Can anyone understand Turo?
A lot of the dialog is hard to follow in this series but Turo is impossible. Why would any director allow such a thick accent?
shareA lot of the dialog is hard to follow in this series but Turo is impossible. Why would any director allow such a thick accent?
shareWhy would any director allow such a thick accent?
Its too far into the style over substance category as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't describe someone who wasn't willing to turn on the CC to be able to understand what a character is saying as being limited in what they are willing to accept. Just because he's based on a real person doesn't make it good TV
shareJust because he's based on a real person doesn't make it good TV
I didn't think it was bad I thought it had great potential with Milch and Mann but I found several things in the first few episodes which just didn't work Turo's accent being 1 of them I thought things improved quite a bit around ep 5 and was turning into a good show. I certainly never had a problem expressing what I didn't like so I'm not sure if you were lumping me in that group. If we were talking about JFC then yes I hated every episode of that one but kept watching out of pure curiosity to see if it went anywhere. Personally I think a lot of this type of discussion is lost on you because you had already decided this show was a masterpiece 6 months before the first episode aired. Aside from a couple of obvious anti Milch trolls I'd say you probably have the the least objectivety of anyone on this board.
shareWho said anything about objectivity? I happen to believe David Milch is brilliant, and I loved Deadwood and I loved Luck. So what?
Yes, I think David Milch is a genius, yes, I go into his shows expecting brilliance, but I don't think everything Milch does is great; John From Cincinnati had more flaws than positives in my opinion. I don't believe I've ever had a good thing to say about JFC other than I liked some of the cast. My main complaint about JFC was I felt like David Milch needed somebody to rein him in. I watched it because I'm a fan of David Milch and I enjoyed a lot of the dialogue and certain turns of phrase ("I don't know Butchie instead") and that sort of thing, but felt the rest of it was a self-indulgent muddle. So in that respect I suppose I have just explained to myself why some people can watch shows they aren't crazy about - HA! Thanks to you for helping me see that. Anyway, JFC seemed like Milch Gone Wild to me and it didn't surprise me or disappoint me when it was canceled. I watched the season one time hoping I would somehow get to like it but I never did, and have never revisited it since, and have never bought the DVDs. Maybe some day when nothing else is on TV and I'm laid up in bed or something I'll watch JFC again to see what I may have missed the first time. I know it has its fans.
I don't feel the same way about Luck at all. I think Luck was beautifully crafted, visually and story-wise, and can't wait to watch it over again from the beginning, immediately.
I understand why Turo's accent was the way it was; I liked it, I thought it was funny and endearing, and I thought John Ortiz was one of the best things about Luck. Since Turo and his accent were modeled upon a real person, I explained it in my post.
I understand I can come across as caustic at times and I apologize for my attitude to people who don't expect it, even though I doubt I will change it any time soon. It's probably because I spend too much time reading about Luck and I go into overload on negative posts. I just get so aggravated with people who seem angry that Luck isn't the show they think it should be. It never promised to be anything other than what it is, and created by Milch and Mann, it is exactly what anyone who knows them would expect it to be.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled by the last priest
Tell 'em, Mrs. Swearingen. Tell 'em.
shareMaybe Milch likes his characters to be real people instead of diluting them to appease the ignorant.
"Sometimes it amazes me how limited people's abilities are to accept things they aren't used to when they watch television."
- and yet, the series was cancelled due to poor ratings.
Do the math.
and yet, the series was cancelled due to poor ratings.
Regardless of the official reasons for the cancellation.... you cannot ignore the shows terrible ratings.
I contribute the terrible ratings to how slow the series started out. They definetly blew it.
The Wire had poor ratings throughout its time on the air, and in some seasons much worse than Luck.
Nobody ever wants to listen to reason when people try to explain how little "ratings" matter in the world of premium cable when it presents a niche show. HBO is about subscriptions, not numbers of viewers per each show. They don't expect certain shows to knock it out of the ballpark with viewership, and they understand if a show finds cult status among a niche audience then the money will come later down the road with domestic and worldwide DVD sales when avid fans buy the box sets, and word of mouth spreads to people who never watched when it aired. They did this (and are still doing it) with Deadwood, The Wire, and many other of their best TV dramas which never did that well when they aired.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled by the last priest
Hbo is a out the number os subscriptions, not the number of viewers???
No *beep* but the more viewers mean more people actually like the show and that means they will likely get more subscriptions/ keep subscriptions.
You argument makes it no logical sense. Sure the wire was a hit afterwards and made serious accolades, but you can't say low ratings for luck are an actual good thing no mater how you put it.
My argument is that HBO canceled Luck because of the bad publicity started by PETA and propagated by gossip sites and entertainment sites like TMZ. The bad PR went viral and HBO figured they couldn't fight the spreading bad publicity. They weren't willing to deal with the PR and media sh!tstorm and obviously couldn't see a way they could come out of the fight intact, so they cut their losses and dropped it.
And I never meant to imply that low ratings are "good". I meant that compared to network television, they are unimportant when it comes to premium cable. Viewership numbers aren't and never have been an important criterion when HBO produces its best quality dramas like The Wire, Deadwood, or Luck (to give three examples, but there are countless others).
Despite people's desire to make it be about ratings, there is no proof or reason to believe that viewership was the reason HBO killed Luck in the middle of filming the 2nd episode of Season 2. Viewership wasn't as bad as a lot of shows on HBO. The 2nd Season had been green-lighted, filming was underway, and every person involved expected the 2nd Season to be completed.
Canceling Luck was enormously expensive to HBO; major creative staff, actors' and crew members' contracts still had to be honored, the racetrack had to be compensated, and animals needed to be cared for. HBO has gone on to sponsor the care of the horses left stranded by the cancelation. They're spending multi-millions on canceling the show. It's not something they just decided to do simply because it wasn't as popular as Game of Thrones. They knew it never would be; it was never that kind of show.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled by the last priest
Don't have any actual numbers but I think The Wire's budget was significantly lower than Lucks.
shareIn answer to your original question and thread title
No I couldnt understand one word.
I understood every second word spoken by Nick Nolte's character
Its a good thing the only time I recall these two sharing screen time was when they drew stall numbers out of a hat. They didnt converse and the more I look at this objectivley it was some bizarre
direction to make a huge amount of the dialogue inaudible with the viewer left with the thought what the **** did he just say!
You ask why watch whole series through? It was on my sky+ after recording it. Watched it when there was absolutley nothing else on and able to fast forward ad breaks making the time spent watching about 35 minutes per episode. Vainfully I hoped it would get better
It didnt.
I thought the whole series was rubbish. I had no empathy with any character and it was just to simplistic. Being a huge racing fan and someone who also likes continuity in productions If I were to pick holes in the whole thing I'd be here all day. Seriously.
Example, the young kid jockey who was eight stone soaking wet who was overweight sitting at the bar with the pro jockey who could make weight for the same ride and looked 2 stone heavier... Oh my word come on