re: 'based on flawed china study' review

predatory animals are different. it is in their nature, they have an instinct to hunt and kill, and do not have the option of going to store for fruits and veggies, or making some pasta and tomato sauce. wild animals also dont trim the fat, only take certain cuts of meat, or cook their food. it is my belief humans are not in the food chain, we are above it

i dont see how animals would suffer if the world went vegetarian or vegan. there would be less animals because the farmers would not overbreed them, and the ones alive would be treated well since they would be treated as pets, not products

Predation is a "fair game," the predators get a chance at food; the prey get a chance to escape. The prey are often weaker offspring (thus putting natural selection at work and breeding a stronger prey population) or are animals who have already lived a life to reproduction age. Nevertheless, prey animals are able to live to the best of their abilities and are given a chance at life. If you want to speak in terms of "suffering," prey animals "suffer" when they can't escape predators, but predators also "suffer" if they cannot eat. It's a balanced game.

Humans in developed societies are far removed from this cycle. There is no exchange, there is no opportunity that we may NOT get meat (in which case we would still survive, or how did hunter gatherers live?) We have become so good at producing meat that we never live in "suffering" of lack of prey; instead our insistence for meat has created the most disgusting of animal-raising practices. I'm not talking from a "radical" animal rights standpoint, just basic ethics, or even the most primitive understanding of sanitation.

Do you honestly believe that the suffering a lion inflicts by snapping the neck of an impala is ANYTHING like the profit-driven meat industry does to create the most amount of meat at the cheapest price?--compromising decent living spaces, so most livestock live in cramped, dark, unventilated spaces;
compromising waste management, so most livestock live in their own excrement which contaminates not only the the land and groundwater to the point of deforestation, but their meat as well;
compromising animal feed, so a lot of animals contract diseases, that ultimately pass on to humans (i.e., E. coli) from unsuitable or nutritionally-poor diets;
injecting the animals with a number of hormones (not always legal) that disfigure the animals (chickens who can never walk, cows with swollen udders);
compromising workers' rights by disallowing workers to unionize (don't forget, where the animals live, people have to work too!);
... just to name a few.

People tend to forget that farm animals, though they may have herd mentality or lower IQ, have the same needs that cherished dogs and cats do. They react in the same fear that your dog would if you left it in such inhumane living quarters; except livestock suffer it everyday.

That's what inflicting suffering is. Not when a predatory animals work meal-to-meal catching prey that live outdoors.

I don't understand your last question. It sounds too stupid to even comprehend.

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