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Knightley's performance was too Over-the-Top?: My Rebuttal


To quote from my response (slightly edited) to another person with a similar view:

Such behaviors are (fortunately) seldom seen anymore in these more modern times.

I've seen LOTS of such behaviors.

My PhD is in clinical psychology.

I witnessed BIG changes in the options for treating psychotic behaviors in the 1950s & '60s. In my internship at VA hospitals in the late 1950s (in psychology, typically we complete a year's internship before getting our PhD)-- in that internship, I witnessed a more physical form of treatment than that available even a few years later.

My first job after graduating was at Topeka State Hospital from 1962-73 and, IMO, Knightly did an EXCELLENT job of portraying a person in that distressed state.

Before the advent and wide use of fast acting tranquilizers (in the '60s & '70s), when patients were out of control like that (typically early in their admission) it often took 6-8 aides to subdue them with minimal injury to the patient and staff. While tranquilizers retired use of such equipment, many of our staff had vivid memories of its use and memories to tell.

At that time, our aides put patients suffering a psychotic reaction in, in essence, a straight jacket especially designed for such occasions. Once restricted like that and prevented from injuring either the self or others, the likely next steps were to either allow time to reach a more quiescent phase, OR to use cold baths, or sometimes insulin injections, or electric shock (ECT) to force the person to react to an externally administered stress (controlled by treatment personnel) rather than their inner turmoil

Such procedures had been used for scores of years before that in mental hospitals (then typically called "asylums for the insane") over much of the world.

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How shall I put it so that there need be no need for long, intelligent arguments like yours?

She looked like she was turning into a werewolf in the beginning of the film. Her jaw alone had a life of its own. It was totally distracting from the movie, what is called in industry parlance "chewing the scenery". Not so good.

Her final scene with Fassbender was quite lovely, though. There she was very good.

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Obviously you weren't looking for a realistic portrayal of her character and hysteria then. Perhaps she should have just looked a little sad in the first half of the movie...

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I laughed out loud when I read that.

I've just read one criticism of Keira's acting that focuses on her skinny arms - how can you argue with that!?

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The real Sabina's letters were described feeling "demon-like" so your criticism of looking like a werewolf is actually spot on. And Cronenberg specifically directed Knightley to "chew the scenery." Do your homework. Her performance was great.

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Good post. I think most people's reaction towards Knightley's portrayal of Spielrein is either a judgement on Knightley (some love just to bash her) or, more likely, that such behaviour seems so alien by today's standards that people create a buffer between them and it by judging her acting as OTT in some way. It's quite clear that Knightley had studied and viewed such behavioural expressions because they are so rare. I thought she did a very good job and know that by the amount of care towards Spielrein inspired in me by the film.

I might add that modern drugs are a mixed blessing because suppression of such physical affects does not lend itself to healing although it makes a person more socially acceptable. But at some expense to the person.

We don't see things as they are,
we see things as we are

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I think a better actor could have chewed the scenery and overacted in a far more believable and compelling way than Knightley did.

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I agree. I think she's the same (or a variation of) character in every movie. She doesn't have much of a range. My main compliant with her is that I am just too aware of the fact that she is acting to keep my mind on the drama. It takes me out of the film and on to the real life person who is acting.

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I thought she did a fantastic job (i'm a psychologist myself), but I fully expected most of the comments here to be negative. This movie wasn't made for the general public; Micheal Bay movies are...

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I thought she acted like noone was watching. In other words, she was fantastic in her portrayal of a patient with hysteria.

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I didn't have a problem with her "chewing the scenery" or chewing on her skinny arms or whatever else people were complaining about. my problem was her accent, which to my admittedly untrained ear sounded like she was waiting for Boris and Fearless Leader to show up "for to make secret plan to get Moose and Squirrel."


"In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

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I've only known one person with a similar condition and their behaviour was very similar to Sabina's as portrayed by Keira. As I was watching I was thinking that she must have done some research or spent some time watching people like this.

