I hope they reverse Stydia in 6B via some way or another - the way they wrote it in 6A was so poor, incoherent and ultimately just a wtf kind of moment. It really brought down the quality of 6A and the finale too.
Even Jeff Davis himself said they did it purely to shock, ignoring how they built up Marrish and Stalia before. Lets hope they rectify it but I can 99% say they won't, they'll succumb to fan service at the sacrifice of character/plot.
Marrish was ALL in Parrishs head! I dont know how many scenes you needed to see that. The only scene that was even borderline flirting was the coffee one but if you take that of all things as "buildup" then you'd lose any and all arguments anout whether stydia was built up. You could have an arument for stalia if it wasnt established in 5A that he still had feelings for Lydia and at that point Malia was a backup.
And yet again anyone who says Stydia was forced is clearly in denial. Its been a thing since the start. Its had hints of becoming more since 3A and it finally hit the stage where both were single and an event happened that caused Lydia to admit her feelings and they happened.
You have an overactive imagination. Parrish and Lydia were getting together. There were several scenes showing that. And they is absolutely NO backstory for Stydia. It is all in your imagination.
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I remember most of it in Parrish's head, and Stydia goes back all the way to 'formality'!
There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known. - Spike
i don't know how many times i've said already: it was all in Parrish's head! visions and that's it!
If by fantasising about a person makes you actually BE with them, then hugh jackman would be married to me with three kids!!! and i'd have a side affair with ryan reynolds as well.
re-watch the whole season 5 for heavens sake. it's right there. 😒
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Exactly! Their only argument could be the last part of season 4 where Lydia irrationally spent most of her time with him. But even that was more of a plot device to facilitate the hallucinations than her actually being interested in him.
shareand there is such a thing as being a frienddly to a person who is all confused about what he is and can do.
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You did mistake.... it was in the finale of season 5A.... :))
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Disagree, there was way much more investment writing-wise into Marrish and Stalia than you're saying, there were many development scenes showing both ships.
Stydia shippers claim this whole thing was in 'development' since S1 etc with 'hints' but I saw nothing pointing to Lydia having feelings beyond platonic ones until it was forced on her by bad writing this season. I find most of their shippers, if not all, tend to equate Stiles lust for her over 6 seasons to be the 'development' whilst ignoring Lydia's character.
Even Lydia herself said and I quote "I'm done with high school boys". And that's around the time her n Parrish were becoming friends.
There were many marrish moments not just the coffee scene..how about when he locked himself up and she slowly reached for his hand?
Even the moment they met, they seemed to he flirting.
Stalia had development sure. Though that was also a rushed development considering they slept together their first time kissing.
Marrish had hints in season 4. I can grant that but by the time 5A was winding down all of it was taking place in Parrish's head. Past the coffee scene, which could have been taken either way, there was no indication of those two happening.
But I find it funny that people claim that Marrish had buildup for reasons that could apply to stydia as well. Also, me as well as other people have been on here for a while actually laying out the specific moments and when they happened that constitute as proving stydia was developing. No one responds once we have put those specific moments likely because they realize that its evidence.
So some of the fault logic I just saw last night: Marrish had development because they almost hand held(even though Lydia was basically asleep).
Applying that logic: if handholding equals a relationship stydia has been developed since 3B when she held Stiles's hand as the fire alarm rang in 3x15. Or in 3x24 where she clung to him the entire time. Or the fact that in 5x16(the moment everyone but the most Anti-stydia people knew they'd get together), she held onto his hand and smiled for a long time after he saved her. Everyone on this board went crazy wondering if it was an indication they were going there. So how can a couple have "zero" buildup when they would have several moments that led people to believe they'd eventually get together?
I can concede that the way they expressed it in 6A was rushed. But a large reason for that was Dylan's availability. I bet it would have been more drawn out if he had more episodes.
Last point: Lydia's no more high school boys line came at the start of 3A. Its been clearly established by the shows timeline and what most stydia shipper shave been trying to show people for weeks that Lydia didnt start having mutual feelings until 3x11.
