fool?

That you have animosities and issues against white men and their stories of heroism. Think before you type.

So you don't think there's anything wrong with glorifying a born-again white man who kills in the name of Christianity while all the other people in the movie (i.e. black people) are reduced to victims and villains? I hate to break it to you, but that's how Social Darwinism comes about.

Nonsense. No one said they couldn't survive without a white man. He's just there to help.

Oh, really? And you think black audiences will embrace this movie just as much as the gullible whites do?

This is about a movie based on a true story.

Who CARES? Mississippi Burning was supposedly based on a true story as well, and look how black audiences reacted to that movie. Even Coretta Scott King decried it as another one of those movies where blacks couldn't get along without the reactionary assistance of a whites. Have you any idea how inferior that makes the black race look?

What's superior about just helping people, regardless of race?

Except the guy in this movie is not just "helping" people. He's killing in the name of Christianity. That's disgusting.

By the way... you don't understand. There are two kinds of movies about "whites helping others": one about a white man with an overinflated ego; another in which the white man/woman is practically hero-worshipped. In the former, we've gotten some of the best movies ever made -- Lean's Lawrence of Arabia, for example. In the latter, we've gotten some truly offensive movies like Mississippi Burning, The Help and Sergeant York.

Ask yourself: if you were a black man/woman, do you think you'd like a movie like Machine Gun Preacher as much as a white person? You honestly wouldn't have a problem with a movie being made in which the essential message is that your race couldn't get along without a supposedly "Christian" white man holding your hand?

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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[–] LennonCAP 12 years ago

Wow! Until I read your post, honestly the thought that he was a white person who saved the day never crossed my mind until now, my thoughts on MGP was he was a man, human... you get my point. I do have alot of friends who are brothers and they feel the same. Just a good movie, and if Chillders was a black man, i'd feel the same.

Except one guy, and he is racist... He basically has the same opinion as you..... and he's Mexican.

[–] Modern-Prometheus 13 years ago

So...is this your way of saying that white people aren't allowed to help black people in need as far as cinema goes? For someone who seems so concerned about racism, you sure don't seem to want to get rid of it. As long as stupid BS like this is such a big deal to people, racism will be kept alive.

...vampires don't sparkle...

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[–] sccrplyr7771 13 years ago

My word, i've NEVER seen someone as out to lunch about a movie as this guy is...appropriately his name is Icebox, seeing he is about as intelligent as one...LOL!

[–] NTMuller-1 13 years ago

I wouldn't care if he was purple or green - Sam Childers has made a difference in the lives of hundreds of children that no one else was helping.

There are many agencies like his all over the world. The fact is that the developed world has resources and in the third world, people, particularly children, are being brutalized. Do we just stand by and do nothing because we are afraid of seeming "colonial?" The agency through which we give hires locals for most of its programs, educating and training indigenous leaders to take over the organization's highest in-country positions. Many formerly-sponsored children now hold positions of leadership throughout the country in government, media, education, etc. I'm thankful and humbled to be a part of such positive change.

[–] mweizman 13 years ago

The culture of "the white man" and specifically european civilization always were and always will be far more advanced than anything in Africa or Asia. Africans and Asians, they are the REAL barbarians. They are not living in poverty because they are being exploited by western companies, they live in poverty because they are barbarians, always have been, always will be. And thats the truth. Just ask any white man living in a black neighborhood...

[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

Africans and Asians, they are the REAL barbarians. They are not living in poverty because they are being exploited by western companies, they live in poverty because they are barbarians, always have been, always will be. And thats the truth. Just ask any white man living in a black neighborhood...

How typical a statement from apologists of this movie's premise.

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

ioceboxmovies

you have serious issues man. you really fking do.
and i really do suggest you to move in a black neighborhood. you'll feel much better there.

[–] Kingfrak 13 years ago

Iceboxmovies is a Black person. Don't let his silly facade fool you. He's a racist, angry boy with an inferiority complex, and a fascist temperament.

[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

i really do suggest you to move in a black neighborhood. you'll feel much better there.

Yikes. Like I said: a typical comment to come from apologists of this movie's sick premise.

