Donald Rumsfeld
Am I the only one here that got the feeling that Rumsfeld ordered the hit on Pat in the first place?
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As I was watching this.... I started to wonder if Pat Tillman would have ran for some type of office?
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Paranoia...
Oh Brandy no one will remember you were once so beautiful when you're old...
Nope, you're not the only one. It could very well have been Rumsfeld or Cheney, or perhaps another higher up in the military.
'New Evidence Clearly Indicates Pat Tillman Was Executed'
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/270707tillmanexecuted.htm
Army medical examiners concluded Tillman was shot three times in the head from just 10 yards away, no evidence of "friendly fire" damage at scene, Army attorneys congratulated each other on cover-up, Wesley Clark concludes "orders came from the very top" to murder pro-football star because he was about to become an anti-war political icon.
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, July 27, 2007
Astounding new details surrounding the death of Pat Tillman clearly indicate that top brass decided to execute the former pro football star in cold blood to prevent him from returning home and becoming an anti-war icon.
These same criminals then engaged in a sophisticated conspiracy to create a phony "friendly fire" cover story.
Shocking new facts emerged about the case last night but were bizarrely underplayed by the Associated Press under nondescript headlines like 'New Details on Tillman's Death' - a complete disservice to the horrific implications that the new evidence carries.
Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.
"The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described," a doctor who examined Tillman's body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.
The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.
The report also states that "No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene - no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck."
The article also reveals that "Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments."
So there was no evidence whatsoever of friendly fire, but the ballistics data clearly indicated that the three head shots had been fired from just 10 yards away and then the Army tried to concoct a hoax friendly fire story and sent gloating back-slapping e mails congratulating each other on their success while preventing the doctors from exploring the possibility of murder. How can any sane and rational individual weigh this evidence and not come to the conclusion that Tillman was deliberately gunned down in cold blood?
The evidence points directly to it and the motivation is clear - Tillman abandoned a lucrative career in pro-football immediately after 9/11 because he felt a rampaging patriotic urge to defend his country, and became a poster child for the war on terror as a result. But when he discovered that the invasion of Iraq was based on a mountain of lies and deceit and had nothing to do with defending America, he became infuriated and was ready to return home to become an anti-war hero.
As far back as March 2003, immediately after the invasion, Tillman famously told his comrade Spc. Russell Baer, "You know, this war is so *beep* illegal," and urged his entire platoon to vote against Bush in the 2004 election. Far from the gung-ho gruff stereotype attributed to him, Tillman was actually a fiercely intellectual man with the courage of his convictions firmly in place.
Tillman had even begun to arrange meetings with anti-war icons like Noam Chomsky upon his return to America before his death cut short any aspirations of becoming a focal point for anti-war sentiment.
According to Daily Kos, Wesley Clark appeared on Keith Olbermann's Countdown last night and stated that "the orders came from the very top" to murder Tillman as he was a political symbol and his opposition to the war in Iraq would have rallied the population around supporting immediate withdrawal.
The notion that the U.S. government gave orders for Army top brass to execute Pat Tillman in cold blood is the most damaging indictment of the Iraq war since it began, trumping the lies about weapons of mass destruction tenfold, but if the establishment media continue to soft-peddle and steam-valve one of the biggest stories of the century its impact will be completely diluted.
It is up to us to make this story go viral because the implications are so dire that they could act as the final death knell for the blood-soaked and illegal occupation of Iraq and become the clarion call to bring our troops home.
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Can't speak as a family spokesperson. Officially they've come to no conclusions, publically, other than there was clearly a cover up.
I knew Pat to be a free thinker but open to different opinions if your argument was reasonable and well thought out. He also long shunned personal accolades and was not one to abandon his word in favor of a free ride.
In lieu of harms way, Rumsfeld offered him a state side gig as a poster boy - a recruitment tool hawking the administration's policy. Pat turned it down.
While stationed in Iraq and part of the media staged recovery operation of Jessica Lynch, Pat made his big mistake. He let his feelings be known, publically, about the particular assignment. Being somewhat familiar with how publicity worked, Pat saw through the fallacy. Pat also went to the point of campaigning for Kerry in 2004. Rumsfeld was not amused.