Stydia is fake.
(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
Now I know you are just a troll since you have nothing to say about an argument that contained evidence.
shareThe evidence is there. You are afraid to look it up. Oh. and by the way, Stydia is fake.
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Wow. Are you ok? You're crazy and obsessive with a D-show. Seriously chill out.
shareHaha, seriously!!
Stydia is fake and that's why there's so many fans of them!! And that's why the producers are pretty blatant with song choices for them in their scenes.
They have far more build up than Stalia, which was basically them bantering a bit and then hooking up in a dirty basement.
But no pairing was more out of nowhere than Melissa and Argent!
There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known. - Spike
Stydia was pushed on the viewers this season by the writers. And Stiles has left the series for good. One kiss that lasted a few seconds. No Stydia now. It's fake.
(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
really? you might want a guy like stiles for yourself but can't handle if he's with someone else?!
you have complete blinders on.
yes, stydia left me unsatisfied. i've wrote a post about that. but it doesn't make stydia any less real. i just wish they'd done a better job at it than a three second kiss. although the look at the end warmed me really well ^_^
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sorry my friend. but that was a bit of trolling. you had no argument whatsoever to contradict him/her.
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Here are two quotes from Jeff Davis that I saw on the internet a few days ago.
1. Google.
Jeff Davis Stydia.
Bustle
Jan. 31, 2017.
When Does Teen Wolf Come Back?
But, the plot thickens! Jeff Davis gave a recent interview with TVLine previewing the midseason finale and the Stiles/Lydia romance, teasing that "maybe they’re stumbling towards romantic love, or maybe it blows up in their face after the first month and they say, ‘Screw it. Let’s just be friends.'"
2. Google.
Jeff Davis Stydia.
Entertainment Weekly
January 31, 2017.
EW spoke with showrunner Jeff Davis about the finale and what comes next.
On that Stydia kiss: After six long years, Stiles and Lydia finally locked lips, and not because he was having a panic attack. Furthermore, they’re in love, which sadly, is still no guarantee that we’ll get to see the two of them together in the final 10 episodes. At this point, Dylan O’Brien isn’t confirmed to return, and according to Jeff Davis, Stiles’ future “remains to be seen.” The question, as Davis puts it, is: “Is this the end of Stiles’ character with Teen Wolf?”
(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
i don't get it. how does that proves that stydia is fake?
it basically just says that they don't know what to do now that stiles isn't going to be in 6B.
*beep* planners in my opinion. or maybe they just don't care.
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i think i love you 😍
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I did not even watch season 6 & I almost did not even finish season 5. I saved myself from the madness when I heard rumors of the writers putting Stiles & Lydia together. The way they ignored Stiles's & Malia's perfect relationship for Lydia is a bit upsetting. Stiles went completely out of character & (1)practically ignored her (2) did not give a proper reason as to why he broke it off with Malia.
From what I heard about the finale, they recycled Jackson's & Lydia's love story. Smh.
Perfect is what their relationship was compared to what Stiles & Lydia had going on
shareWhat build-up between Parrish and Lydia? Oh! You mean the fantasies and hallucinations that Parrish had? Yeah! Some build-up!
And yes, there was some build-up between Stiles and Malia - but only after they had sex on that sofa in Eichen House's basement, even though they didn't even really know each other! That relationship was forced on the fandom, simply because Jeff Davis and the writer wanted to pair Malia up with the most popular character on the show, in the hopes that we'd all be manipulated into automatically loving Malia.
Well, that plan blew up in his face! Didn't it?
And enough of the, "fan service," nonsense. Stiles has always carried a torch for Lydia. Lydia began to have feelings for Stiles when she kissed him to calm him down during his panic attack. For some reason (Fear of becoming involved in another serious relationship, because of what happened with Jackson? Busy dealing with life-or-death situations? Stiles was busy being possessed by the Nogitsune? Lydia was busy learning how to use her banshee abilities? She thought Stiles was no longer interested in her? Didn't want to be, "that girl," who came between a couple, especially since the female half of said couple was a werecoyote with a short temper? Who knows?), Lydia didn't pursue a relationship with Stiles. But you know what? They're together now.
