MovieChat Forums > Mortal Engines (2018) Discussion > Moving cities??? How does that make any ...

Moving cities??? How does that make any sense?


This looks like the megaflop no one was asking for. The cheesy looking CGI is probably enough, but the pure stupidity of the premise is the clincher.

reply

It looks like a drug dream. Moving cities only makes sense when they float on water or in air, but on giant tank treads? Give me a break! And "eating other cities" to survive? Seriously?

reply

The sheer bonkers audacity of it is kinda fun. It's definitely (mostly) a brain-off kinda film, but the look of the movie and the feel of the world are cool. The dialogue is rubbish.

reply

'Traction Cities are vast metropolises built on tiers that move on gigantic wheels or caterpillar tracks. These cities hunt smaller cities (in order to tear them apart for resources and fuel) which in turn hunt towns which in turn hunt villages and static settlements. This practice is known as Municipal Darwinism, which was a philosophy created by then chief engineer of London Dr. Crumb and is based on the evolutionary theories of the ancient philosopher Charles Darwin.'

Think of Steampunk and you get this movie and/or games. They're great stuff. All about dem gears.

reply

Why is it necessary to have entire cities mobile? What advantages are there? How are these massive vehicles fueled? It would seem much easier and more efficient to just have raiding parties made up of armed soldiers

reply

there you go again , just thinking too sensibly.

reply

Why is it necessary to have entire cities mobile? What advantages are there? How are these massive vehicles fueled? It would seem much easier and more efficient to just have raiding parties made up of armed soldiers


That would make way too much sense!

reply

They are fuelled by consuming other towns and cities. They move so that they can consume other cities and move on to the next one.

How are raiding parties going to transport all the materials in the city to their power plant in a remote location. It makes more sense to move the city to where the resources are and consume them on the move.

reply

I understand the premise it’s just absolutely and completely ludicrous

reply

Something like Lord of the rings is less so?

reply

Yes, because LOTR is Fantasy, and this drivel purports to be Science Fiction, but the science is nonsensical.

reply

That is semantics and bullshit. They are both films that made up based on fiction novels. *shrug*

reply

The LOTR universe has "magic" , The walking cities movie purports do do its thing with the laws of physics being the same as our reality, hence:

the premise is just absolutely and completely ludicrous

reply

It’s neither semantics nor bullshit. It’s an understanding of different well-defined literary fiction genres. You’ve obviously never read the publication, The Magazine of Fantasy AND [emphasis added] Science Fiction.

reply

The idea is ludicrous. How could such places feed their populations, you can't put farms on wheels! How could they afford enough fuel to move a place that size, how could fuel be mined when oil and coal stay in one place and the population is all moving? What kind of platform do you place an entire city on that wouldn't buckle? What happens when you try to drive a city over a landscape that can't support something of that weight, like peat or limestone karst that's prone to sinkholes? How does a city on wheels cross a mountain range or a river?

Really, if anyone wanted to hide from bigger cities, all they'd have to do is live on ground that couldn't support something of that weight, or is too steep for its engines to climb.

reply

They do, that is what the wall is for. Those who live beyond it live there to escape the Traction Cities. The continents have all been flattened, either by geological events following the 60-second war, or from hundreds of years of Traction Cities flattening everything.

EDIT - Forgot to add, captured people are either enslaved or reduced to proteins and eaten. The market where the old woman was auctioned was supposed to clarify that, but I am pretty sure the script-writers chickened out and left out the cannibalism intentionally.

reply

Okay... so all the mountain ranges have been flattened, but a man-made WALL is enough to keep the cities on wheels out?

Look, I'm all for willing suspension of disbelief, but there's a limit.

reply

:-). What can I tell ya, it's a really big wall! Kind of like the Game of Thrones wall holding back the White Walkers, it is described at over 1000 feet tall. At least one thing they did well in the movie, when London's engines are destroyed and the city comes to a halt before it hits the wall, even the half-destroyed wall absolutely towers over London. I am not sure crashing into it would have had the desired effect, probably would simply have destroyed London.

reply

This movie doesn't really sound like something I'd enjoy.

Sure, if I like a movie I can make myself believe in dragons, magic, aliens, telepathy and foretelling, superheroes, faster-than-light travel, dynamite that doesn't harm roadrunners, and The Force, but the idea that these predatory cities would still be going in an era when it's possible to build city-proof walls... is too silly even for me.

reply

There is only 1 city-proof wall, just like The Wall in Game of Thrones. It's massive, towers over London. There are permanent cities (non-moving) behind it. Yeah, the movie isn't great, I wouldn't recommend it. The dialog is cheesy and filled with cliches, there are many moments when you just shake your head and wonder how the script writers could have included such bad lines. But the special effects are terrific, the CGI is top notch, and the least of the problems with the movie are the predatory cities. I found they were very well done, even if the idea is far-fetched.

reply

It sounds like the sort of movie I'd watch if it came on TV and absolutely nothing else was on.

