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This series is hardly more than a string of simulated rutting scenes for people who need vicarious whoopee, tons of overacting, blood-and-gore spilling, and interspersed with bits of faulty history. 1/2 star.
shareThis series is hardly more than a string of simulated rutting scenes for people who need vicarious whoopee, tons of overacting, blood-and-gore spilling, and interspersed with bits of faulty history. 1/2 star.
shareI’m NOT a fan of “The Borgias” but seriously, you’re way too harsh. In my opinion the show is pretty mediocre and surely not without merit; just another pseudo-historical soapy melodrama targeted, in the first place, at a very wide, rather ignorant and not particularly smart audience. The worst part of it is the writing which is imo boring, predictable, uninspired and absolutely unhistorical.
However, the music is good, the costumes are breathtakingly beautiful, the visuals are rich and impressive. And anyway I wouldn’t trash the performers; I believe the most of them are good (and some are VERY good) and they are trying their best with what is given to them. No actor can save a weak script and a lame plot.
“Overacting” is a pretty vague and subjective term I think… often people call one’s acting “bad”, “wooden” or “overdone” for a simple reason: they are not interested in the character and his development/ his plotline. And sometimes you know it’s even simpler: people don’t like one’s face, or nose, or accent and here we are – “what an awful performance!” LOL
“"Overacting” is a pretty vague and subjective term I think… often people call one’s acting “bad”, “wooden” or “overdone” for a simple reason: they are not interested in the character and his development/ his plotline. And sometimes you know it’s even simpler: people don’t like one’s face, or nose, or accent and here we are – “what an awful performance! LOL ""
You're totally right there, over the years I've seen a number of actors labeled as "bad, boring, wooden, over the top" when it transpired it was the character the viewer didn't like, they couldn't get emotionally invested in the character.
I think the acting in The Borgias was pretty good all round, though some actors were stronger than others of course.
Indeed. And sometimes a wooden actor gets cast onto the right role and it fits almost magically - like Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut or Keanu Reeves in Matrix.
It is very difficult to take a production apart to the degree that one knows whose fault it really is. In Episode I of Star Wars, there are some of the finest actors and they fail entirely - due to an extraordinary bad screenplay and George Lucas unbelievably bad directing.
If you think Tom Cruise's acting is wooden you need a head check. Seriously. He's one of the few good actors of his generation that still makes good movies, not lame family comedies like others. He also doesn't play himself, like some legends ended up doing: De Niro, Pacino ...
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
Well, maybe you should bother to check out your eyes and ears, if you seriously cannot see the limits of Tom Cruise.
The fact that you judge his acting by the choice of the genre of the movies he picks already says pretty much all about your expertise. In fact after a short venture into character roles ten years ago, he has become a classic aging action hero, who indeed just plays the same role over and over again. And don't get me wrong - he does this perfect, as this role fits him like a glove. But in no way he does something different from how De Niro and Pacino cash in on their names, which btw does not mean that they play themselfs. Because - and that might surprise you - they are acting and so their image is much different from what they are like in reality.
I judge his acting by his roles and how he plays them. I bet you're one of the people hating him for his religion and other silly reasons. He played a wide range of roles during his career and he was good in all.
Also, if you would have bothered reading my post you would have noticed that I said De Niro and Pacino are playing themselves since they got older. Playing themselves means they're both aging mafia guys in any role. I love them both but this is the sad truth.
It would be nice if you would stop taking things out of context to make them fit your narrow view. If you want to discuss use logic and arguments instead of silly nitpicking.
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
I bet you're one of the people hating him for his religion and other silly reasons.And this is what I wrote before:
And don't get me wrong - he does this perfect, as this role fits him like a glove.
Playing themselves means they're both aging mafia guys in any role.And Cruise keeps playing the marine/agent type in every movie.
Playing themselves means they're both aging mafia guys in any role.So you dislike how old people play old characters. Interesting. Why don't you simply say that you dislike old people?
If you want to discuss use logic and arguments instead of silly nitpicking.If you would bother to bring your arguments into any kind of context instead of blabbering out your opinions as self-righteous as possible, maybe there could be a discussion. But as it seems you never learnt that. share
Let's see what you do here:
Here is my original post in it's context:
I judge his acting by his roles and how he plays them. I bet you're one of the people hating him for his religion and other silly reasons. He played a wide range of roles during his career and he was good in all.
I bet you're one of the people hating him for his religion and other silly reasons.
He played a wide range of roles during his career and he was good in all.
De Niro and Pacino are playing themselves since they got older. Playing themselves means they're both aging mafia guys in any role. I love them both but this is the sad truth.
So you dislike how old people play old characters. Interesting. Why don't you simply say that you dislike old people?
I bet you're one of the people hating him for his religion and other silly reasons.Well, if you can explain how your sentence was actually part of any context. But I doubt you can do that, since it is just one statement with no causal connection to what comes before or after. It just happened to be between two sentences which have nothing to do with it. Even if I would have quoted them as well, the fact, that you forgot what I wrote just one message before, remains.
