If they can move their planet, why do they even need to come to Earth? There are plenty of other places to move it to. They could even share our orbit if they stayed the other side of the Sun.
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Every SciFi story sets its own rules.
In this case, it looks like they needed a “localized” reception point with enough local technology and power to make the transfer.
It would also seem that the process would bring the two planets within collision range.
Since the two worlds will eventually collide, the resulting “survivors” would be more evolutionary advanced. Which probably explains Lee’s prediction of this “Event.”
They were here first, before "mankind" so they came back... But just was the ev3nt?
shareSo what exactly is supposed to happen after the planet comes through the portal?
Do the people on the alien planet transport to OUR planet and then WE die? Does the alien planet collide with our planet (wouldn't both planets wind up destroyed if that happened??)
And if they do transport from THEIR planet on over to OUR planet, then WHAT happens to THEIR PLANET, and to us when they do this??
Too many unsolved questions and I for one am SO MAD because I really liked this show.
Just when it gets good, interesting and chock full of alien special effects, THEY DECIDE TO CANCEL IT??
Not fun and not fair!!!
There might be follow up stories written on the Internet to answer your questions.
Even if they’ve cancelled the show, the storyline is bound to continue.
I have set up a petition to get as many signatures as I can to send to NBC or whoever to "try" and get a 2nd season of The Event into production, it may be pointless but no harm in trying, hope IMDB allows me to post this without being banned or blocked etc. as only trying to help a show that deserves a chance and IMDB is a platform for giving shows a chance:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/nbcevent
If its a show you think deserves another season please sign my petition to get one made
wow.... asking to sign a petition, clearly these people have nothing better to do with their sorry lives.
shareThe “Event” hasn’t happened yet. It’s an evolutionary promise. It would seem to related to those who survive this “planet merge.”
I don't think you really understand how catastrophic a planetary collision would be. There would be 0 survivors.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
When it comes to evolution… the operative word would be survivors.
This isn't about evolution, this is about a massive global catastrophe. Evolution doesn't protect you from a fast moving wall of fire.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
Well, unless you’re hiding a protected shelter (season 2?)
On a planet that falls apart?
shareJust stop talking. You have no idea what you're talking about. There is nothing in the world that would protect you from the devastation that would occur as a result from a planetary collision.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
There is nothing in the world that would protect you from the devastation that would occur as a result from a planetary collision.Isn’t that kind of speculation exactly what SciFi is all about?
There's nothing anywhere, within the show or within the real universe that implies such a thing is possible.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
There's nothing anywhere, within the show or within the real universe that implies such a thing is possible.Prove that statement. It’s a pretty universe for you to be making that type of claim.
Do you understand the forces involved in two planets colliding? No one on either planet would survive, and whatever remained would be uninhabitable for billions of years.
Take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZD1R54r3Tc
That's a pretty accurate (incredibly sped-up) depiction of a moon-sized planetoid hitting the earth. This is the current leading theory of the moon's origin. Now imagine two Earths colliding.
A mathematician and physicist could prove this easily, but I'm neither. Common sense will have to do.
Tenser, said the Tensor.
Or course it would be devastating.
So, the question is about surviving.
So how about putting themselves in stasis chambers outside the Earth orbit for a couple of hundred million years until the rubble reforms into a new plant that eventually becomes inhabitable again. After all, the new plant will still be in the “life zone.”
That’s certainly not a farfetched idea as far as Sci-Fi is concerned.
The again, maybe the “next evolutionary step” might include starting EVERYTHING over from scratch.
I think king_of_bob and I were specifically responding to your notion that they could "hide in a protected shelter" which is pure nonsense. This isn't an earthquake, this is total planetary annihilation.
It would take much more than 200 million years for the planet to become habitable again. Current estimates are more in the 2 billion year range, if ever. It's very possible after a collision of that magnitude that the planet would never be habitable again, especially if we're talking about a planet in a middle-aged solar system.
Any "stasis chamber" would need to have its own orbit around the sun well away from earth's orbit, which would be littered with debris for millions of years. The technology required for such a thing, the power consumption, the maintenance, the shielding, for a mechanical object large enough to store billions of people for billions of years... if we were able to do that, we wouldn't need to wait for earth to become habitable. We could terraform another planet.
Tenser, said the Tensor.
All I’m saying is put on your little Sci-Fi hat on and render an outcome.
You do hit an important possibility.
Why not terraform the reforming Earth. Speed up the process.
However, this is no different than any series having a cliff hanger. It’s the writers of the next season that have to figure a way out of the dilemma created in the cliff hanger. Hopefully, someone won’t decide that’s it’s all going to be a “Dallas” with a season-long dream.