Stydia fans had to put up with the nonsensical mess that was Stalia. I think you guys can survive Stydia. You can live in your world of denial all you want. Stydia has always been end game.
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^^^Thank you!!
I binge watched all last year so I wasn't involved in any week long discussion after each episode. It was clear to me that they were building stydia all of S3!! Holland's performance after the 3x11 was great, written all over her face. And Lydia was basically clinging to Stiles all throughout the S3 finale!! I never hated Malia, but she was obviously used just as you said and it backfired for me a bit. But she's become one of my favorite characters now that she's independent of Stiles!
I've actually been rooting for a Scott x Malia endgame haha!
There's a hole in the world. Feels like we ought to have known. - Spike
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Here are two quotes from Jeff Davis that I saw on the internet a few days ago.
1. Google.
Jeff Davis Stydia.
Bustle
Jan. 31, 2017.
When Does Teen Wolf Come Back?
But, the plot thickens! Jeff Davis gave a recent interview with TVLine previewing the midseason finale and the Stiles/Lydia romance, teasing that "maybe they’re stumbling towards romantic love, or maybe it blows up in their face after the first month and they say, ‘Screw it. Let’s just be friends.'"
2. Google.
Jeff Davis Stydia.
Entertainment Weekly
January 31, 2017.
EW spoke with showrunner Jeff Davis about the finale and what comes next.
On that Stydia kiss: After six long years, Stiles and Lydia finally locked lips, and not because he was having a panic attack. Furthermore, they’re in love, which sadly, is still no guarantee that we’ll get to see the two of them together in the final 10 episodes. At this point, Dylan O’Brien isn’t confirmed to return, and according to Jeff Davis, Stiles’ future “remains to be seen.” The question, as Davis puts it, is: “Is this the end of Stiles’ character with Teen Wolf?”
(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
Someone should forbid Jeff to do more shows or ruin other shows.
The guy is just totally incompetent.
I'm wondering how many people will watch his pilot of Let the right one in.... I won't be one of them unfortunately he has lost me only a day ago for sure.
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You're the same person who keep saying don't trust what Jeff Davis say right? Funny how that turned around lol.
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THE POSTERS ARE:
coljjr, mrumble, and DC Sassy Queen.
Their original posts are in lower case. My replies are in upper case.
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(I hope they reverse Stydia in 6B via some way or another - the way they wrote it in 6A was so poor, incoherent and ultimately just a wtf kind of moment. It really brought down the quality of 6A and the finale too.)
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THE WAY THEY WROTE STYDIA WAS POOR, INCOHERENT, AND COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE. IT DID BRING DOWN THE QUALITY OF 6A. AND THE FINALE WAS RUSHED AND CHAOTIC.
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(Even Jeff Davis himself said they did it purely to shock, ignoring how they built up Marrish and Stalia before. Lets hope they rectify it but I can 99% say they won't, they'll succumb to fan service at the sacrifice of character/plot.)
REPLY:
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WROTE STYDIA MERELY TO SHOCK. AND THEY DID IGNORE THE BUILD UP OF BOTH STALIA AND MARRISH FROM SEASON 5. YES, STYDIA WAS JUST A PLOY TO SUCCUMB TO FAN SERVICE, AND THEY SACRIFICED THE CHARACTERS AND THE PLOT. THEY ENDED UP DESTROYING THE STILES/SCOTT RELATIONSHIP TO KOWTOW TO THE TEENAGE STYDIA FANATICS. IT WAS A SAD ENDING TO WHAT ONCE WAS A GREAT SHOW.
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(coljjr)
(Disagree, there was way much more investment writing-wise into Marrish and Stalia than you're saying, there were many development scenes showing both ships.)
