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So these traitors turn out ot be heroes and martyrs

posted 11 years ago by pepinator2000
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It is disturbing how these known american actors were willing to be part of this extreme right wing Sinarquist propaganda movie. Maybe sometime we Mexicans will afford making a movie about American history where we get everything wrong, like for instance making a movie glorifying and raising Timothy McVeigh to the status of a martyr; yeah, nonsense, that is what this movie is, a bunch of nonsense.

The events of the movie happen when Mexico was in a stage of reconstruction after several decades of civil war, after an endless list of random generals that tried to seize power kept killing one another in the middle of countrywide chaotic uprisings.

At that point in history, when we finally had achieved peace and the last thing we wanted was yet another uprising while nurturing our young democracy, letting the Church interfere in politics was more than unacceptable. What happens next? These bunch of cristeros upraise against the government.

Mexico would be worse than it is now if those religious extremists had won. Mexico would not be a secular state now if Calles had not acted as he did.

Why people would bash Calles for defending our laical state? This country would be worse if it was one of those religious wackos driven states, dumbasses.

Achieving the separation of the Church from the State cost us too much blood in the 19th century just to let an uprising of traitors change that. And now it turns out that keeping our country secular was some sort of deranged Calles' evil agenda. Stupid movie.

Those people hanging from those posts, had it coming.

Oh and portraying the Catholic bishops as innocent servants of God with no other agenda than serving Jesus was laughable. I wonder if someone actually believes that.

Finally, that kid being tortured like Jesus Christ was too much. Sinarquist propaganda.

[–] bobbeyblade 11 years ago

That's a lot of baloney, try read a History book with facts in it and come back. Where did your ideas come from? Are dependant to Calles?

[–] pepinator2000 11 years ago

You read a book.
The movie overs simplifies everything.
Calles is evil trying to destroy the Church in Mexico for no reason.
The Bishops and the Church is all good without bad intentions whatsoever.
The Cristeros are heroes and die like Jesus Christ.

Give me a break.

[–] bobbeyblade 11 years ago

But Calles did kill many innocent ppl and in the end the Christians won, the result where that Catholic churches where allowed to hold masses again. United States actually defended an atheistic regime wow!

[–] straw_hat_boy_luffy 11 years ago

Sounds like the OP is the one in denial and buying into propaganda. Hang anyone who wants to exercise their faith because they have it coming if they dare to practice their religion. And the government murder of Jose is actually a lot more gruesome and depressing in real life. The movie actually made it seem less horrible by adding some poeticism to it. The movie's embellishment actually downplays just how horrible Calles' persecution was. But hey, kid had it coming, right? How dare he not forsake his faith. Every dictator who slaughters his people always has a "it's best for my country" excuse and the blind sheep who follow him blindly repeat the robotic "they had it coming" mantra.
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[–] pepinator2000 11 years ago

I am happy Mexico remained secular for decades after that incident.

Mexico as a nation may have many shortcomings but remaining a secular state is not one of them.

You should get more involved in the ways the Catholic Church interfered with political matters in Mexico since its inception.

And yes a kid that joins a rogue army willing to kill, whatever his reasons are, had it coming. Kids are capable of the most outrageous things. Does Columbine ring a bell?

EDIT: BTW, That kid should have remained at home. His parents were encouraging him and were actually proud his son joined an illegal militia, what kind of parents do that? Why dont we blame their uneducated parents then.

[–] straw_hat_boy_luffy 11 years ago

Seems to me that the government interferes in Church matters, and not the other way around. "Mexico remaining secular" was never the problem. The Church was never trying to rule Mexico. Prohibiting people from practicing religion in the name of keeping the state secular is tyranny. And killing in the name of "secularism" is frankly equal to the worst offenses even the most rogue religious extremist nuts are capable of.

Excuse me, but comparing this kid to Columbine shooters is the picture of absurdity. He wasn't killed for killing anybody. He was killed because he didn't renounce his faith. And he had it coming? That's always the excuse of people in the wrong. I am sure the Columbine shooters thought their victims had it coming. Every murderer in History thinks their victims had it coming.

NO! They did NOT have it coming. The government was in the WRONG. They were executing people for being Catholic and not renouncing it. That is why they executed priests who weren't hurting anybody. This "the Church was interfering in government" crap is just an excuse. Hitler had an excuse for executing the Jews. "They had it coming." And when your primary concern is some political soapbox like "keeping the country secular" (which I suppose means murdering anybody who doesn't agree with you like the Mexican government essentially did), then you'll justify murdering children. "They had it coming." Sorry, but no. When government practice tyranny, then people have a right to stand up and not take it. That is how American became free from England, after all. The sad thing is that America's help likely made it so the Cristeros couldn't achieve that goal. Which is a shame, because Mexico probably would be a better place today if it weren't so "secular." Being "secular" is the badge of honor to the blind. I am sure Hitler's followers felt the same way. Making excuses for what Calles did is exactly how Hitler and others were able to do so much damage. But hey, their people "had it coming" too, I suppose. It's funny how secularists accuse religion of causing deaths when so many tyrannical governments commit mass genocide in the name of "secularism." And then their blind sheeple make excuses like "they had it coming." Shows you that secularists tend to be the real bigots among us.

But yeah, this is a great movie and great reminder to watch for such bigoted corruptions in our own government.

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[–] kslcutter 9 years ago

Thank you for writing this. :)

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[–] Steve1a5 10 years ago

No, the Mexican government betrayed them by stripping the Mexican people of their right to religious liberty and Mexican culture.

[–] Yankeegator7 10 years ago

Vivat Christus Rex!!! Christus Primus!!!
Christus Vincit, Christus Regnat, Christus Imperat. Christus ab omni malo plebem suam defendat.

[–] Steve1a5 10 years ago

It's a Mexican movie actually, thus wasn't bound to Hollywood propaganda, so could stick with history for the most part.

[–] latin_buddy 10 years ago

Stick to history? It didn't show rural teachers having their ears removed by the "cristeros."

[–] Steve1a5 10 years ago

Gringo_negativenancy, source?

[–] Sid-Blitzen 10 years ago

I don't imagine either side behaved like boy scouts in this conflict.

[–] straw_hat_boy_luffy 10 years ago

Liberal atheists are in bigger denial than religious about the intolerant and murderous history they have.

[–] tino_skate 9 years ago

Well said.