Actually I did put on my sci-fi hat. I like hard sci-fi, so like I said, it would have to be a massive space station in its own orbit between, most likely, Earth and Mars. It would need to have artificial intelligence running it, but the AI couldn't be too human, as it would have a 2-billion-year lifespan. That amount of time would drive a human-like artificial intelligence insane.
You can't terraform Earth after an event like a planetary collision. At least not until the core, mantle, and crust stabilized.
Besides, if we had the technological capabilities to build a stasis-station for the entire human race, we would likely have the technology to just move to a new planet.
Tenser, said the Tensor.
You’re getting the idea but how about a more simple solution.
The power fails and the planet, not completely materialized, snaps back.
Now, we’re left with the same basic scenario in the 2nd season as the first; a limited number of aliens on Earth trying to bring their planet/inhabitants to Earth.
I’d opt for that scenario. It keeps the series in line with what we’ve been seeing. We’re not going to have to change the focus to a “V plot” where the aliens are “here.”
I'm with you, I like HARD sci-fi. Where what happens is actually plausible and based on real science. I do not like sci-fi like The Event, where anything the writers want to do is possible "because it's sci-fi".
A good story needs to have rules, and there are NO rules regarding The Event.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
I'm with you, I like HARD sci-fi. Where what happens is actually plausible and based on real science.You do have to realize that is an oxymoron statement.
No, it isn't. I suggest you figure out what an oxymoron actually is. I also suggest you find out what hard sci-fi means.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
I’ll stick to your link.
And it applies well beyond science (something you don’t know) and well beyond Sci-Fi (something else you don’t know).
It applies to ALL storytelling. Not just Sci-Fi.
And, I do recognize an idiot (you) when I see one.
The only explanation for this post is that you were looking in a mirror when you typed it.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
And the mirror replied…
But then again, would you believe it???
Hahah! :D
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You do have to realize that is an oxymoron statement.I laughed so hard! share
True to the point answer my intelligent friend. Good to know that the world is not totally full of idiots and imbeciles.
shareThere is no question of survival. Even if one managed to survive the initial collision(simply impossible), they would slowly die of starvation. Hydroponics wouldn't provide nearly enough food to sustain an entire group of people for even a small portion of the time they would need to spend underground.
So how about putting themselves in stasis chambers outside the Earth orbit for a couple of hundred million years until the rubble reforms into a new plant that eventually becomes inhabitable again. After all, the new plant will still be in the “life zone.”
All things break down over time. Stasis chambers are no different. With nobody to maintain them they would eventually break down and the people inside would die.Looks like you not only don’t understand Sci-Fi, you don’t understand basic science either.
There is no friction in space so things do not break down. The satellites we’ve sent leaving the solar system are going to last forever. They are not going to break down. There’s no corrosion within the vacuum of space either.
There certainly are power issues. So, you resolve that. Solar energy for example. Or, like they did on StarGate Universe (that ship that’s been traveling around for several million years), the ship dives into a star to collect energy.
Stasis chambers in solar orbit powered by solar energy will last as long as the sun and without a moving part in sight to wear out.
Your lack of science is showing:
The International space station is undergoing repairs all the time.They are in Earth orbit where there IS friction that is pulling it down. It’s going to continue.
And no, the satellites we sent out will not last "forever". Everything in the universe has a limited life span. There is not one thing in the entire universe that will continue on forever.I love that statement. Is the universe going to expand forever or collapse on itself? If it expands, those satellites WILL last forever. Maybe in a dead universe but they are still going to be there.
This whole argument is just getting stupid now. Your argument is boiling down to this: In a bid to save the lives of their people, they destroy two planets and go into stasis for millions of years in the hopes that one day one of the planets will be livable again.No. My argument is how I would frame the show going forward. IF I were a writing it…something you are clearly unqualified to do.
Honestly, don't compare anything Stargate to this series. It's insulting to everyone who had anything to do with Stargate.
Do you really think the solar panels would be the entirety of the mechanics involved in making stasis pods? There would be computers and software, both of which break down over time..HUMMM… Why do computers and software breakdown over a period of time???
They are in Earth orbit where there IS friction that is pulling it down. It’s going to continue.
I love that statement. Is the universe going to expand forever or collapse on itself? If it expands, those satellites WILL last forever. Maybe in a dead universe but they are still going to be there.
HUMMM… Why do computers and software breakdown over a period of time???
Gravity isn't friction. And where exactly are you suggesting these stasis pods be kept that they would be totally unaffected by gravity?Good grief!!!