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THERE WAS A LOT OF WRITING AND THERE WERE A LOT OF SCENES IN BOTH STALIA AND MARRISH. THEY WERE DEVELOPING BOTH SHIPS IN SEASON 5. DESPITE WHAT THE STYDIA SHIPPERS REFUSE TO ADMIT.
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(Stydia shippers claim this whole thing was in 'development' since S1 etc with 'hints' but I saw nothing pointing to Lydia having feelings beyond platonic ones until it was forced on her by bad writing this season. I find most of their shippers, if not all, tend to equate Stiles lust for her over 6 seasons to be the 'development' whilst ignoring Lydia's character.)
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THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WERE NO HINTS. THERE WAS NOTHING POINTING TO ANYTHING BUT PLATONIC FRIENDSHIP FROM LYDIA TOWARD STILES. STYDIA WAS FORCED ON THE VIEWERS BY THE WRITERS WHO WERE CAVING TO THE STYDIA SHIPPERS. THE SHIPPERS POINT TO STILES' TEENAGE CRUSH ON LYDIA WHILE CONVENIENTLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT LYDIA DID NOT RETURN THOSE FEELINGS TO STILES IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
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(Even Lydia herself said and I quote "I'm done with high school boys". And that's around the time her and Parrish were becoming friends.
There were many marrish moments not just the coffee scene..how about when he locked himself up and she slowly reached for his hand?
Even the moment they met, they seemed to he flirting.)
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THERE WERE MANY MARRISH MOMENTS IN THE PREVIOUS SEASONS. WHEN SHE REACHED FOR HIS HAND THROUGH THE JAIL CELL AND LOOKED AFFECTIONATELY AT HIM. AND THE MOMENT THEY MET AND THE TIMES AFTERWARDS THAT THEY WERE FLIRTING. THE STYDIA SHIPPERS SEEM TO HAVE CONVENIENTLY FORGOTTEN THOSE MOMENTS BETWEEN LYDIA AND PARRISH. THE STYDIA SHIPPERS CLAIM THAT "IT WAS ALL IN PARRISH'S HALLUCINATIONS". NONSENSE. THERE WERE SCENES WHERE BOTH LYDIA AND PARRISH EXPRESSED A DEVELOPING LOVE FOR EACH OTHER.
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(I did not even watch season 6 & I almost did not even finish season 5. I saved myself from the madness when I heard rumors of the writers putting Stiles & Lydia together. The way they ignored Stiles's & Malia's perfect relationship for Lydia is a bit upsetting. Stiles went completely out of character & (1)practically ignored her (2) did not give a proper reason as to why he broke it off with Malia.
From what I heard about the finale, they recycled Jackson's & Lydia's love story. Smh.)
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IT WAS MADNESS. THE WRITERS COMPLETELY IGNORED STILES' AND MALIA'S RELATIONSHIP. AND THEY GAVE NO REASON WHY THEY BROKE UP. ALL OF THAT WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR STILES. AND THE "ROMANTIC" STYDIA FINALE WAS NOT JUST RECYCLED, IT WAS RUSHED AND UNBELIEVABLE.
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TO SUMMARIZE:
THE WRITERS DECIDED TO COMPROMISE AND DESTROY THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF TEEN WOLF (THE BROTHERHOOD OF STILES AND SCOTT) BY GIVING IN THE RELENTLESS PRESSURE OF THE FANATIC STYDIA SHIPPERS. THEY WROTE A SEASON THAT WAS RUSHED, CHAOTIC, AND HAD AN UNBELIEVABLE ROMANCE AT THE CENTER OF IT.
SEASON 6, AND STYDIA, WAS A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS INDEED. STYDIA MANAGED TO DESTROY ANY SHREDS OF CREDIBILITY THAT THE SHOW STILL POSSESSED. IT WAS A TRAIN WRECK OF IMMENSE PROPORTIONS.
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