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Can someone explain the ending to me?? O.o


I don't understand.. When Kyon is stabbed and the Mikurus surround him, the person that stands above him is HIM? JUST EXPLAIN THE ENDING TO ME!! >.<

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Edit: I just watched the HD version and I thought it was Koizumi who saved him because of the hair but now I heard his voice clearly and sounded more like Kyon.

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He went back in time to use the dart gun thingie on Nagato, erasing the entire timeline.

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Is that from the manga?

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Haruhi is a series of light novels, the manga just like the movie and the anime is derived from them.

In a later story Kyon asks Ashina to transport himself and Yuki back in time to the 18 December. Yuki saves his former self, Asahina sobs at his other body along with her older self, and he then picks up the gun and shoots the other Yuki.

Did this make you more or less confused ;-)

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I got confused as well as why there was a future kyon there to shoot the yuki.
How is there a future kyon if assuming the first ever kyon had to experience similar events but died at the end where he gets stabbed by that girl that tried killing him once before since there wouldn't be a kyon from the future to come back and save him?

Weird question, but that is what I thought when I saw the movie where he was fainting and Future kyon told him to go to sleep.

Any thoughts?

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Well that's a time paradox ain't it. Haha.

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Kyon says at the end that he still has to go back in time with Mikuru and Yuki to restore the world, but he'll wait until he's ready. He still has to go back and reprogram the Yuki from Dec. 18th, and probably get one of the girls to push him down the stairs.

It's gotta suck to be Kyon...
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But at least he's having fun right?

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He has to go back and save himself and also inject Yuki with the needle.






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My boyfriend and I have watched this movie a few times now and this question still bothers us. We've rewatched this part in a couple different formats (subbed, dubbed, etc.) trying to collect all the information to explain how this scenario works. If he's supposed to be saved by Yuki, Mikuru, and himself from the future, what stops Asakura in the first place? How does he survive the initial attack to return to this moment and save himself?

In the closing of the movie he specifically states that he, Mikuru, AND Yuki have to go back to that moment and save him. So, who saves him the first time, because surely she would've killed him had no one stepped in. And if Adult Asahina had anything to do with it, then why would Yuki, Mikuru and Kyon have to come back at all?

They said that he *had* to get stabbed, but they never explained why. So, what was the whole point of that scene? After Kyon is stabbed, Adult Asahina alludes that she "knew this (Kyon getting stabbed) would happen", but for what purpose? It would've made sense if Yuki needed to witness the attack to possibly revert the change she just made on the world, but that theory is nullified if future Yuki tags along with Mikuru and Kyon to save him. So, after all that I'm left with these questions: why did Kyon need to be stabbed and how was it possible he survived the initial attack to be able to return to December 18th to save himself from being murdered by Asakura?

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I found this on another forum:

"The Reverse Grandfather Paradox: When time travel is involved, cause and effect tend to get muddled. Say you remember being involved in an accident as a child, and would have died if not for the intervention of a mysterious stranger who showed up, saved your life and then vanished without a trace. Then you become a time traveler and find yourself at the scene of the accident, and there's a little kid who needs saving. That's right: you happen to be the mysterious rescuer. Instead of accidentally making your time travel unnecessary or impossible by meddling with the past, your meddling somehow made it possible in the first place. But then the question becomes how you originally survived to time-travel and save yourself— and thus the paradox, since you would die as a child, and thus could not time-travel back as an adult. This also precludes a Multiverse explanation, since both child and rescuer-adult occupy the same timeline and universe, if the child has a childhood-memory of being rescued by the adult-self."

Basically, using that theory, it's possible because it was always meant to happen. Kyon from the future was always supposed to save himself on December 18th, and thus saying the future already exists. That's the ONLY way this makes any sense...

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Ugh, but that doesn't make any sense either as if future Kyon was always meant to save himself he would've never experienced the alternate reality in the first place. Ugh, now I'm even more confused!

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It's actually quite simple if you think about it.

The person who saves Kyon is Kyon himself because it was his decision to choose whether to affirm or to deny the reality of Haruhi and Yuki.

If Kyon chose not to fire the antidote. Then the reality where he is stabbed would not have occurred. The movie isn't about Haruhi or Kyon for that matter. It's about Yuki, the one who was mostly neglected for much of the series.

For Asakura to stab Kyon is for him to experience the pain that Yuki suffers as someone who is ignored.

Ultimately, he survives the attack by affirming the reality he exists in... because that reduces the entire incident to a coma fantasy which he is ultimately forced to accept. The final scene with him and Yuki, is about him acknowledging the emotional struggles that Yuki, the rational divine being has to go through.

If you look at the alternate reality, the one without Haruhi, you'd notice that most of the characters in it appeared to be dead and morose. That condition is analogous to the one that Haruhi was in while unconscious after 'slipping and falling after being pushed by the phantom/ghost [asakura]'... the dead world, the one without imagination, the one without Nagato.

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What was the final scene after the credits in the library about?

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I think the boy may have been helping the girl get a library card, alluding to the way human Yuki and Kyon met. Normal Yuki's reaction, raising the book to her face, could be an indication that she still has feelings about that first meeting.

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One fan's interpretation is that Yuki holding the book to her face is to symbolize she is happy about what she is seeing b/c it reminds her of that moment with Kyon in the alternate universe. Books bring Yuki happiness, so when she holds it up to hide her mouth, the book is actually a smile for her. I thought that was pretty clever.



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It's "quite simple" yet you have to write numerous paragraphs to explain it. 

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