Look it up. Interactions between software often produces errors. Ever used a computer?What kind of software glitches are going occur???
HAha.. So funny people resort to speaking about the person, instead of the case at hand when they know they are wrong.
Like your points, Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land! Funny reading!
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What if it's not a full blown head on collision like everyone is implying here?
shareIt really doesn't matter. Even if it's a glancing blow the impact is still going to be massive enough to kill every living thing. Don't think that the only place affected would be the place that took the impact. There would be a massive shockwave and a wall of fire which would envelop the entire planet.
Massive celestial bodies make BIG impacts when they collide with one another. The bigger the object, the more substantial the impact.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
king_of_bob, after reading both your comments i can only advice yours is a lost cause, i would not waste my time on some brainwashed kid who thinks every electronic man made item works forever lol. i would move on from such stupid argument.
shareProve that statement. It’s a pretty universe for you to be making that type of claim.
Your original statement:
There is nothing in the world that would protect you from the devastation that would occur as a result from a planetary collision.
No, there is nothing in the world that will protect you. How exactly is one meant to prove that? It's not about belief, it's about scientific fact.
I don’t think you’d ever make it as Science Fiction writer.
You won’t…. you’re too pre-occupied.
You’re a self-appointed “expert” who knows nothing about:
1) Storytelling
2) Sci-Fi
3) Science
Question is: Do you even make it as a human?
Coming from the idiot who thinks it's the audiences job to solve plotholes, I'm not bothered.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
The audience’s job is to believe…
I’ve said this all along. I they don’t make you “believe” then they have failed.
What more do you want?
However, YOU are NOT the sole source of they’ve met that target.
Haha! Love how you get the last word, every single time. ;D
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Anything is possible! However, it is improbable.
shareking_of_bob thanks for clearing some of the stupid assumptions made here, a comet hitting earth almost killed all living things which ended up as killing all dinosaurs, if two planets collide there will be no survivors, i can not understand why even question this or having a script that colliding two planets gives birth to a superior being, lazy stupid story writing, i did not enjoy last half of Interstellar due to this reason they did not need to create mumbo jumbo about 5th dimension for film to be successful.
shareI mean, even if the two planets don't collide, there would be massive tidal shifts due to the mass of the two planets acting on each other. There would be chaos on the surface of both planets, and I'm not even talking about the people reacting to a totally new planet appearing in the sky.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they moved their planet here, so they could move their population over to Earth
Once done, they could use the same device to teleport the planet back to where it came from
That, imo, would make more sense
If there's 5 billion? people on their planet, better to move the whole planet, then move everyone by ships.
Now all they'd need to do is open a permanent portal to their world, let everyone cross over, then close it, reopen a larger one and chuck the planet back to it's original system.
how does that make sense in your head, an alien civilisation who has the tech to teleport a WHOLE planet comes to earth instead of creating or traveling to millions of other inhabited planets ??? for an alien civilisation to reach this kind of tech advancement they need to be at least 300 billion in population and if they survive the tech taken over some how, as it would if you did create a AI. they do not need to lift a finger it will all be done by AI. i don't know i think most here needs to go back and watch more sci-fi movies which makes sense not this lazy writing. i hated the second half of Interstellar due to this.
shareWe dont know if they are in collision range. It depends on how fast the orbit is.
shareLet's see... A large planetary body appears between the Earth and the moon, approximating a comparative gravitational judging from it's visual size (and operating under an assumption it is relatively the same size as Earth), and you think this new body is just going to veer off into it's own orbit?
I sometimes wonder what exactly they teach people anymore. An orbit exists, in layman's terms, because the size of the object and it's momentum fights against the gravitational pull of the host object which causes the satellite to move in circular path.
Size, mass, and velocity are all equally important to keep the perfect balance required to keep the object from either veering off or getting pulled in, creating it's orbit (believe me, there's more to it but like I said: layman's terms).
Simply introducing a large planetary body into this equation will completely unravel that delicate balance for all parties involved. Both Planets now pulling on the moon will destroy it's orbit immediately and the two large bodies will immediately start pulling toward each other because everything with mass tends to do that.
If the two bodies were balanced enough around the center of mass (not the center of gravity) then they might start looping around each other but you can imagine what problems that would cause for that fine line required for life as we know it to exist on this planet. It's more likely they'd collide and if a substantial meteor can wipe out a large percentage of life on Earth, imagine what an entire planet would do.
What if they have the techology to reduce an objects gravitational influence on other objects?
Not even sure what it would be called, gravitation nullifier?
Perhaps the portal device also limits the effect the planet has on earth?
