Why couldn't Jason do it?
He got on Batman's case about not killing the Joker himself, so why didn't Bats just say to him, "you do your own dirty work." If Jason wanted the Joker dead, why didn't he just kill him himself?
If Jason wanted the Joker dead, why didn't he just kill him himself?
Jason wanted Batman to show how much he loved him by killing the person that killed him (kinda like a father killing the person that murdered his child.....) By not killing the Joker; Jason felt betrayed and that Batman never really cared about him. But Jason was so full of rage and violence that he couldn't see that he himself became the very thing Batman despised: a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner.
That said; of course the scene would have to play out where the Joker yet again gets away....
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The movie has a plot hole?!?
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It's too bad Batman doesn't realize that taking 1 life will save thousands. I guess it's all part of his psychosis. Bad-ass and brilliant as he is, Batman isn't playing with a full deck. The murder of his parents effected him so much that he hates death and would never want to personally cause it. Even to a crazy, homicidal clown who deserves it more than anyone he's ever encountered.
Based on various interpretations of the Batman mythos, the main reason Batman doesn't kill is because he thinks that if he takes one life that he'll end up resorting to killing constantly in order to resolve problems. Basically Batman wants to 'take the high road' and keep his 'no kill' rule in order to restrain himself. He fears how far he'll go, which could be far given how Batman uses and responds with violence a lot of the time (this was something Dennis O'Neal points out in the Gotham Knight commentary track).
shareWell what about this: Batman doesn't want to kill the Joker, or anyone for that matter, so... why couldn't he just cripple him? Give Joker a good, hard kick to the back of the neck, severing his brain stem and rendering him a vegetable? He'd still be alive, but harmless.
That would be almost as bad as killin and besides:
In the real world that may work but in the comic world that would not help much.
Harley Quinn may just find a Lazarus Pit for him or something else to bring him back
Well what about this: Batman doesn't want to kill the Joker, or anyone for that matter, so... why couldn't he just cripple him? Give Joker a good, hard kick to the back of the neck, severing his brain stem and rendering him a vegetable? He'd still be alive, but harmless.
Cause that would still be the same as killing in Batman's mindset.
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Cause that would still be the same as killing in Batman's mindset.
So is allowing a murderous clown live to go on killing more and more people. Bats has to pick his poison.
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Honestly, it's very grating in stories where Batman actively protects Joker from harm and even goes as far as fighting back against anyone who threatens him. It's partly contrived because DC Comics doesn't want to kill one of their most popular villains, but also it's excused as being a part of the 'no kill' code... However, Batman has no right to impose that on other heroes/law enforcement/vigilantes. Like, for example, he and Superman gets all high and mighty when Wonder Woman killed a long time ago, as if she is suddenly scum for daring to defend herself, both their asses, and the innocent civilians in that situation.
shareI'd swear Batman and Joker are biological brothers.
shareBats has to pick his poison.
No. He doesn't. Batman doesn't want to be a killer.
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Then he's allowing a mass murderer to continue his killing spree, which in a way, makes him no better.
shareActually, killing would make him no better. Because then he'd be a murderer too.
Can't stop the signal.
That is partly the reason Batman is my hero. He values human life. Unlike certain other so-called heroes, like The Punisher or Hit Girl, who senselessly murder people who at the very least just need their asses kicked.
Still, if Batman killed the Joker, I'd forgive him.
But Batman wouldn't forgive himself.
Neither would Gordon, who has actually told him if he ever kills, then he'll (Gordon) lead the team that hunts him down.
Can't stop the signal.
But Batman wouldn't forgive himself.
I'm reminded of the ending of Man of Steel [SPOILERS!!!] Superman had no choice but to kill Zod. I wonder what would happen if Batman had been in a situation like that...or maybe he has?
Neither would Gordon, who has actually told him if he ever kills, then he'll (Gordon) lead the team that hunts him down.
He'd need an army to hunt down the Batman, who has countless arsenals at his disposal. That's what makes the All-Star Batman and Robin comics so unsettling, aside from how horribly they're written, is that they depict Batman as a merciless killer.
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Superman had no choice but to kill Zod.