Just because a movie is bad doesn't mean it can't be fun, possibly in ways the filmmakers never intended. But paying money to see it? Nuh-uh!

reply

How long was the 60 second war?

reply

Yeah, and how long was the first?

reply

Some say it was 30 seconds but I am not sure.

reply

Don't know. Same length as the 61 previous wars?

reply

Did they last 60 seconds as well?

reply

All excellent questions. So many odd things about the premise that they’d probably be better off just not mentioning the entire “mobile cities” aspect in trailers. They seem to be using it as a main selling point for some reason

reply

Honestly, it sounds like the author decided that the science of geology was inconvenient and got in the way of the story, so he or she decided to pretend it didn't exist.

Mountain ranges all gone somehow!

reply

The movie was based off a series of 4 books. The world had engaged in the 60-second war, which devastated the Earth leading to massive geological upheaval. Mountains were flattened, volcanos formed everywhere, earthquakes were common. An engineer named Nicholas Quirke (that's why the money is called Quirkes) decided the only way humanity would survive is by building massive treads under cities so that they could move around to avoid the geological events, but also take over neighbouring cities and consume what resources they had left. The whole idea of "Municipal Darwinism" where one city "eats" another is unsustainable, which led to the creation of the Anti-Traction League where permanent cities have banded together to try to get rid of the Traction Cities. Even the name indicates the current state of affairs is not sustainable, the massive city Engines are Mortal, they will die unless they can keep chasing down smaller cities and consuming them. Eventually, of course, they will run out of other cities to eat. Everyone is worried about this, but no one in the bigger cities (London) wants to do anything about it while they live on the biggest bully on the block.

It is not really meant to make sense from a "is that even possible?" point of view. You have to remember the action takes place thousands of years in the future, engines, platforms, and city-sized treads have all been made possible by advances in science. It's steampunk science fiction, you simply have to accept a few leaps of faith for the story to work. All that being said, it is just too bad that the script was so weak in the movie. It was nothing but 2 hours of old cliches, Sweet Valley High style romances, and predictable outcomes. The premise was there, it could have been so much more.

reply

These books weren't written by a Brit, were they? They haven't written a good sci-fi novel since H.G. Wells. This sounds on par with those awful books written by Douglass Adams and Terry Pratchett. Creative, inventive, but really badly put together.

And for the record, I have read many good steampunk stories, and none of them were on this level of bad story-writing. Geological events caused by humans in the future? Give me a break! Usually that's on the same level as aliens that can sculpt or move entire planets. Steampunk can't usually think in any direction beyond earth's surface in an alternate-history pseudo-Victorian setting. Sorry, but that BS doesn't work for me.

reply

You lost me at "awful books written by Douglas Adams". I LOVED Hitchhikers guide when I was a kid. Read that trilogy over and over. Mortal Engines is a very entertaining read, it's too bad your prejudices against English sci-fi writers will force you to miss out on it.

reply

It would help if they actually could write anything good. So you like suspending your disbelief into fantasy territory. Don't worry, lots of people are remedial like that. Doesn't mean I have to read about the drug dreams of people who hate tradition and logic.

reply

Hahahaha, the implication there is that you have read them all, and found them wanting. Whereas the truth of it is, you have read none of them and are discrediting an entire nation of great storytellers because you are bigoted. How about Liesel Schwarz, Jaine Fenn, or Malorie Blackman? No, never heard of them? What a surprise. Or perhaps a little more well known author, Arthur C Clarke? All British!

reply

Ah, another pretentious, self-important individual who sees his preferences as the only ones any intelligent person would like and anything else is "remedial;" people of limited intellect who should stay out of important work and discussions. The signs are clear and render you unfit for human conversation.

reply

You could not pay me to finish either reading or watching Hitchhikerer’s Guide To The Galaxy. She’s missing out on nothing worthwhile. It’s like “missing out” on a Monty Python sketch.

Not for nothing, but Hitchhiker’s is possessive, not plural; but then, you understand English. Oh, wait a minute . . .

AmriGirl26, two days ago someone whom I respect very much told me she had spotted a new intelligent poster, and that you were she. I, not surprisingly, agree. Most welcome.

I’m with you and Otter on this one.

So you know, as you very likely do already, there are a lot of MovieChat posters who are lucky to have their GED degrees, which Chris Rock defined as the “good-enough degree.”

reply

Just to be pedantic as hell (because I am just trying to fit in), not for nothing, but I don't know what a "Hitchhikerer" is, but then, you understand English. Oh, wait a minute . . . You should be proud of your GED degree, going back and finishing after all that time. Well done!

And yes, not reading Hitchhiker's is just like missing out on a Monty Python sketch! Great stuff! Unfortunate you can't appreciate the humour. I'm afraid this post has rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible.

reply

Recently, someone who I respect told me that they spotted an old poster who dislikes HGttG so much that they refuse to finish reading even the first book. Garnishing this plebeian opinion was an aspersion of Monty Python. I didn't believe it. But then I saw it ... along with a dodgy use of "whom."

It is not often that the lofty quasi-intellectual elitist is anti-British humor. Congratulations on your altitude.

On the topic of this thread: "This story sounds very stupid!" is what I shout down my nose from my perch.

reply

It's fantasy.

reply

That doesn’t excuse stupidity

reply

It is set in the future and the CGI and audio is superb.

reply