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The way Indian cinema should go?!

posted 12 years ago by saruji23
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After Ra.One the controversy Hollywood/Bollywood seems hotter than ever.
On one hand Indian film-people say that they hate their film industry to be compared with Hollywood, on the other hand film lovers can't stop to seek for copies of Hollywood in Bollywood.
Now Ra.One even copies the SFX from Hollywood and I wonder where cinema & SRK should go to and, more important, if the people themsselve know the answer.

I often wondered if ther is a Raj-curse lying on SRK. Raj made him immortal, the ultimate star. But people start to complain that he's always doing the same Raj-lover-stuff, that he should do something new. But WHEN he does something new, people stop going to the cinema, films are flops, like Swades. I know, Chak De was a hit, but I also heard many critical voices.
Ra.One WAS a different character, a different movie, and nearly everybody is tearing it to pieces. After reading some critics I can party understand why people didn't like parts of the movie but still I like it ^_~

If you look at the whole movie industrie in India, it seems nearly the same problem. I'm from Germany and if you mention "Bollywood" people think of very long movies, with lots of music and dancing. If cinema tries something new, either horror or Sci-Fi, films flop. I haven't seen much of other genres except good old love stories, but I wonder why. Are the stories that bad? And if yes, why?

And now the final question: Should Indian Cinema try to "imitate" Hollywood, not in plots but in the way how to do movies, SFX and so on or should it stay unique, the way it is now?

My answer is: Stay like you are!
I like the improvements Indian cinema made during the last 15 years: the quality of pictures & music.
But I think Indian cinema should stop trying to run after Hollywood. Yes, the SFX in Ra.One were extremely good, astonishing & I liked them. But I'm a romantic girl and I admitt, that I prefere romatic movies. I like it, that the heroes start ripping their shirt off instead of "half naked" heroines. If women can be sexy, men can be, too.
But getting too "western" will kill the unique charme. Maybe it's because I'm non Indian but I like the cinema jusst the way it is BECAUSE it is different. And I want it to stay that way. It can make exceptions like Ra.One, but at it's heart it should stay the way it is, without people complaining that it is always the same and the hate when someone starts something new.

And I'm not writing this because I like SRK. I like a lot of Indian actors and if someone else would have made a movie the way SRK did with the same hatefull reaction I would have reacted the same way.

People just should make up their minds, whether they like the old cinema or want a new cinema and giving the producers and actors a chance to invent a new cinema, if they want it.

[–] priyodit 12 years ago

@saruji23:

The movies flop, not because they are different, but because they do not cross the threshold the people set[if the theme is known] or else, they deliver something so different, that people don't comprehend.

Examples of first kind is Ra.One and other movies.
Examples of latter kind are "lamhe" [where a middle aged guy falls in love with a 20-ish girl, who is daughter of his crush]. This movie was a lot ahead of its times, so people couldn't digest watching this.

Ra.One suffers from the problem of diluting the plot, and also that the jokes were adult, when the movie was supposed to be for kids. We don't have problems with the script, it's fine.

Consider a few bullets:

1. The jokes, in hindi, are pretty much cheap. They are either insinuating slang, or some half baked stuff- which could be even more funny, if thought properly.

2. Wasted introduction- the first scene with srk as lucifer was out of context, and could have been avoided.

3. Expressions being in total incongruity with the situation- for example- with so tense a situation, you can not afford to relax, let alone laughing. I'm not saying laughing is barred, but showing a reaction so chilled, as if all's ok on the western front [where they were earlier].

4. Hollywood Comparison: Cheating is bad. Whoever cheats is bad. Whether it's My Sassy girl [in english, copied from Korean original ], or The Ring [from Ringu], or Ra.One copying from Terminator 2, matrix, etc. Tribute is different, but copying- not ethical. You took my real money, and you give me a copied stuff [like: you promised me the waffle, and gave me a stale bread] - this is wrong.

5. I too am bored of love stories being always the main theme of Indian movies, dish out something new! Trying is not bad- people should try things. "Chak De" was a good movie, and people liked it. Biggest thing- it didn't have a love story, it had passion! There are so many beautiful concepts in the world, think and get some- "Munnabhai MBBS" was one such example.

My recommendation: There's one sci-fi which i liked, because it was made with a deep understanding of a child's psychology, with enough respect for it- it was "Mr. India". Do watch it, if you can lay your hands on it.

