They're NOT black


It's annoying that some people are saying the 2 leads in this show are black.
They're both CLEARLY mixed race.

I often wonder what the reason is for those who describe mixed race as black.
Is it ignorance of their background? They're not able to tell the difference between black and mixed race people?

Is it failure to understand simple logic? For example, if one parent is black and one parent is white, they produce a child who is half black and half white.
Anyone who said the outcome of mixing black paint and white paint is black would be thought a fool. We call it grey to acknowledge the resulting colour.
Why are some people reluctant to acknowledge mixed race people are the result of 2 different races? To say they're black means that you have disregarded half of who they are!

Is it because the racist 1-drop rule is STILL alive and kicking in 2010?

Is it because by giving opportunities to mixed race people and calling them black, actual black people can continue to be left out of the media. Black people can and are told "Look, you're well represented on tv." No we're not!
Most tv shows and films still only have the token 'ethnic' character. If it's a black male you can guarantee his love interest won't be a black female (despite the fact that most black men choose to be with black women in the real world, myself included).
I would jump for joy if I ever saw a show where an actual black male was cast with an actual black female, let alone if they were both the leads.

All that said, I could barely sit through the first episode of this show. The dialogue was terrible, there was no chemistry between the leads, there were no likeable characters, the plot was boring.
I won't be watching.

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For the most part, I identify people by what they identify as. Race is a human construct; it's just words we use to identify our differences.

We are eagles of one nest, The nest is in our soul

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You really cant be that dense or sheltered can you. As a mixed race individual, I have to say that identifying myself as black was a survival maneuver; a way to brace myself to take on a society that's rarely understanding of the nuances of life or the sensitive subjects that are associated with ethnic identity. Even if I am mixed, I am still not counted as a part of the majority. I am a part of the minority. Why would I marginalize myself even further by making a distinction that most people don't give a *beep* about. I would be happy to just be; declare all of the genetic beauty that makes me me. Unfortunately, the collective mindset of American society, the generational conditioning we have sentenced ourselves to doesn't allow this.

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Hmmm...

I have to say that identifying myself as black was a survival maneuver; a way to brace myself to take on a society that's rarely understanding of the nuances of life or the sensitive subjects that are associated with ethnic identity. Even if I am mixed, I am still not counted as a part of the majority. I am a part of the minority. Why would I marginalize myself even further by making a distinction that most people don't give a *beep* about.


this itself is a problem, people doing whatever or just accepting, joining to survive afraid to take on the masses. this is why our human society not just the american society is the way it is, people are afraid to step out of the comfort of being "that one who isnt like the rest". this happens in so many aspects of people being who they are, I live this life, its hard, black guy who like rock, not accepted by either, i dont just conform and listen to hip hop b/c it doesnt affect me the same way, and it gets even worse, i listen to jrock(japanese) so dont think that im just able to hang with the white kids, lol at asians not just glancing at me and thinking im just a wierd *beep* with long hair and a guitar strapped to his back. hispanics are more receptive, even though alot of them are "take comfort" in adopting the ways of their surroundings as well. those are the only races lol anyway...

You are 100% correct on this. However, the weak mixed raced readers who cling onto the black race for psychological survival and the blind idiotic whites and non blacks will not accept this fact.

As for the whites and non blacks who think the two main characters are black, I have no questions for them because a lot of them are generally racist and ignorant when it comes to what is black.


well put mattbrowns112, nice


Yes they are mixed... but there's no need to get annoyed if some people want to still call mixed Black + something else Black. One day it might change... but until then let's not take it too much to heart and be proud of what we are or who we are.


Good.

I happen to like the show and i'm sad it was cancelled.

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HumantheonlyRace:

Though you have made some very valid points, you are missing the main subtext of why people of mixed "race" chose to socially identify with one over another. It has nothing to do with being a coward. If you don't think psychological equilibrium and well being, social acceptance, and personal value are not reasons to do so, then you have no inkling to what it is to actually be singled out as different. For you to compare such a fundamental life choice to having non-stereotypical tastes in music or non-prejudice choices in friends is not only ludicrous, but insulting to those who have struggled and/or lost their lives because of the rejections of society. Not to act in the best interest of personal social survival is against our very nature as humans.

