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Really fun and I had low expectations


I didn't like the demo when I first played it but I found myself going back to it and playing to improve my score even though it's only a limited amount of enemies and not the full game. I then caved and brought the game and am not disappointed. I loved all the little jokes and references that were made through out the game.

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I'm only through the first verse, but I'm really liking it so far.

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Come on, it's crap.
Overly long cut scene, 3 mins of medicore "gameplay", overly long cut scene, 3 mins of medicore "gameplay". Rince and repeat.

This is not a game.
No skill required just button bashing and only apeal is if you are a pre-pubecent boy.
Really "Let's have a strong female lead...but then have close up shots of her cleavage and arse".
And what happens when you do special moves...yeah, he clothes come off.
Let's be honest, it's just softcore titillation for teenage boys with some medicore "gameplay" thrown in to attempt to masquerade this as a "game".

Shame gaming has come to this.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he is God.

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"Shame gaming has come to this."

this game is more like traditional gaming than most of the stuff that comes out these days.



"Overly long cut scene, 3 mins of medicore "gameplay", overly long cut scene, 3 mins of medicore "gameplay". Rince and repeat."

you mean;
awesome long cut scene, 3 mins of amazing gameplay, awesome long cut scene, 3 mins of amazing gameplay. Rinse and repeat.

i corrected your spelling of "rince" for you as well : )


Were you a baaaaad daddy?
B.B. Gunn

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i haven't played darksiders, but (and obviously, this is just my opinion) bayonetta is amazing.

i've just started playing on hard and i'm loving it.
it's been ages since a game has kept me desperate to get home from work to play it, even after i've had it for a couple of weeks.

(and i didn't even like devil may cry)


Were you a baaaaad daddy?
B.B. Gunn

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There are a couple of chapters that are entirely boss fights so if you quit you can start off fighting the boss. However I tried to play through until I finished a chapter because from my experience (unless I missed something) there are no checkpoints if you cut off the game you will have to start the entire chapter over I believe. However if you are still playing if you finish a verse it gives you a rating and if you die after that it won't make you start all over I guess that's somewhat a checkpoint but don't cut it off because it won't save again this is from my experience I apologize if I'm wrong.

i've just started playing on hard and i'm loving it.


I just started on hard as well I absolutely hate those Grace and Glory *beep* or whatever they are called man I was pissed when they kept on showing up in the wrong spots lol. I want to open and attempt to beat infinite climax so I can try out pillow talk but if I have to fight a bunch of them like it seems you have to don't think that will happen. That no witch time is gonna be my downfall.

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yeah, G&G are basterds (as tarantino would spell it).

do you have the moon of something or other (the item gives you the block/counter ability)?
if not, you should get it, it can be useful against G&G.

from what i have heard, i don’t think infinite climax is much harder than "hard", you just don't have witch time, which (witch) would make things trickier, but not too much. hopefully.

the game is so much fun though, that i just play for the enjoyment of improving my skills. i don't have my eyes on infinite climax, i just know i'll get there eventually.


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"However I tried to play through until I finished a chapter because from my experience (unless I missed something) there are no checkpoints if you cut off the game you will have to start the entire chapter over I believe."

Whenever the 'saving' text comes up at the bottom of the screen, that means you've reached a checkpoint, and you can quit out of the game, and return at that point later on. It would be a pain if you couldn't use mid-chapter checkpoints!

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The save system isn't obvious.

It auto-saves a checkpoint quite regularly, and says so in the corner. If you die and choose to continue, you will go back to the last checkpoint. If you choose not to continue, you're abandoning the chapter, and will go back to the chapter menu, keeping any halos or upgrades. (You might choose not to continue if you were aiming for a good award for the chapter - each death+continue drops you down one award level from what you would otherwise have scored by averaging the verse medals).

If you quit back to the title menu (or quit the game directly), you can continue from the auto-saved last checkpoint later by selecting Play->Continue.

If you choose to quit back to the chapter menu, you're abandoning this chapter. That's a common player error. Don't do it, quit to title menu instead.

From the chapter menu, you can save the current position to a save slot. So you can only perform manual loads and saves in-between chapters, but you can resume from auto-save mid-chapter.

What you can't do mid-chapter is go to play a different part by selecting "new game" or "load game" - that will overwrite the sole auto-save slot, and hence your mid-chapter progress.

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"this is not a game"

wtf, this game is not crap. you are.

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This game kind of reminded me of God of War game series, its pretty good fun but the cut scenes get in the way some times although unlike the God of War series you have the option to skip the cinematics.

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Grace & Glory are bad enough but have you come across Gracious & Glorious yet? They're totally similar but they're gold in colour and you can't use witchtime on them. Now they are total bs@rds!

This game is the most amazingly mental gameplay that makes God of War look tame by comparison. Like you OP I wasn't immediately won over by the demo but it stuck in my brain and I found myself downloading it again to have another go. Before long I was replaying it over and over obsessively and just had to buy the bleedin' thing!

It is the most amazing brawler ever made. If you think of God of War as an easily accessible game then Bayonetta is the hardcore gamers dream. It's about twenty times harder that God of War so it's not for kids or pussies. The game is faultless on the XBox. (Note: On the PS3 I hear it's not worth buying because it's slow and buggy)
Only one problem with the game really: The cut-scenes.
For one, they are rather cheap looking and are done mostly with static shots. Worse than that though they are over-long and convey one of the worst computer game stories of all time! I mean it's really bad! The witch-lore is explored marvellously well with brilliant concepts and ideas but they are fronted with the most eye-gougingly boring plot involving an irritating love interest and an even more irritating little girl who keeps insisting that Bayonetta is her 'mummy'. While the game's cut-scenes become increasingly focused on these two major irritations the plot gets increasingly confused, loses focus on what the game is about, i.e. ripping the guts out of angels and sending them to hell.