Regards,
Nimesh

[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

@priyodit

1-well the jokes were indeed a bit adult but not as half baked or slapstick as most hidi movies...

2-partially true...the purpose of the scene was to show the kids love for video games....

3-good point again....but i think most of the times the camera did show them laughing and smiling,but it also did show quick shots of sadness as well...the whole dildaara song was kind of like a mourning session of the movie..and if a person who was dead comes back alive [or lookalike] with superpowers ,its easy to forget your pains for a moment...

4-the whole copying issue is pretty much more of a similar/popular idea being used than a ripoff....ive answered against ripoff theories of T2,Tron,Ironman,Matrix ,if u have any points u felt Ra.One copied pls do share it...

5-the love potrayed in this movie was indeed different...
the first half---Shekhar and Sonia ,most people think its this love story,but actually its the love of a father to his son that is more prominently potrayed[Shekar and his kid]

the second half---G.One and Sonia? again wrong...Sonia's love for G.one is actually her love for Shekhar,she sees a part of Shekhar in G.One...
The Kid[im tired of calling him the kid...Prateek] and G.One....here the kids love is too late...he felt he lost opportunities to love his dad before his death,so just like Sonia he too is seeing G.One as a part of Shekar...

so final note on love,incase u skipped/didn understand what i wrote is----the love story is actually more of parental love than the romantic love...how many recent hindi movies have tried that?

Hate to Ra.One unjustified-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1562871/board/thread/190673104?d=190673104 #190673104

Ra.One's importance to Indian Cinema-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1562871/board/thread/190289130

My REVIEW OF RA.One
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1562871/board/thread/190289027

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

<<And I want it to stay that way. It can make exceptions like Ra.One, but at it's heart it should stay the way it is, without people complaining that it is always the same and the hate when someone starts something new.>>
Pretty much what i wanted to convey in my blog. Well said

This is Indian cinema, not some wannabe western one. We have our own unique flavor and themes. Keep bashing ourselves just because it may not match up to Hollywood standards is certainly not a sign of a proud culture.

[–] priyodit 12 years ago

Bashing on the correct issue is good- this is the sign of market rejecting a bad product.
Copied stuff should be discouraged, and original thinking should be encouraged, this is how we will evolve. It's not a sign of low esteem, but a wish to excel.

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

Doesn't look like a wish to excel. It looks more like a wish to be accepted by some elitists. Elitists who have a certain sensibility and taste. Elitists who have a better grammar and apparently have some way with articulation.

Hollywood copies other stuff too. Batman movies have been made hundreds of times, but since they have been praised abroad, our elitists and other wannabees will find a way to praise it. I would like to know what is original about 'The Dark Knight' or even 'Shawshunk Redemption' for that matter. But still they are praised left right and center, they even have some loyal fans for that matter who are going to raise their eyebrows just at the mention of this movie in this thread.

Lets face the facts. What is your definition of excelling?

[–] jubair07 12 years ago

I cant explain it to you if you cant find what excellent of those two movies you mentioned. Perhaps you should learn it by yourself or talk to movie critics.

''Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't mean we all have''

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

Movies are excellant, we all know that. Question is about ORIGINALITY of the story, and i can see how conviniently you dodged/escaped that.
And why should i talk to critics? They don't pay me to watch the movies.
Kindly stick to the topic of the debate.

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

Batman movies have been made hundreds of times, but since they have been praised abroad, our elitists and other wannabees will find a way to praise it. I would like to know what is original about 'The Dark Knight' or even 'Shawshunk Redemption' for that matter.

Batman movies are not copied, they are based on comic books. They buy copyrights. Only 1st batman movie which came in 1989 and Nolan's batman movies were good, others were very bad. You can check their imdb ratings. They were not praised. I don't why you said that. You asked what is original about TDK, both Batman (1989) and TDK had The Joker as the main villain but look at the way their characters were played. Do you really think both the jokers were portrayed similarly? Also the story of both the movies is different. Tell me what TDK has copied, other than both movies have Batman, Bruce Wayne, The Joker, Gordan. Is that your definition of copying??? If you think so, I can't argue with you.

And 'The Shawshank Redemption' was based on a book by Stephen King. They took permission of the writer,bought copyrights and then made the movie. It is not called as copying. And I don't care whether Ra.One was copied from other movies or not, it was sill horrible!!!

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

Whether you buy a copyright or not, you cannot refuse that movie doesn't have an original story which hasn't been told before.
And i am talking about the story here, not how the characters are portrayed.