Iceboxmovies is a Black person. Don't let his silly facade fool you. He's a racist, angry boy with an inferiority complex, and a fascist temperament.

You got me!

[–] Seliny19 13 years ago

Ha that's a disgusting statement as places like Singapore, Taiwan, Tokyo, Hong Kong and MANY other places in Asia are a helluva a lot more civilized, vibrant, and urm the exact opposite of barbaric. Hell Singapore is known to be one of THE cleanest and neatest places on this planet. It's like a giant Lysol wiped shiny utopia. Don't believe me go there and see for yourself. Your narrow minded view of the world is laughable and quite sad. There are plenty of places ALL over the US and Europe full of gangs, crime, poverty, and murder. I would know. I've lived in some of the worst cities here in the US like Los Angelos, Chicago, extremely run down Detroit, and currently right now Minneapolis. One of the most corrupt and crime ridden cities out there. Murders and all kinds of crimes happen here on a daily basis and people die in random drive by shootings and rapes alll the time. Sorry sweetie but BAD PLACES AND BAD PEOPLE EXIST EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD.

You can't CLAIM to be one of the "good guys" and put yourself on a golden throne just because you're white honeybunch. Ironically you are one of the worst kinds of evil as you think being an internet tough guy shows off the limits of your masculinity while doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in real life to help anyone else at all. What kind of MAN is that? Sorry but a man that talks smack on the internet of all places and speaks uncaringly of his fellow human beings isn't really much of a man at all. I don't really give a flying fvck about racism. Because I've seen bad people AND good people from ALL races. You can't box people into cutesy little stereotypes because a human being cannot be put into a neat little category. A whole lifetime is not something that can be so easily judged like a random box on the road. I find it much more disturbing of your character that you find the sufferings of innocent children to be nothing more then shrug worthy. As if children who aren't the same color as you don't deserve to live and as if because of their race they deserve to killed. Just an: Oh Well! They're just blacks and asian orphaned kids living in warzones. Who gives a *beep* if they get sold into sexual slavery? Water off my back! Like as if those children are baby lambs up for slaughter. That says a lot more about your entire charcacter... And it's pathetically disturbing. Inhumanely evil almost. How you can dismiss the sufferings of millions of children just because they're not white is amazing to me.

[–] Korios 12 years ago

Have you ever visited Japan, Korea, Singhapore, South Africa, Dubai, Abhu Dabi, China etc? Obviously you haven't but if you do please leave the Klan hood at home.

sig. start:
The term "suspension of disbelief" was coined by LOLW, the League of Lazy Writers.

[–] HollywoodDouche 13 years ago

Oh, for the love of Christ.

I'm sick of threads where someone has to get on their soapbox and complain for the sake of complaining.

[–] guasco-2 13 years ago

I don't see your beef.

Its a true story that a white christian went to africa and made a change.
Thats what happened in real life. I read the article on a newspaper waaaay before i heard about this movie was even going to be made.

also, if Sam Childers happened to be black, would it change the fact that he's a christian?

So, your saying that they should make the movie less accurate and make him black, or this movie is racist?

Its not about race, dimwit, its about someone who because of God, feels the hurt of innocent people and wants to help.

If it was an indian/mexican/chinese/fill in the blank_race I wouldn't care.
Its a great man, doing a great thing.

If you don't like what WHITE christians do to help victims, then bury your head in the sand.

"God doesn't make the world the way it is...We Do"-Rorschach.

[–] lastmidnite2 13 years ago

Simple solution: I hate movies like this; I wouldn't even watch it on HBO. If you object to this type of film, do like I do: DON'T watch it!

[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

If you object to this type of film, do like I do: DON'T watch it!

As I said earlier, what is the point of film criticism if all we ever do is simply avoid evil movies and let other people watch them for us?

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

[–] LLink2411 13 years ago

The point of film criticism is either to provide future film-makers with insight on film itself or to help consumers to decide whether the price of admission to see the film is really worth it.

Complaining just to complain doesn't fill any specific niche or help anyone, nor will it ever change anything... it is just masturbation without the sex.