I said he played varied roles, not only action hero ones, yet you answer me as I never stated this.Yes, because I did that in the previous message, the one you did not read: "In fact after a short venture into character roles ten years ago, he has become a classic aging action hero, who indeed just plays the same role over and over again."
Let me translate this to you: they talk/act like mafia guys regardless of the role. Capisci?Well, first of all: Don't write "They are just playing themselfs" if that is not what you mean. Because if you would mean what you had written, you would have said, that they just play old guys. Which in turn brought me to the conclusion that you dislike that fact.
My arguments are well placed in their contextYou don't know what the word "context" means, right? share
Yes. It really needed more porn.
I understand. Thank you for telling me. -The masked bandit
Jesus O-faced Christ. If human sexuality makes you feel that uncomfortable, maybe you need to consult a therapist or stick to media content that has been rated as safe for small children. Sex is a pretty important aspect of the conditio humana. You can't accurately portray human behavior while leaving out one of the main motivational forces behind it.
shareI think this is a great show and the nudity and sex scenes are very few compared to other historical shows.
And still the scenes look very tasteful.
This series is hardly more than a string of simulated rutting scenes for people who need vicarious whoopee, tons of overacting, blood-and-gore spilling, and interspersed with bits of faulty history. 1/2 star.
Oh dear... as it seems GoT goes right over your head. You entirely miss the depth and an subtile way the main characters are shaped. Everyone has an agenda instead of simply being bad or good, suprising character changes don't happen over night and the deaths are only predictable when you read the reviews before watching the show. It is a series of masterfully constructed stories, adapted in an incredibly smart way. Maybe just too smart for you. "fantasy with ballet instead of duels and cheap CGI" shows that you did not really pay attention. There are some of the fiercest fights ever on that show and the CGI... well... you really have no idea what you are talking about and therefore just went for the usual trope of combining "CGI" with "cheap" in order to write something, right?
That said, the Borgias, while historically not half as accurate as you believe them to be, aren't too bad in constructing season long plots either. I kind of liked how everything got together towards the end of the season and subplots are woven into that concept carefully, showing that the writers have spend some time breaking down the episodes.
Why all of you people have the impression that if a show is loved by the masses it has to be good? There is no depth to any of the characters, everything is predictable. I didn't read any reviews by the way. They always pick the worst choices, all remotely likable characters die like imbeciles after a few episodes. The CGI is cheap considering it looks like parts of a video game inserted into the episodes. The duels are the furthest things from a real sword fight.
If YOU lack the brainpower to notice how all is predictable, that is your problem. GoT is entertainment for the masses. Not the greatest fantasy show in history. There are plenty of series that surpass GoT in all aspects. And they don't need porn to keep their audience.
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
Why all of you people have the impression that if a show is loved by the masses it has to be good?No, it is a good show because it contains brilliantly constructed plots, has nifty dialogues and is very well directed. It is loved by the masses because it is a great show. And disliked by a few who are unable to differentiate for themselfs and therefore prefer to dislike all shows with mass appeal, since usually that is a save bet to pretend to have some indie spirit. Which in this case is just rediculous, since this show does such a lot right, that you basically declear the bankrupty of your own taste if you dislike it for the reasons you stated.
GoT is entertainment for the masses. Not the greatest fantasy show in history. There are plenty of series that surpass GoT in all aspects. And they don't need porn to keep their audience.A show with such a budget has to go for a certain mass appeal. But GoT manages to combine it with a depth unusual for tv productions. While there is the obvious HBO sex scene in pretty much every episode, it is usually woven into the plot in a meaningful way and reveals something about the characters and their relations or is even itself important part of the plot.
Oh, how wrong you are!
I actually watched all seasons hoping that one day it will become better and live up to it's name.
The only good thing is they've cut down the porn fillers a bit.
The characters behave in the same idiotic way, they are cheap when it comes to CG, they barely show the only magical creatures in this so called fantasy, the dragons.
It feels more like medieval soap than fantasy.
Also Bran's story is one of the most boring things I ever saw besides "The Hunger Games". They could have just left him out until he discovers his powers.
Even with all this, I will watch the next season, hoping again this time they will show this greatness everyone talks about. But I doubt this will ever happen.
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
I actually watched all seasons hoping that one day it will become better and live up to it's name.Then I guess you have no good reason for your wrong observations.
The characters behave in the same idiotic wayHow so? Where did someone behave idiotic outside the limits of his character?
they are cheap when it comes to CG, they barely show the only magical creatures in this so called fantasy, the dragons.Ah, so now it is not anymore about how cheap the CGI looks but that it has not enough screentime. Interesting that you ask for more eyecandy while at the same time you pretend that you dislike the tv for the masses. At the same time you directly contradict yourself, as the show is full of CGI which is so real that you cannot even recognize it as CGI. You just made one of the biggest compliments one can make to VFX work - it is so well done that it became invisible. You hate the CGI not for being cheap but for being so well done.