Has no one considered that they perhaps brought their planet here just to shorten the range in order to transport all their people/equipment/belongings, etc to earth, then to prevent the earth's annihilation, they would transport their dead world back to where it came from?
shareExcept it would take INFINITELY less energy to transport all the people on the planet via the portal device than it does for the entire planet. Not to mention you still need to ferry them to the new planet. Which will be thrown into chaos thanks to the introduction of a new and massive celestial body into the equation.
You know how the moon affects the tides and plate tectonics(probably not but we'll assume you do)? Well imagine if a new moon, roughly the same mass as Earth, were added out of nowhere. What do you think would happen?
then to prevent the earth's annihilation, they would transport their dead world back to where it came from?
Begs a lot of questions.
Not to mention, why were they traveling in some kind of ship when they came here decades ago? One which conveniently CRASHED?
You're spoiled!
Why didnt they just move the star in to deep space?
I'm getting the word 'Nonce'
Why didnt they just move the star in to deep space?
They would be frozen to death long before the first year ran out.
Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!
Orbiting objects happily move through space with the object they are orbiting.
Every star is in motion.
As long as the change in that motion isn't to drastic, orbiting object will remain in their orbit.
My question is... wasn't the problem that their sun was going super-nova? Then why do they need to take over the Earth? Their planet was MOVED AWAY from the sun
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Even if the planets didn't collide the change in the pull of gravity would be enough to destroy both worlds.
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The whole ending was rushed and muddled. One week they just about have enough energy to move a bus a few miles, then its moving an entire sun across several billion light years.
It was clear the writers were told the show was getting cancelled and thought "What the hell".
The whole mass extermination of the human race story was crap too.
I'm getting the word 'Nonce'
I know this topic has been dead for over a year, but I have to say something.
First of all, don't you hate when people start calling other people names when they do not agree with their opinions? You can just say "I think you are wrong, because..." and leave the "You are an idiot" for someone that really deserves it.
Second: It is probable that writers didn't think the ending through and really transported the whole fraking planet to our Solar System. But more logical would be to see it this way: they didn't transport the planet, they've established a long running, planet-wide portal to their native part od space. What we see in the sky is just an image leaked through the wormhole, not the actual planet in the vicinity of Earth's orbit. Next, they would pobably load their population on some spaceships and transport through the portal to Earth.
The concept of pulling the whole planet is absurd in its core. The mentioned collision would be impossible to avoid. And even if by some mirracle the two worlds wouldn't colide there is a milion other problems. For example, as I understand how gravity works, this amount of mass introduced to our system would not only influance Earth's orbit but also other planets. The new body would have to be injected somewhere between the orbits of Earth and Mars, so that people already on it wouldn't freeze to death (orbit further from the Sun than Mars') or burn to death (nearer than Earth's). In any case, Earth, Mars and the new planet would most probably experience many devastating geological changes due to shifting of their respective orbits, changes in the magnetic fields etc.
OK, stasis pods? Why not. They have the technology to teleport a whole world some 11 MILION light years away so they definatly have to have technology for long running stasis pods or means to develope that king of technology very quickly. So maybe a deep space station with AI caretaker or maybe a group of engineers that are woke up every couple hundred years for maintnance. But what would be the point? With this kind of technology to their disposal they should just terraform Mars - instead of waiting a few millenia for Earth to be habitable again they could make Mars their new home in just a few "short" hundrets of years (waiting meanwhile in their stasis station somewhere deep in space). Unfortunatly that's the least efficient way to avoid extinction. So yeah, they just opened the door, we can see the planet on the other side, which is poluted, radieted and thats why they will soon board spaceships and jump to Earth.
One more thing on the subject of everlasting satelites and other machines in space. There is no friction - true, so the parts wouldn't wear themselves out as quickly. But some of the screws, bolts and cogs will rub against other parts, the inner and outer hull. The process will be much slower, but eventualy it will take its toll. And don't forget about gass particles in deep space, micro asteroid, cosmic rays, solar radiation etc. And there's also enthropy - so a pod left unatended for bilions of years would most probably not survive. And to counter that, things do not "just brake". There's always a reason - space maybe vast but it's not empty - sooner or later during the billion year period something will hit the pod, some parts will wear out due to radiation or gravitational stress caused by nearby celestial objects etc. Remember the first Murphy's law.
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What we see in the sky is just an image leaked through the wormhole, not the actual planet in the vicinity of Earth's orbit.
Yeah, they can move planets, teleport jets, create a small black hole to suck in a building, but they can't break out of prison.
Send lawyers, Glocks, and money!