Rumsfeld fancy himself a brilliant warlord tactician. He micro managed as much as he could. As more and more of Rumsfeld policies failed, particularly Abu Ghraib, it was speculated Rumsfeld needed a heart breaking story as a distraction and had such a contingency planned. If such actually was Pat's fate, Only Rumsfeld could have, would have, given the order.
I seriously doubt Pat would have run for office. A book is a possiblity but I have no knowledge of such a thing. That may have been part of Pat's intention for wanting to meet with Chomsky. They never spoke. Contact with Chomsky was through a friend. As I understand, Chomsky was open to such a meeting but preferred not to make any commitments until Pat's tour of duty was complete.
The Tillman family brought to Congress all the evidence they discovered, including the knowledge of a drone recording of the event, which conveniently disappeared shortly there after. Since Congress came to no conclusion regarding the evidence presented, the Tillmans decided they could take their case no further.
They worked closely with Amir Bar-Lev to present, one last time, their findings in the film, sans conclusion, and then left the public arena in favor of rebuilding their private lives.
I will say an assassination is one of 3 scenarios the family privately suspected realistic given all the "circumstantial" evidence discovered.
Hoping saying that doesn't get me in trouble with them. I love his family as much as I love him.
Did you notice they didn't interview the military person(s) that shot & killed Pat?
Wouldn't that be the person or persons you'd want to interview?
You'd want to ask, "Why did you shoot at Pat when he was yelling 'I'm $&*#@ Pat Tillman'" over and over again?
"You had to know it was him. He was yelling his name!"
Why wouldn't you even mention in the movie that you'd tried to get one of them to talk, but no one would? (Because no involved in the 'friendly fire' will ever talk.)
If an assassination seems far-fetched, let us not forget the whole Iraq war was based on a lie. (And even if Iraq did have & moved their WMD to another country, we never worried about Iraq attacking us in the first place.)
I guess my point being, what's one more death to a war monger?
Other countries don't call the United States 'The Great Satan' for nothing.
Did you notice they didn't interview the military person(s) that shot & killed Pat?
UHM ... not sure who your "they" are. Statements were taken from all personal present. Much of the material the family received was heavily redacted. As it turns out some of the statements were also altered by superiors.
The film talks about the process the family used to decipher the more than 6 thick binders of materials provided by the Army. It was never the intention of the family to make any political statements or to take any policy positions.
Pat was a remarkably honest guy. It felt wrong to bury him in lies.
Because Pat had notoriety of his own, a public platform was provided for the family to investigate as they could. Their discovery was brought all the way to Congress and eventually dismissed there. No other legal forum was available.
The Bar-Lev film was a summary of what the Tillmans learned without prejudice. Some folks were willing to be interviewed on camera. Others declined. The film was also a swan song, of sorts, for the family from the public eye. It was a most fitting tribute as well, IMHO, telling the story Pat would want told in the format he would have preferred.
If you want more information, I recommend Mary Tillman's book, "Boots on the Ground By Dusk".
The Krakauer book is highly embellished.
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"They" being the people who made the movie... or Pat's parent's. I would think Pat's parents would like to speak to the shooter or at least people from the shooter's group.
share"They" wanted to speak with a lot of people, one would think, that were not made available. The Tillmans never had the power of subpoena. As I understand Stan McChrystal was their main Army contact. He was also the Army's greatest stonewall.
shareRolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings reported on and brought down Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal a year or two ago...Michael Hastings is now also dead, and there is a conspiracy about his death also:
'Evidence Indicates Michael Hastings Was Assassinated'
http://www.infowars.com/evidence-indicates-michael-hastings-was-assassinated/
Rolling Stone journalist made enemies in FBI, CIA
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
June 20, 2013
The revelation that Rolling Stone journalist Michael Hastings was working on a story about the CIA before his death and had contacted a Wikileaks lawyer about being under investigation by the FBI hours before his car exploded into flames has bolstered increasingly valid claims that the 33-year-old was assassinated.
Hastings died early Tuesday morning in Hollywood when his car allegedly hit a tree at high speed. The Los Angeles Coroner’s office has not yet been able to officially identify the body as Hastings because it is so badly burned.
Skeptics of the official narrative have highlighted eyewitness accounts which state that Hastings’ Mercedes “exploded”.