Though I never really understood the whole desperately self-hating white man thing. I know it is becoming more commonplace, but why does it exist in the first place? I mean I can see your point, but you are laying it on much too thick.

“My movies are funded with NAZI gold.” – Uwe Boll

[–] IceboxMovies 13 years ago

The point of film criticism is either to provide future film-makers with insight on film itself

Right. And had Marc Forster listened to his critics, he'd realize how fundamentally wrong it is for Hollywood to endorse yet another movie where black audiences are taught that they ought to trust the White Savior.

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

Well, so there, you see, the movie is actually pro blacks..
And people will still see the white guys as the bad guys because they will wonder why don't the developed countries do more to help those people.

And it will make people donate even more to africa and travel even more to africa and have more pity for africans because they're having such a tough life and someone needs to help them.

But gosh, zebras are also having a tough life in africa,, why don't we go save them too ?

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

I didn't reduce it to race, someone else did.

Im just saying what the public understands out of movies. They will hate the civilized world even more for not helping africans.
We have boats and airplanes and those people are dying, it's unfair. Thats what they will all think.

And yeah, ok, let's not reduce it to race, but isn't the bad guy in pretty much every movie ever made, a white guy ?
And generally that bad guy will be smart in a devious way. And that's just brilliant, let's hate anybody that isn't a complete wuss. We'll just have the underdog win again thru some amazing luck or some lame trick and everybody is happy.

There's a fkload of self hate lately, that's for sure.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

You're certainly misunderstanding what i said about the self hate.
Do you get the impression that i have a problem with self hate ? XD

And not really, there are plenty of cases where the main character is not a white guy or girl. And im sure there are plenty of movies that are purposefully anti racist.
Its rather a hipocrisy to say anything else of hollywood

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

Yeah, my opinion is that movies make people hate themselves and their society. Look at avatar for example, everybody is cheering when people get their ass kicked on that planet. In Rise of the planet of the apes, the same thing.

It's true they were shown as being the 'good guys' so that's why people cheer for them. But it's starting to become really popular lately to do that. This only shows that people have indeed started to hate themselves more and more.

Movies also make people very soft because they always learn to cheer for the weak/soft characters. And they learn that it's ok to be like that because the good guy always wins in the end, but that's a bit of a lie, isn't it ?

And since our society is (currently) the strong one ,, who do you think people hate and consider to be the villain ?

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

Well, you see peachie_keen ..
exactly what i was talking about, you hate your own society and think we got to be strong because we're some sort of cruel slave masters, not because we are more civilized and more organized and because we made our lives easier by innovating and inventing all sort of things.

And do you think that if other people got to be in our place, would we still exist today ? I believe that white people are the most empathic and least ruthless people there are on this world, and there is plenty of evidence for that. But still, you think that we're the bad guys and other people deserve to live more than we do.
Weak people always act pitiful, that's why you might not realize it. Just like dogs, when they're starving and have no home, they'll lick your hand and act like the cutest thing on earth, and if they're strong, they'll want nothing less than to rip your guts out.

"Why would we root for people who do that? Because they look like us?"

But that's how the world works , hyenas don't ally with lions, and lions don't ally with zebras. And im sure you are aware that everybody cares more about their family than for some random strangers.
And i like to cheer for the best, not for the 'right' one anyway. There is no such thing as right and wrong.
And i really don't like corporations, but i couldn't get myself to cheer for the na'vi either.
I actually think i'd have to be slightly mentally deranged to do that.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

Very sad to hear that,, but oh well, that your opinion, im sure it's not as good as mine, but whatever..

Wait... why is there a difference if today is 2011 or 500 bc ? people always have been the same haven't they ? At least they were born the same.
So i guess you must agree that something is causing this new mentality in people. Is it movies ?

By 'our society' i mean the western world, but i guess mostly white people are affected by this attitude as i was explaining earlier. (Because the villain is always a white guy, or maybe some evil corporation, controlled always by a white guy. And because i do think that white people are generally more empathic and so they tend to blame themselves for bad things a lot easier)

I don't remember you mentioning scientific advancement, you just made it sound like we're strong because we abuse others.