He did. But the writing was terrible so nobody realized it.
He'd need an army to hunt down the Batman,
Ever seen Over the Edge from Batman the Animated Series?
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Ever seen Over the Edge from Batman the Animated Series?
I did, and he narrowly succeeded. But, [SPOILERS!!!] it was all part of one of Scarecrow's hallucinations. Had it been real, it might have turned out differently. Gordon would be upset, sure, but I doubt he'd take his revenge out on Batman.
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The ending to Over the Edge implies (and this is backed up by the show's producers) that Jim Gordon knows Barbara is Batgirl, and stops her from telling him so he can retain plausible deniability in case the secret is ever exposed. He can say "She never told me she was Batgirl" truthfully. He understands she makes her own decisions and would not have blamed Batman.
Remember, the hallucination was BARBARA'S, not Jim's.
Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment. -Michael Corleone
He did.
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This is why I consider Punisher and Hit-Girl to be better heroes than Batman.
shareThe Punisher and Hit-Girl are murdering scumbags. The latter shouldn't be doing what she's doing anyway because she's a LITTLE GIRL! Besides, Batman could mop the floor with those two any day.
As far as the Joker, I have to say I'm not really a fan of the 'sadistic monster' version that's portrayed in The Dark Knight, Under the Red Hood, Death in the Family, and the Arkham Games. I prefer the 'merry prankster' from the Adam West show and Batman: The Animated Series. It's an acquired taste, but when they make Joker just so unbelievable cruel and evil and downright inhuman, it makes Batman look powerless to stop him.
Punisher and Hit-Girl do what needs to be done while Batman just lets the Joker continue killing people that would have been saved if Batman just killed him. That makes the Punisher and Hit-Girl better heroes.
Also, Robin was a kid himself, so under your logic Batman is a scumbag for letting him tag along.
As for the guy in the Adam West show, I don't even count him as a Joker. That whole series is a disgrace to superheroes everywhere.
Punisher and Hit-Girl do what needs to be done while Batman just lets the Joker continue killing people that would have been saved if Batman just killed him. That makes the Punisher and Hit-Girl better heroes.
I guess it all comes down to morality, and who feels what about certain situations. In Batman's eyes, killing his enemies is the one thing that separates him from them. He knew if he ever started, he could never stop. Besides, all Bats needs to do is cripple Joker, then he'd be harmless. But then the comic writers would have to stop using him and... you know what makes Batman stories so engaging is that the villains are so damn cool and interesting. Who could forget Joker, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, the Penguin, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, the Riddler, and all those guys. What villains do Punisher and Kick-Ass comics have? Probably not very good or even memorable ones since its "heroes" murder them so quickly. They're too one-sided.
On a side-note: I'm not too familiar with the Punisher. I am aware of Hit-Girl. I hated the Kick Ass movies, and I hate the actress who played her. I mean, I hate her. A lot.
Also, Robin was a kid himself, so under your logic Batman is a scumbag for letting him tag along.
No, because Robin wasn't a murderer.
That whole series is a disgrace to superheroes everywhere.
You do realize it was made back in the '60s, when comic books were becoming less dark and gritty and more campy. In fact, it is said this show revitalized the popularity of the Batman comics. The Caped Crusader may have disappeared if not for this show, which I admit is silly, but it has its place in our culture.
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In Batman's eyes, killing his enemies is the one thing that separates him from them. He knew if he ever started, he could never stop.
Yeah, he could, you just kill one person and then not kill anybody else. Not complicated.
But then the comic writers would have to stop using him and... you know what makes Batman stories so engaging is that the villains are so damn cool and interesting. Who could forget Joker, Two-Face, Poison Ivy, the Penguin, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, the Riddler, and all those guys. What villains do Punisher and Kick-Ass comics have? Probably not very good or even memorable ones since its "heroes" murder them so quickly. They're too one-sided.
That's why WRITERS choose not to kill them. It doesn't explain why Batman doesn't.
I hated the Kick Ass movies, and I hate the actress who played her. I mean, I hate her. A lot.
Actually Kickass was played by a guy.
No, because Robin wasn't a murderer.