Why don't you tell what was original in the movie? Saying that 'if you think so and so, i can't argue with you' won't work. It is an old trick which i have seen many people using to escape the debate.

I know TDK is excellant, it is the only movie so far whose DVD i have bought. I felt 'The Shawshank Redemption' was a dead bore. I just cannot understand what people like in the movie.

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

Whether you buy a copyright or not, you cannot refuse that movie doesn't have an original story which hasn't been told before.

Ok, which movie has the same story as TDK? TDK is based on two different comic books, one is The Joker's origin which came in 1940 (Don't know the name) and The Long Halloween which came in 1996-97. Nolan didn't just copied the stories, he made his own using these 2 comic books series. So now you tell me which Batman movie has the same story as TDK. Leave the batman movies, name any movie ever made in the world, not just in Hollywood which has the same story as TDK. Also the character of Rachael is Nolan's idea. It doesn't feature in any of the comic books. And the whole story of how Dent becomes Two Face, how he tells the media that he is the batman, his arrest, how The Joker tries to kill him on the highway, followed by The Joker's arrest, and the end where Two Face kidnaps Gorden's family and his death, is also original. It doesn't happen in the comic book. Now it's your turn to tell me what TDK has copied (and I mean story) from other movies.

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

What man!! Are you serious?

Batman (1989) has quite similar story where the Batman has to deal with Joker.
In fact, the plot of secret vigilante, who is fighting with people in a different suit because of what he has gone through personally, was seen in our very own 'Shehanshah' (starring Amitabh Bachchan) also. And I don't believe that these are the only two movies which has the story of secret vigilante fighting crime in a different suit at night, there would be more, may be some movie historian can verify that.

And what did you mean by
<<Nolan didn't just copied the stories, he made his own using these 2 comic books series. So now you tell me which Batman movie has the same story as TDK>>

What else is copying? Inspite of copying from one novel/movie, he has copied from two. Yes, i read that wiki page too :)

<<And the whole story of how Dent becomes Two Face, how he tells the media that he is the batman, his arrest, how The Joker tries to kill him on the highway, followed by The Joker's arrest, and the end where Two Face kidnaps Gorden's family and his death, is also original.>>
I am not saying that each and every scene is copied. Guess we need to understand the differnce between scenes and story. So, the way your argument comes across is, he took the same story and added some of his own things in it.

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

In fact, the plot of secret vigilante, who is fighting with people in a different suit because of what he has gone through personally, was seen in our very own 'Shehanshah' (starring Amitabh Bachchan) also.

Shehanshah was released in 1988 and Batman was first appeared in 1939. You figure out who copied whom.

What else is copying?

How is that copying? His movies are based on a comic book character. Everyone knows that. Even he credited Bob Cane in the writing credits. Nolan didn't tell anyone that batman was his own creation... So according to you, Harry Potter, Sherlock Holmes, LOTR and every other superhero movie and every movie based on a book are also copies, then I sincerely apologize for hurting your feelings. I guess you don't know the difference between inspiration/buying copyrights/giving credit to the opriginal author and blatantly copying things without permission. I again apologize... Please forgive me.

And you didn't tell me how the story of TDK is copied from other movies. (Apart from a secret vigilante fighting crime, because that's what superheroes do). Does that mean every love story is a copy of another as in every love story the boy meets girl, he woos her, they fall in love, if they are lucky there is no villain, if they are not, hero defeats the villain and they live happily ever after!!!

Bravo bro, you gave 'Copying' a whole new meaning!!!

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

<<Shehanshah was released in 1988 and Batman was first appeared in 1939. You figure out who copied whom.>>
Doesn't matter who copied whom, point was 'The Dark Knight' was not an original story.

<<(Apart from a secret vigilante fighting crime, because that's what superheroes do>>
No, all super heroes don't. Super man is not a vigilante, neither is Iron man, and their are countless others, who are not vigilantes in actual sense. A super hero is an individual who protects the public. He can be a secret vigilante or he can do it openly. In our movie Ra.one, G.One is not a secret vigilante. I guess that is the problem in your assumption, which ironically is basis of your hypothesis.