I didn't say that a group deserves to live more than others either. I said that this is what you think. Since we're the bad guys, we deserve to live less. Aren't the bad guys in movies always expendable ? Nobody cries when one is shot, in fact it makes for a nice happy ending.

YOU JUST THINK that you're not mixing movies with real live, but there is no way that you could avoid that, unless you're consciously trying to avoid it.
For example, If you accept in a movie that the bad guy is expendable, will you not be closer to accepting it in real life ? If you accept in a movie that corporations are bad because you see how they cut trees, will you not be closer to thinking the same thing in real life ?
Also, Casablanca is accepted as being one of the things that got americans to get involved in the european war. Or how about anti racist movies ?
This is also an accepted idea since people even make tops for anti racist movies. If someone accepts a friendship of the main white character with a black character, (plenty of movies like this) they become closer to accepting that idea in real life. Or maybe the movie is about interracial relationships, or about showing how racism and hate gets the main character to prison or dead.
Ofc they will never make a movie about how living in a black neighborhood can get you raped or killed, or how a kid in a classroom of black kids will get abused all the time, but whatever
Or maybe all the pro gay movies. It's a pretty obvious fact that gay people were considered to be disgusting by everybody, even kids, but now, nobody can have a good time on their expense anymore, so an obvious change in society, what caused it ? (Some kid was asking on yahoo answers what are some good pro gay movies to show at high-school, cause no good, proper learning experience can come without a little brainwashing)
And if people don't accept it directly, they will just become tired to fight it because of the overexposure.

So, i really don't know how you can say that movies dont influence people.

And when i meant weak, i even explained, (staving, no home) It meant both pshysically and mentally. It's in every social creature's nature to act weak when they are weak. That is in the hope of getting a friend and some help. But the same creature could just as easily be quite savage if it doesn't need friends anymore. Like dogs for example. Have you ever seen an injured dog to attack anybody ? How about nice strong pack of dogs ?

Oh sure, i can't wait for your response, it will give me much to think about, since i haven't properly though about it already, obviously. thanks.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

ok, mr or missy, this is getting really stupid.. im not going in this 3 pages/reply debate with with.

It can't be that only art imitates life. they're both connected. there is no valve determining who imitates who.

Do you want to know why africans are starving right now ?
It's actually because we tried to help them, because we tried to show them how to live a civilized life, and we gave them medicine, and we cured their sick, and maybe we even showed them agriculture, im not sure if they already had that.
And now, they can't handle it. Their population has increased, but they can't support themselves. If we just left them alone, in a few decades they would probably go back to tribe wars (with spears not ak47's) and that'd be that, no hunger problems anymore. They would balance their own population levels just nicely.

Btw, do you know what they call an organism that lives of using the resources that another organism gathers without giving anything in return ?
a parasite ?

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"The total number of people in Africa grew from 221 million in 1950 to 1 billion in 2009"

well, how about that ?

And where do you think all those people will go when they won't find anything to eat in there or any jobs ? We'll bring them here cause we could need some overpopulation problems ourselves, and they'll find plenty to eat and the girls will give them plenty of blowjobs too, cause that's how just they are, super attractive, hater's gonna hate.

that sentence where you mention the double helix is quite contradictory, i cant really tell what you mean, did we get strong because of colonialism or the double helix ?

"I DO try to avoid it. Most of what I see on TV goes through a filter"
you have a UV filter on your tv ? that's nice.

"Um, what? There are plenty of movies about the harsh realities many predominantly black neighborhoods face. "

EXACTLY ! its about the poor black people again, and how we abandoned them to live in poverty.

"And bullying, although I don't know where you got the idea that bullying only occurs in a classroom of black kids"

well, people tell me the same stories. and i can talk from experience too

what don't you understand ? weak social creatures act weak.
Its not just that they don't attack because they can't. They will ask for pity and act as if they're harmless and innocent.
but that's irrelevant anyway.
I was just trying to explain there there isn't really any such thing as good or bad or a good or bad person. And the people that we see as weak now could easily be a major treat not much later. Like the blue aliens from avatar ,, who is there to say that if they were the ones with the spaceships they wouldn't have exploited earth to get latex or uranium or whatever they never seen before.

anyway, id prefer if you dont reply, and if you do, i won't.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

you obviously didnt read my definition of parasitic behavior properly..