Nope, you said Hit-Girl shouldn't be doing it because she's a kid. Well, so was Robin.
You do realize it was made back in the '60s, when comic books were becoming less dark and gritty and more campy.
You mean when everyone was high.
In fact, it is said this show revitalized the popularity of the Batman comics. The Caped Crusader may have disappeared if not for this show, which I admit is silly, but it has its place in our culture.
You really believe that? No, the show what nearly DESTROYED Batman. Fortunately, Tim Burton and the 90s animated series saved him. share
Yeah, he could, you just kill one person and then not kill anybody else. Not complicated.
Batman is not a mentally stable person, in case you haven't noticed. He teeters over the abyss every night he goes out. One push, and he falls in. If Batman became a killing machine, there would be no stopping him. They'd have to call in Superman, but if you recall, Batman even defeated HIM in a fight.
That's why WRITERS choose not to kill them. It doesn't explain why Batman doesn't.
Yes, you have a point there. But it's because of them that the villains are so darn interesting and memorable.
Actually Kickass was played by a guy.
I didn't like him either... the character, not what's-his-name who played that dweeb.
Nope, you said Hit-Girl shouldn't be doing it because she's a kid. Well, so was Robin.
A kid who murders vs. a kid who helps capture criminals and brings them to the police. There's a difference.
You really believe that? No, the show what nearly DESTROYED Batman. Fortunately, Tim Burton and the 90s animated series saved him.
Look it up, dumbbell. The show made Batman popular again, then in the '70s and '80s, comics made him dark and gritty again, then Tim Burton's movie came out, then the animated series, and so on. You're thinking of Batman & Robin being the tool that nearly DESTROYED Batman. In fact, it did. Thankfully Christopher Nolan stepped in to pick up the pieces.
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Batman is not a mentally stable person, in case you haven't noticed. He teeters over the abyss every night he goes out. One push, and he falls in. If Batman became a killing machine, there would be no stopping him. They'd have to call in Superman, but if you recall, Batman even defeated HIM in a fight.
Except, there is no proof of that. It's just Batman letting his fears control him, instead of acting rationally.
A kid who murders vs. a kid who helps capture criminals and brings them to the police. There's a difference.
Nope, you said Hit-Girl shouldn't be doing it BECAUSE she's a kid. Under that logic it's okay for Batman or the Punisher to kill because they're legal adults.
The show made Batman popular again, then in the '70s and '80s, comics made him dark and gritty again, then Tim Burton's movie came out, then the animated series, and so on.
Nope, the show nearly destroyed Batman worse than Batman and Robin ever did.
THEN, Dark Knight Returns, Tim Burton's Batman and the animated series all worked together to save Batman from the 60s abomination.
You're thinking of Batman & Robin being the tool that nearly DESTROYED Batman. In fact, it did. Thankfully Christopher Nolan stepped in to pick up the pieces.
Nope, you're confused. The Adam West was a separate incident that devastated Batman even worse. Batman and Robin was a small enough mess that it ONLY needed Christopher Nolan to fix it, compared to Adam West Incident that required Frank Miller, Tim Burton and the 90s TV series guys to fix. share
Except, there is no proof of that. It's just Batman letting his fears control him, instead of acting rationally.
He wants to be BETTER than them.
Nope, you said Hit-Girl shouldn't be doing it BECAUSE she's a kid. Under that logic it's okay for Batman or the Punisher to kill because they're legal adults.
It's not okay for them as adults, but it's ESPECIALLY not okay for a kid. It's like taking drugs. It's not okay for adults, and it's certainly not okay for kids.
Nope, you're confused. The Adam West was a separate incident that devastated Batman even worse. Batman and Robin was a small enough mess that it ONLY needed Christopher Nolan to fix it, compared to Adam West Incident that required Frank Miller, Tim Burton and the 90s TV series guys to fix.
How do you know all that? Were you around back then? Have you been following Batman since the late '30s?
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He wants to be BETTER than them.
So it's pride that is making him act this. It's not about being "better" than them, it's about making sure they never hurt anyone again. If you have to "lower" yourself to their level than so be it.
