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I liked and loathed Lisbeth [SPOILERS]


It easy to know what was likeable about her but there were a number of things I really disliked about her.

She obviously realises rape is wrong, but then practically forces Mikael into sex just because she wants it. She tries to claim that because he's sleeping with his co-editor who he works with, he should also want to sleep with her. She doesn't seem to grasp the concept that Mikael has feelings for Erika. So at the end when she sees Mikael with Erika she's acting all hurt. WTF did she expect?

She may be a social misfit but she's not dumb. She knows Mikael is in love with Erika. Did she expect him to stop seeing her? To leave Erika for her?

And then there's her awful, awful manners. Would it kill her to say thank you to someone who has helped her out? Having had a schit life does not preclude a lack of manners.

She's infuriating at times.


I still don't understand it, why they hate us so much - Valerie, V for Vendetta

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Unless the woman is carrying a loaded gun(which Lisbeth was not), she cannot FORCE a man into having sex. It is not even remotely possible. Especially when she's 5'3 and 100 lbs soaking wet. Watch the scene again. All it took was a gentle nudge to the mattress, a little body to body contact, some nipple biting, and he was on top of her with his drawls off before she could blink. That's not called being FORCED. That's called being SEDUCED. Huge difference.


You're right, she's not dumb. But she is human. And she's in love, probably for the first time ever in her life. For however many years she's been living her life like a recluse. She has barriers firmly in place and makes a conscious effort not to allow others inside. Which of course, explains the manners. And yet, Mikael chipped away at those barriers the moment they met and finally broke through completely when they were at the coffee shop. She didn't plan on it and didn't see it coming. It just happened and before she knew it she was head over heels.


Also you gotta remember that Erika is married. To me, Lisbeth saw them as no more than close friends with benefits. Mikael is a "have his cake and eat it to" type of guy. He never expressed anything about Erika to Lisbeth. Never showed any kind of guilt about sleeping with Lisbeth. He would continually sleep with both and not even give it a second thought. They worked together for months and Erika was never even heard from during that time. So it does not seem all that odd that Lisbeth was caught off-guard when she saw them together suddenly.


She's unique. You have to take into account her past and what she's been through. Having a sh!t life is putting it mildly. You may wanna give the books a read as they go into detail about Lisbeth more so than the film could.




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I have read the books.

I know she seduced Mikael, which is why I used the word "practically" because Mikael was reluctant at first and she was insistent. I just think that at the first point of him being hesitant she should've caught the hint.

And again, I have read the books so I know her past has a huge affect on the person she is, but I still don't like that side of her.

Yes, Mikael is an opportunist so sex of tap was always gonna be something he ultimately wouldn't turn down. But I think Lisbeth should still have been smart enough to realise that he wasn't gonna ditch Erika for her. She knew about their long-term clandestine relationship before she even met him.


I still don't understand it, why they hate us so much - Valerie, V for Vendetta

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Because in the book, Lisbeth spends more time with Mikael than what is shown in the movie. Lisbeth probably hoped that the bond they created would transfer over into everyday life. Meanwhile, Mikael, despite caring for Lisbeth, had his own agenda which she most likely was aware of from the beginning.

If it were Mikael's decision, he'd have continued with both Lisbeth and Erika.

Keep in mind that this is the first person, since her female partner, she developed feelings for and they became quite close. It's possible that her rational thinking fell by the wayside.

As for her lack of manners, she's withdrawn and hates people. Her behavior makes sense considering her history. Eventually, though, her character does progress. Love/hate is how we're supposed to feel about her.

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Because in the book, Lisbeth spends more time with Mikael than what is shown in the movie. Lisbeth probably hoped that the bond they created would transfer over into everyday life. Meanwhile, Mikael, despite caring for Lisbeth, had his own agenda which she most likely was aware of from the beginning.

If it were Mikael's decision, he'd have continued with both Lisbeth and Erika.

<blockquote>Keep in mind that this is the first person, since her female partner, she developed feelings for
and they became quite close. It's possible that her rational thinking fell by the wayside.

As for her lack of manners, she's withdrawn and hates people. Her behavior makes sense considering her history. Eventually, though, her character does progress. Love/hate is how we're supposed to feel about her.</blockquote>

I can't comment on the books but it's fairly clear in both movies that her feelings for Mikael were deeper than what she had with her female friend and probably anybody else she had ever known. Clearly she cared about her as a friend but to Lisbeth it was merely an open friends with benefits relationship or else she wouldn't have been so quick to start having sex with Mikael nor would she be so heartbroken by seeing Mikael with Erika.

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Lisbeth has a psychological disorder akin to Asperger's (High Functioning Autistic Spectrum Disorder). Her brain is wired differently, making her extraordinary at analysis &amp; computations when compared to normal people. The downside is that her brain is deficiently wired in the realm of social interaction, so she has extreme difficulty relating to &amp; interacting with people. The abuse she suffered all during her childhood also probably gave her additional disorders affecting her ability to socialize &amp; interact. It's not that she wants to behave like an *sshole, it's that she just doesn't know how not to. With an extreme amount of effort, she might be able to act socially appropriate for a single encounter, but she can't keep it up at length, because it's too mentally exhausting. Think of her like a person in permanent leg braces trying to sprint or run a marathon.

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