The onus of why ethnic and racial identity is so imperative is not on me or anyone that makes such a choice, but society and the fact that we haven't evolved in thousands of years. We aren't talking about a Jew denying his or her religion or ethnic pride to fit in with their WASPish peers or a light skinned black man passing for white.

The bare fact of the matter is, for hundreds of years, Americans of African descent were treated a inferior because of their skin color. Laws were enacted that counted us as one-third the worth of those of Caucasian descent. Having any recent genetic ties to "The Dark Continent" was considered an ugly stain on one's social worth. This is a belief that is not even 50 years out of practice in popular society; that is still held by a considerable amount of people. Now in the wake of the fact that less than two percent of the American population is now made up of the offspring of interracial couples, you want all of them to stand up and socially proclaim their membership to a new racial group with no real foundation in our societal makeup. I say, you want because, well, in spite of the fact that our society's fundamental social structure was built on intolerance and delusions of racial supremacy [hundred of years of such behavior, and about 30,000 years of tribalism versus about 236 years of the new American ideas of social equality written by the hypocrite or all hypocrites, Thomas Jefferson], you think that sh!t is just gonna change and all people will recognize what these people of mixed race are trying to accomplish by calling themselves mixed race. All they are going to see is more tribalism.

It's too bad for you, my friend, that your ideals may be hundreds of years away from being realized. We, as Americans, have a way of getting in our own way when it comes to progress. Just imagine where society would be now if Christians actually followed the ideals of Christ; if Americans actually embodied the ideals of the constitution; if the powerful were not driven by the need for more power, no matter the cost; if people didn't worry about social acceptance, and lived by their own principles and within their own means.

All of this leads back to those nuances I was referring in my other post that people either fail to recognize or are just plain ignorant about.

The day I can interact in a world where people don't remind me with what they say and do that bigotry does in fact exist is the day when I feel a change will come. Until then, I'll be black with a rich multilayered ethnic genetic background and you can be judgmental and outraged that people like me don't stand up and be counted as something too new to be considered relevant in the society we live in now.


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we know nothing of the characters past so just because they are played by mixed individuals doesn't mean the characters are mixed. Blair Underwood plays a Cuban American on The Event and isn't Cuban in real life. OMG lets cancel that show too!!!!

I'm curious if a Haitian American like myself played one of the characters would that count as an actual black person to you.

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i am bi racial and proud of it, but i consider myself BLACK. That's what I identify with, its how I look. These two lead characters are look Black, so that what everyonewill see then as. nuff said!

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I'm sick of people saying that it's okay to call mixed people black if they look black. You can't just judge people by how they look! I'm biracial- half black, half white- but pretty much every person I meet assumes I'm either Mexican or Puerto Rican because of my skin and hair color. Does that mean I go around telling people I'm hispanic because I look like I am? No, I'm mixed, and I've never claimed to be anything else.

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If I was half black and half white I would also say I was black. If you have the option choose the cool one. Why would I say I was white or mixed when I could be black!

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Dude, um what world are you living it. For one, MOST black male love interest are black females, which is fine.

2) According to statistics, more than half of black men have been in an "interracial relationship", and It's expected that within 10 years, the majority of black male marriages will be with non black women.


So if anything, the media isn't showing the actual changes of what's going on in "the real world." The majority of interracial relationships with a black male, is with a white female, and how many black leads have a white female partner on television. Let's just say outside the CW, there is very few.

As for biracial individuals, hate to break it to you but the majority of black people in america, are mixed. I'm supposedly 25% native america, does that change the fact that when people see me, they think of me as black? Definitely not. To everybody on this planet, I'm a black guy. Let me go to a cherokee settlement, you think they would accept me? Definitely not. It's just the world we live in.

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2) According to statistics, more than half of black men have been in an "interracial relationship", and It's expected that within 10 years, the majority of black male marriages will be with non black women.


LOL over 94% of Black male marriages are with Black women. You mean in 10 years somehow that number is going to go down by more than 50%?!

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It's annoying that some people are saying the 2 leads in this show are black.
They're both CLEARLY mixed race. Blah blah blah

You sir, are CLEARLY an idiot.

~I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong~

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Mixed race or otherwise, I don't really care. I don't usually say this because I'm straight, but if I were gay, I would really dig steve. That said, I can't keep my eyes of his wife.

Anyway, at least the darkly skinned people are represented at all in American media. The only shows I've watched in the past that included any Asian characters (especially men) are Dexter and Heroes.

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