Images of the vehicle appear to show more damage to the rear, around the area of the fuel tank, than the front, leading to speculation that a car bomb which ignited the fuel could have been responsible for the incident.
“No matter how you slice this particular pie, a Mercedes is not just going to explode into flames without a little assistance,” writes freelance journalist Jim Stone. “Car fires in new cars happen for three main reasons — running the engine out of oil, or running the engine out of coolant, or after an absolutely huge car mangling accident, having the hot side of the battery short out against the frame before it reaches the fuse panel. And for all 3 of those normal reasons, which account for virtually all car fires in modern cars, the fire would have started in the engine compartment, progressed slowly, and scorched the hell out of the paint before ever reaching the gas tank. That clean paint is the be all tell all, Michael Hastings was murdered, and the rest is detail.”
Stone also questions why a white sheet has been draped over the vehicle in the image below (see link above).
The questions surrounding the precise nature of the “accident” that killed Hastings are given more weight by the fact that the journalist had made enemies within both the FBI and the CIA.
“Michael Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Jennifer Robinson just a few hours before he died, saying that the FBI was investigating him,” the official Wikileaks Twitter account announced yesterday.
Hastings “had the Central Intelligence Agency in his sights” and was set to release an article exposing the agency, according to L.A. Weekly.
The Obama administration and the Justice Department have openly claimed the authority to assassinate American citizens anywhere in the world if they are deemed a national security threat. A number of American citizens have already been killed as a result of this policy. Is it really that crazy to suggest that Michael Hastings was merely the latest victim of this doctrine?
The New York Daily News highlights the fact that Hastings had received multiple death threats before his demise.
Following his role in bringing down Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, Hastings was told by a McChrystal staffer, “We’ll hunt you down and kill you if we don’t like what you write.”
“Whenever I’d been reporting around groups of dudes whose job it was to kill people, one of them would usually mention that they were going to kill me,” said Hastings.
Hastings was renowned for being “only interested in writing stories someone didn’t want him to write — often his subjects,” according to Buzzflash editor Ben Smith, adding, “He knew that there are certain truths that nobody has an interest in speaking, ones that will make you both your subjects and their enemies uncomfortable. They’re stories that don’t get told because nobody in power has much of an interest in telling them.”
The fact that Hastings had made a plethora of enemies as a result of his hard-hitting investigative journalism has prompted a deluge of online comment speculating that the writer’s “car crash” was no accident.
“Hastings’ wreck might make sense on the freeway, but I doubt he’d be dumb enough to go 100 mph on Highland. He’s not some dumb college kid,” said one commenter on a local news site.
“A warning to other journalists to not dig too deep,” another Reddit user wrote. “Stick with the party line if you want a long, happy life.”
If this was an isolated incident then there wouldn’t be so many questions swirling about Hastings’ death. However, he’s certainly not the first individual to go up against the military-industrial complex and wind up in a coffin.
Other journalists who have proven to be a thorn in the side of the establishment have met the same fate, from Andrew Breitbart who was about to release damaging pre-election information about Barack Obama before he collapsed and died in strange circumstances, to Gary Webb, the Pullitzer prize-winning author who exposed the CIA’s involvement in the drug trade and subsequently committed “suicide” after apparently shooting himself in the head – twice.
More recently, Ibragim Todashev, friend of accused Boston bomber Tamerlan Tsarnev, was shot in the head six times by the FBI, who initially claimed Todashev was armed but later had to admit this was a lie. Speculation has raged that Todashev was assassinated because he had knowledge about the Boston bombings which the feds didn’t want to see the light of public scrutiny.
Despite his actions, the murder of Christopher Dorner, who was burned to death by LAPD officers while hiding inside a cabin, shows that authorities will not hesitate to resort to such methods.
It’s virtually inevitable that the true cause of Michael Hastings death will never be known and that the mainstream media will demonize anyone who questions the official narrative as a conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, journalists and others who pose a threat to the military-industrial complex will continue to die in bizarre “accidents” that stink of foul play.
UHM ... My expertise is Pat Tillman and The Tillman Story. Sorry, but I'm not going to get into general political discussions here. It's beyond the scope of this board, IMHO.
THX for your comments. Wish you well with your research.
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