I can mostly forgive it though because they've put so much effort into making the most amazing brawler ever created and despite the awful plot I can't recommend it highly enough!

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You want to talk about a brawler/beat em up for the hard core gamer? Play God-Hand.

I wasn't interested in Bayonetta at ALL when it came out. I thought it was ridiculous pandering to the image of a stereotype gamer. To a degree I am correct about this. But once I found out it was made by Clover Studio (now Platinum Games) I had to check it out. The man who made Bayonetta stated that God Hand was the game he made where they let him do anything he wanted. If you like the absurdity of Bayonetta, you will love God Hand. Plus, it's super tough. Right out of the gate you WILL die a few times. You won't be expecting a super tough mini-boss monster to just pop out of one of the first bad guys you fight. (unless you read this!)

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I do enjoy this game a lot but I still cannot fathom to this day why it got a 10/10 score by Edge. Their standards must be slipping.

Don't get me wrong - it is good and if there was no Devil May Cry or God Hand then it may well have deserved the high mark... But I've just seen it all before - only this time its done in a skirt (or catsuit!)

On a side note, camped up Japanese pop versions of 'Fly Me To The Moon' are just not acceptible - on any level (pun intended). I HAVE to turn off the music on this game.








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Dude, honestly I love that music. I felt it fit the game very well as a central theme. It's even stuck in my head from time to time.
As for getting a 10? I can see how someone might say that. I'm pretty stingy with my reviews, and I have trouble even thinking of what titles could be a 10. But I can see it.
Just because a title isn't 100% original doesn't mean it doesn't merit a high score. How many Zelda games are there that are EXACTLY the same, but consistently receive high scores? For its type, I think this game nailed it in all the right ways. I think the moves and combos are smoother than the typical type of game like those you mentioned (definitely smoother than God Hand). I also thought the story was pretty good, and certainly above the mark that the other two games set,

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no...no...no... the music is a huge put-off. unless you're twelve.
There's something disturbing about hacking off limbs to music that sounds like it belongs on the Teletubbies.
And considering the Storyline is aimed at a more mature audience, it seems like a blatant mis-hit (music wise) and the producers or whoever else was responsible for the soundtrack clearly not understanding the European and American market.

Please don't tell me it's intentional - I know it is - but I don't want to listen to it because I'm not twelve. Or Japanese.


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Don't be a dick.
And Teletubbies? Really? Nice 14 year old reference.
If you think this game was aimed at a mature audience, you obviously don't get it. It's aimed at adults, but not mature ones.
And don't fault a game made by the Japanese for including elements that could be enjoyable to the Japanese. This isn't God of War, don't expect it to be.

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Nice retort - backed by references and counterpoints. Insightful even... I'm a dick because I don't appreciate infantile music? No accounting for taste I suppose.
Since when does the age of the reference matter? Should I have said Sesame Street so everyone knows the reference or is that too old too?!?!

Adult = 18. 16,17 (kind of alongside the actual certirficate it got) if you're stretching it. And yes I'm using a 14 year old reference because I am an adult and was hoping to have a debate with another one too, but if you're too young for the reference then its clearly you who doesn't get it.

The mature language in the game indicates its clearly NOT suitable for children. If you allow your children to listen to all the cussing then it doesn't reflect well on ones parenting skills. Not only that, the very ideas of the game tip good and evil on their head with the protagonist ripping apart Angels for gods sake. I'm an aetheist btw, but even I see that the subject matter is morally grey.

Again, I KNOW its a Japanese game, and I'm not suggesting you change the gameplay, but the soundtrack could easily have been switched for overseas and should have been, to fit the market it was in. We have to accomodate the creators? Why? They want our money!!!It really would have been a very minor change to the game that should not annoy the game developers at all.

No it clearly isn't God of War or DMC. Its the b*stard step daughter of it and although more refined than its predecessors it is still a pretender to the throne.


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See? That wasn't so hard. You were totally not a dick in your response this time. I called you a dick because I said I liked it, and you came straight out the gate saying that anybody who likes it is obviously a child. Dickish.
Now, I didn't say it wasn't for adults. I meant it wasn't for children, which is different. This game is ridiculous, in a great way. But obviously you have to have a somewhat sense of juvenility to enjoy many elements of it. Haha maybe -I- didn't get it because I just couldn't take so many elements of the game seriously. Maybe they were being dead serious, and I just didn't fall into it. I suppose it doesn't matter, because to each their own, right? I enjoyed it for A, you enjoyed it for B, and it only matters that we both liked it. I loved the music. I have a great appreciation for Japanese style. I'm not an otaku, I certainly am not obsessed with Japan in particular, but what I like is for cultures to be represented properly. I wouldn't want a Japanese style game to try and cater to a different audience, as I wouldn't want any foreign cinema to try and be something else- I never use dubbing for movies. I mean, imagine God of War being ported to Japan, and having J-pop in that game.. barf)
There is a place for everything properly, and yes, they want their money. It seems like the music didn't actually ruin your entire experience of the game, and I feel you have to take it how they give it. Honestly, I couldn't imagine what other type of music they could have used to fit the scenes that used it.
(and dude, Teletubbies is still a weird reference)

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