I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe

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Thank you so much, Bob Pr., for bringing so much intelligence to the few threads I have thus far read on this board. Without being demeaning or condescending to others in these threads, who obviously just did not have the knowledge needed to properly process this film, you bring facts and personal experiences. This particular thread, initiated by you, also produced some of the best responses - from frida_k, PoppyTransfusion, Skoolpsyk and Neuronhead.

But while this information on mental illness is invaluable, I also think what some people who criticize Knightly's performance have failed to take into account is that she had a director. Cronenberg is the father of body horror. (For more, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_horror.) His movie Dead Ringers concerns a doctor who tortures women with nauseatingly horrific gynecological instruments. Crash is about people who are obsessed with getting off sexually by being in auto accidents. He's a director who himself is somewhat obsessed with sexuality, pain, and obsession -- and often their intersection -- with the complex human psyche causing behaviors which are completely inexplicable to those not similarly afflicted.

A Dangerous Method is arguably Cronenberg's most tame film to date -- necessitated by that fact that it is historically based. And although many of the particulars in private scenes of the film are the product of Cronenberg's imagination, the framework remains true to the real people who inhabit the film. He showed brilliance in choosing to make this film, which deals with his films' recurring themes - sex, pain, obsession - and the genesis of psychoanalysis, the beginnings of humanity attempting to make sense of them and attempt to cure them. Cronenberg loves to explore how the inner workings of a twisted psyche manifest themselves physically, and Knightly's performance eloquently expresses just that. I would not discount Cronenberg's influence on Knightly's performance. Those that choose to criticize it should give some blame to him and those that praise it, as I do, owe him some of the credit.

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And thank you, soo_z_g, for points well made and well taken.

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I also would like to thank you, Bob Pr., for the same reasons said by soo_z_g.

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The director commented at the time that he worked closely with KK to tune her performance to what might realistically be expected of such a patient at the time. He mentioned that she said she was willing to take it further if he wanted, but he thought she got it right as he filmed it. He was pleased with her work.

And David Cronenberg definitely knows what he is doing is portraying characters in mental and emotional turmoil, as other posters have pointed out here.

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i think it was what Cronenberg wanted (he's into the grotesque and that's why he liked how extreme it was).

but i also think it was because it was her doing it- i think a less well known actress would not have provoked the same criticism. but when you see someone you're very familiar with doing something that extreme on screen, i think most people just aren't able to accept it, frankly.

you accept it of a character actor, someone who disappears into every different role, like Daniel Day-Lewis. you don't accept it from a person who normally plays closer to themselves, because it's a different kind of acting.

i think she deserves credit for trying it, and i do think it's what Cronenberg wanted from her- but i watched it with somebody who just couldn't see anything but "Keira Knightley trying to act like a crazy person"- which isn't something i think people would have said of an unknown actress

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DC may be "into the groteque," -- not going to argue that one  -- but in this case he was also into realism. That's what hysteria could look like. It's not even as extreme as hysteria could become (smeared feces, and self-mutilation, anyone?)

As for having a famous actor do the role, I suspect that like many others, KK would have done almost any role for DC. Good actors clamor to work with him, because they know he always lets them show their best work, and does his best to use all of it he can in the finished film. More than one has said they wouldn't even want to read the script first. That's partly because they trust DC to cast them only if he thinks they are right and up to the job. I think KK ws straining a bit -- oddly enough, not in her hysteria acenes but later -- to keep up with he fellow actors, but she did the best job of acting I have seen her do as yet. She let herself be cast in too many roles wrong for her before this one, roles she couldn't yet manage, if only because she was too young. This role was better, and she did much better with it. As with many beautiful young actors, her looks draw many fans who hated to see her look ugly in the way the role demanded. It clearly didn't bother her, which makes me think her later career might be interesting. It is difficult especially for a beautiful woman to develop into a character actor in film, where just when they get experience the roles dry up because of their age.

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This^

People are misunderstanding Cronenberg's intentions if they think that they weren't supposed to have such a visceral reaction to her performance.

I thought she was brilliant.

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Knightley's performance was superb, in my opinion.

Time wounds all heels.

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