It feels more like medieval soap than fantasy.Read a bit about Great Britains history and you'll find that this soap elements are actually spot on when it comes to describing the struggle for power.
Also Bran's story is one of the most boring things I ever saw besides "The Hunger Games"Wow, now you are just trolling, right? Bran's plot - in the books as well as the show - is hardly my favourite and I like how they cut it down to a reasonable level. But just because The Hunger Games have mass appeal as well, I would hardly try to flaws in another great production.
They could have just left him out until he discovers his powers.So what you are saying is: You don't want characters, you want shallow superheros. Just like you want more dragons.
Taking everything I wrote out of context and nitpicking doesn't help you.
The funniest thing is how you think you're highly intelligent because you think this is a masterpiece. An intelligent person would have seen the truth behind my complaints. Or at least would have tried.
You have no clue how good CG looks.
Calling ThG another great production tells loads about your taste in movies.
I rest my case.
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
Taking everything I wrote out of context and nitpicking doesn't help you.As you just throw out single sentences as statements without bothering to argue how you get to this opinion, there is little context to begin with.
The funniest thing is how you think you're highly intelligentSo your lack of observation is not limited to tv shows, also your reading comprehension sucks. Did I write anywhere about me being intelligent at all? I think not.
An intelligent person would have seen the truth behind my complaints.Oh, now you blame everyone else for not being able to understand your incoherent blabbering about things you have no idea of... I tried, seriously. I even asked questions, none of which you answered.
You have no clue how good CG looks.Given that it is part of my job, I can assure you - I know exactly how well made CGI looks. I have explained why I think that and in a way you agreed without admitting you agree. But just keep on trolling.
Calling ThG another great production tells loads about your taste in movies.Yes, it says that I can admire solid production work on a middle budget level combined with a well crafted script dealing with the given limits while well managing the task of adapting a book which easily could fill more screentime than available, even though I am not even the target group.
You seem to think that you're some sort of god in movie making and your opinion is the absolute truth. It's not. It is just a biased personal opinion, like mine. I understand we have different points of view but you keep ignoring what I'm telling you and nitpick by taking my words out of context. It's been fun but it becomes boring. Go watch the popcorn flicks you call masterpieces, I am done with this. It's like talking to a brick wall.
P.S. fanboy = A fan who is obsessive about a particular subject (especially, something or someone in popular entertainment media)
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
You seem to think that you're some sort of god in movie making and your opinion is the absolute truth.And once more you just come up with things you made up. See, this is how a discussion never can be fruitful. I tell you why I think what I write and you just keep whining around because I don't agree to single sentences with little more content than stating unfounded opinions.
you keep ignoring what I'm telling you and nitpick by taking my words out of contextThere is no context. You write single sentences about everything and the only context available is what you wrote before. So I am staying very much true to this context and when you happen to contradict your own posts, maybe you should look for the mistake on your side and not accuse the people pointing that out.
Go watch the popcorn flicks you call masterpiecesStrange, I did not mention a single movie qualifying as a popcorn flick. Unlike you I am not the one who calls for more CGI dragons and superpowers. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Uh, you have more idea about the subject I was talking about, you must be a fanboy.Yes, of course, the old white flag of people running out of arguments. I am indeed a fanboy of great movie making as such, not limited to a single show or a movie. I don't mind if the masses like a production as well. Unlike you I am not a drained dog which merely acts on conditioning. share
The Borgias is a good show, it has great casting and atmosphere. ALso most of it stays true to history as well
What I have seen so far is true to history regarding the main aspects: how he got to be Pope,his family, his affair with Julia Fornese, his sons. I haven't finished the series yet, I am only at the last episodes of season 1.
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
What I have seen so far is true to history regarding the main aspects: how he got to be Pope,his family, his affair with Julia Fornese, his sons. I haven't finished the series yet, I am only at the last episodes of season 1.
I wasn't actually looking for an accurate historical series, fiction doesn't bother me. I wanted something full of intrigues and with great atmosphere. So far it gives me everything I wished for. The bits of history that are true just make me read some actual history, I would say is a win-win situation :)
Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam
Everyone can enjoy what he/she wants to enjoy, surely.
NO historical series is completely accurate: it’s not only virtually impossible but also needless, imo.
I don’t mind some change or inventions here and there, either. On the contrary. Although for my personal taste Neil Jordan went way too far in The Borgias.
But I really dislike it when people are saying “This show is true to history”... because it is just so obviously NOT.
The bits of history that are true just make me read some actual history, I would say is a win-win situation :)
By the way, not a fan of GoT either. Maybe it's the best show on TV but I lost interest somewhere in S2 when I realize I couldn't care less about any of the characters or what happened to them.
@ pammahl
Depends on what you want/are able to see/understand.
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