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The steamship travel to NY was really


totally irrelevant?

If every animal had wings the sh*t of this world would be evenly spread

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Not exactly irrelevant because it was upon their voyage to America that the tensions between Jung & Freud increased and their differing views on "the method" became more apparent to themselves and each other. But I think the main reason Cronenberg kept it in was to use Freud's famous line, "Do they know we are bringing them the plague."

"An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all."~~Wilde

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it was a foreshadowing metaphor for the moon landing.




sake happens

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Far more than the movie lets on. There's a famous incident that is left out of the film.

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"Why do people always laugh in the wrong places?"
--Tom Cruise

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What incident would that be?

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google Freud Jung boat, click first link and it explains it.

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Google searches are different for everyone (location, browser history, even without a login account) so I wouldn't know what link came first for you. But the first link that came up for me didn't really answer the question. Here it is. Did I miss it? ... http://www.mindswork.co.uk/wpblog/a-dangerous-method-makes-a-disappointing-film/


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My bad. This is a true story from a book called Freud, Adler, and Jung
By Walter Kaufman. Basically they were talking about their dreams, and Jung asked Freud about his personal life to better analyze Freuds dream. Freud say "I cannot risk my authority." So Jung, in his memoirs or whatever says that that was the beginning of the end of their relationship because Freud put his personal authority above Jung's, Freud didn;t hold truth as a virtue like Jung, and Jung couldn't properly analyze his dream. You can google those keyword and the book title, there is an excerpt of the book online on google books page 378 of the book.

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Cool. Thanks for the reply and the explanation. Very Interesting.

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This was in the film, at least the cut I saw, so I'm not sure if this incident is what jonchopwood was referring to.

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The steamship travel to NY was really
bad CGI, is what I expected you to say.

Chaos reigns

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Me, too.
That looked so terrible.
Was Cronenberg trying to pull a Bretch move?

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OMG. So bad that I cannot believe they didn't just cut it.

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The trip highlights to VERY IMPORTANT issues. However, it's presented subtly:
1- Class disparities, which is explored when the two men must go to separate cabins.
2- Anti-semitism, which is discussed when Jung tells Freud about a dream on the boat.

The main disagreement is their approach to explaining and healing the human mind. Their personal issue is that Jung hates Jews. Guess what Freud was?


The trip is also significant, because they are the fathers of Psychoanalysis and it's the first time America gets an in-person demonstration.


The one thing that bothered me about the boat trip was how badly the CG was used.

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From what I can remember, Jung's dream is also about WWII drawing near. In my opinion, the theme is there even if it was subtle.


However, let's agree to disagree. I like your explanation very much.

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Yeah. I don't get where the anti-semitism thing comes in viz-a-viz the ocean cruise.

Jung traveled first class because his rich wife paid for it.

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We found the class differences insulting. Assuming anything like this happened, with Freud being Jung's father figure personally as well as the elder statesman of the movement with which he associates:
- The wife was crazy rude to have to not asked about his traveling party, and probably just paid for Freud to have a similarly-good accomodation.
- Jung should have at that moment instead offered his cabin. Even if not taken up on it, the gesture would be

So, in not doing so he indeed was rude as hell about the class differences, saying Freud doesn't deserve to be on his (literal) level. That should have strained the relationship.

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That should have strained the relationship.
..and it did. You can see that it hurts Freud's pride.


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Yes. Sorry if that was not clear in what I wrote. Correct. And why I assume it was in the movie. Presumably one of several (real world) slights (but I am not a scholar of this) used as an example only for conciseness in the film.

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