It's not okay for them as adults, but it's ESPECIALLY not okay for a kid. It's like taking drugs. It's not okay for adults, and it's certainly not okay for kids.
So if a child commits murder it's worse?
Also, maybe you should try condemning the drug dealers for dealing to children.
How do you know all that? Were you around back then? Have you been following Batman since the late '30s?
Research. He was created in response to the success of Superman in Action Comics. The cape was influenced by a Leonardo Da Vinci sketch of a flying device that Bob Kane saw as a kid. Batman was also influenced by Zorro (performing heroics deeds in secret and playing the fool in public) and Sherlock Holmes (world's greatest detective)
Batman started off in Detective Comics issue 27, 1939, wearing purple gloves. The story was called Case of the Chemical Syndicate. Gordon invites Bruce Wayne (who is not yet identified as Batman) to hang around as he solves the murder of a chemical manufacturer called Lambert. Lambert's pal, Steve Crane (not related to Scarecrow) thinks he's gonna be the next victim and asks for police to help. Steve is killed. Batman shows up and beats up the two killers before escaping the police.
Another Lambert pal, Rogers is caught by the other Lambert pal, Alfred Stryker. Batman saves Rogers and punches Stryker and his assistant Jennings. Stryker pulls a gun on Batman and Batman punched him, causing him to fall into a vat of acid.
James Gordon tells the story to Bruce who says it's a lovely fairytale and Gordon thinks Bruce leads a very boring life. At the end, we find Bruce Wayne is Batman.
The utility belt was created in Detective Comics issue 29 and the batarang and Batplane were created in Detective Comics issue 31. His origin was revealed in Detective Comics issue 33. Robin first appeared in Detective Comics issue 38 because they needed a Watson.
A solo spinoff series about Batman was created. In the first issue, both he Joker and Catwoman were introduced and Batman shot some monsters. They then decided Batman can't kill or use a gun.
In 1954, a moron called Fredric Wertham said Batman comics were "corrupting" youth and that Batman and Robin were "lovers".
By the 1960s, everyone in the entire world was high. Stupid people still believed Batman was gay so Batgirl was introduced. Various stupid things were introduced such as Ace the Bat Hound and Bat-Mite and they kept using sci fi cr-p that didn't really fit.
In 1966, an abomination called the Batman TV show was created. Sure, they did away with Ace and Bat-Mite and the sci fi cr-p but it's place stood something even worse. An evil they call CAMP. It was a disease that ended up infecting the comics themselves. Batman was raped.
Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams knew they had to save Batman from the abyss the TV show had cast him into. This started with the Secret of the Waiting Graves in 1970. But the TV show was so bad that even cancelled it was slowly killing Batman, the comic book sales continued to fail.
in 1986, Frank Miller found a way to save Batman. He knew he had to write the story of a 55 year old Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement in a possible future Gotham. This was followed by Batman: Year One in 1987. Alan Moore then pitched in with the Killing Joke. Then Tim Burton got the idea of "what if instead of making a cr-ppy TV show, we make a good film", and so the 1989 film was made. The 90s animated series also helped. Batman was saved.
In 1993, the Knightfall story happened where Bane put Bruce Wayne in a wheelchair and Jean Paul Valley AKA Azrael was called in to take over as Batman before Bruce Wayne recovered and beat him in a fight.
In 1996, the Long Halloween was created.
In 1998, an Earthquake devastated Gotham leading to the No Man's Land storyline.
The Batman film had two sequels, Batman Returns (which was pretty decent) and Batman Forever (which might have been pretty bad but didn't ruin Batman). Then a third sequel, Batman and Robin was made. Batman was again ruined but nowhere near as bad as the TV show.
While the TV show had contaminated the comics, Batman and Robin and only effected his films. Comic writers were still able to write the Hush storyline no problem which was a success despite the character Hush not catching on at the time.
It was a simple matter for Chris Nolan to step in to save Batman with his Dark Knight trilogy. share
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Explorer, I notice that people like you never like to talk about the murders of innocent people.
shareIf Batman values life then why does he continue to let innocent people die from Joker?
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He's already a killer. Even though it's indirectly.
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But isn't Batman himself a vigilante?
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