And maybe egiptians or some other northern states were more advanced, but egiptians aren't really black.. it's more like the middle east in there
the rest were most likely tribes,

"Pre-colonial Africa possessed perhaps as many as 10,000 different states and polities[32] characterised by many different sorts of political organisation and rule. These included small family groups of hunter-gatherers such as the San people of southern Africa"

bla bla, so tribes,
now we expect them to be civilized and it's just not in their nature. we should just leave them be and watch them in safari trips or something and take pictures of them from the back of the trucks..

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

I really don't care, do a revolution if you have to.

What I care is that the population level of Europe is decreasing, while everywhere else demographics are increasing, this only means that soon in the future the people of Europe will disappear or be assimilated by other people, and I don't think that's very nice at all.
But I guess it's out fault for being such politically correct wusses and for that, we don't deserve to live.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

well i dont give a sh_t what makes them have more babies to double the population every 30 years, fact is i don't like it.

lol what ? help them ?
haha, parasititc behaviour much ?
and what will they do with the help ? buy a ticket to europe ?

do you realize there are 1 billion people in africa ? im not even sure if their agriculture can support that.
and by the time you help them, they'll be 2 billion anyway. when exactly do you think good social conditions will make them stop ?

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

understand what ?
i don't really think we have any sort of responsibility towards you.
fixing your economy, educating your people,

you know we also have nukes at our disposal, those would surely get things done very quickly, im not saying we should use them..

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

then you should expect those people to invest in education, not the western world.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

i already told you that the western world has no responsibility towards africa.

and you said education was needed for a better social life and for people to stop making so many kids, not just for work.

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[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

i didn't say that.
i said that we don't have the responsibility to educate africa.

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[–] lysozymes 13 years ago

Sigh... western world will benefit both economically and socially by getting the countries in Africa out of their miserable state.

I don't care if the western world has any moral obligation to Africa, but helping them develop stable societies will prevent their crap spilling over to us (drugs, refugees and corruption).

I'm not talking about donations, as most of their government are more corrupt than a conservative tea party, but by increasing the basic education and women's right. Increased education means that they can do more advanced jobs, which leads to a more technological advanced industry. An increased middle class will consume more international products. Better conditions for women's rights will also mean fewer children, as they don't have to worry about a 20-30% child mortality.

A stable society (no wars) will have a more efficient spending of the countries resources. Otherwise it's just one local warlord after another, sucking the country dry.

[–] e-mail9050 13 years ago

Isn't it very difficult to remove warlords ?
you would need something like armed intervention for that, and probably a puppet government, not just some education. Because you would need to build up good police forces and security.
(Since they are corrupt, it won't just work with asking them to do it properly)

I dont think you really have any idea about what you're talking about, but i can tell you that this situation can't be fixed with normal policies.
And you want to do good in africa, but of course you don't care about the future of you own continents and your own people.
you think it's all great in here and it will be forever..

[–] lysozymes 13 years ago

Yes, I agree. It is very difficult to remove a warlord. His henchmen would just take over the role. Look at Somalia!

I didn't say I had the solution, if it was that simple - then Africa wouldn't be in such a bad state.

Who would want to pay for the armed intervention and puppet government? We can see how much Afghanistan and Irak is costing the USA. And that's with the oil reserves as incentive!

It takes slow and gradual changes to those countries, one suggestion is change the idea of "tribal" culture. It would prevent more genocides like the Tutsi vs Hutsi (look Hotel Rwanda). Most of the "soldiers" joining these rebel factions do it out of
1) Poverty
2) Religion
3) Getting revenge for previous atrocities.

Get them fast food like KFC and cable TV, and you'll see that in 2 generations, no one will want to stage a revolt :)

Yes, I'm no expert in International Relations. Only been to Ghana and Ethiopia twice as health care worker (upgrading hospital healthcare) and my views are based on those short trips.