I appreciate that you have tried to explain the concept, but there is a problem. I have not tried to examine the story and inspiration of 'The Dark Knight' from ethical perspective. In fact, i have no problem in copying stories as long as the final product is enjoyable. Basically what you are saying is, if I am taking a plot from somewhere else, it is ok to do that if i give proper credit to the original author. Point i was making was not in terms of right or wrong, but i was simply trying to highlight that story is not original, irrespective of the fact it was used rightfully or wrongfully. I guess you need to look at this a bit objectively and dispassionately.

As far as sherlock holmes and harry potter goes, they are not remakes, but TDK remotely is. Can we atleast agree on that??

Even if i take your definition of copying in terms of scene by scene, then Ra.One is not a copy of any movie scene by scene either. Any similarity you see in Ra.One with other movies, can be dismissed by saying 'that's what super heroes do'.

Every movie doesn't have to be an invention or even innovation, it just has to be enjoyable.

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

No, all super heroes don't. Super man is not a vigilante, neither is Iron man

May be I wasn't clear, but I meant to say superheroes fight crime. I didn't mean to say superheroes are vigilante. I wrote that wrong.

but i was simply trying to highlight that story is not original

So as every love story. Or many sports related movies where underdog defeats pros. They all have the same basic plot.

As far as sherlock holmes and harry potter goes, they are not remakes, but TDK remotely is. Can we atleast agree on that??

No, I don't agree that TDK is a remake of any movie.The Ring, The Grudge, The Departed (to name a few) are remakes, not TDK. The story was pretty original.[Otherwise the movie wouldn't have been that successful (not just in terms of collections but critical acclaim too) ] The fans take superhero movies very seriously (At least I do).

Even if i take your definition of copying in terms of scene by scene, then Ra.One is not a copy of any movie scene by scene either. Any similarity you see in Ra.One with other movies, can be dismissed by saying 'that's what super heroes do'.

I really don't care whether Ra.One copied things from other movies. I mentioned that in my first reply (Read the last line). Just because you said, TDK wasn't original, I had to reply. I don't care what happens to Ra.One,how much money does it make, that movie is horrible. (Not because I think, we can't make superhero movies and we should stick to rom-coms, it was because the horrible acting by SRK, the story (rather the execution of the story),dialogues, etc.)

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

<<Otherwise the movie wouldn't have been that successful (not just in terms of collections but critical acclaim too)>>
Not necessarily, people accuse titanic and avatar of taking a plot from some other movies too, but they have been hugely successful in terms of acclaim as well as box office.
You might be taking it seriously, but I don't, so don't generalize all super hero movie fans.

Also, just by citing bits and pieces of a movie which doesn't have obvious resemblance with other batman movies, you can't say that story is original. I guess there is still some confusion about what is story and what is screenplay. If you are talking about how Harvey Dent becoming 2-face is differently shown in TDK from Batman (1989), then its not the difference in plot, but the screenplay. Basic plot is still the same, and I don't understand why you are not understanding the simple thing.

<<I really don't care whether Ra.One copied things from other movies>>
So, you don't care now! So, Ra.One is original or not, according to you? At least we can come to a census on if the Ra.One is original or not, according to the definitions and benchmarks used by you for terming TDK as an original story!

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

You might be taking it seriously, but I don't , so don't generalize all super hero movie fans.

Look who's talking. You wrote a lengthy blog about Ra.One and why people hate it. And you are telling me that you don't take it seriously??? Then what was that all about??? I don't even write a review of the movies I like!!! And I take only those superhero movies seriously which are about the superheros I like. eg. Spiderman and Batman. I don't care for Captain America or Green Lantern.

And Two Face was not in Batman (1989).

I guess there is still some confusion about what is story and what is screenplay. If you are talking about how Harvey Dent becoming 2-face is differently shown in TDK from Batman (1989), then its not the difference in plot, but the screenplay. Basic plot is still the same.

And what might be the basic plot (which is same enough to call TDK a copy)??

And according to your logic, most of the (not generalizing, happy??) love stories have the same plot, so they are all copies of each other, and so are most of the superhero movies, right???

So, you don't care now!

Not now, I never cared if Ra.One was copied or original.Bollywood movies copy all the time. I am used to it. (You can check my message board history, I never said Ra.One sucked because it was a copy)

So, Ra.One is original or not, according to you?

Ra.One is not entirely original. The basic plot of Ra.One is, G.One saving Prateek form Ra.One who comes out of a video game to kill him. The plot is similar to Terminator 2 where The Terminator saves John Connor from T-1000 who comes from the future (It would have been be too lame for villain to come out of a video game in a Hollywood movie, even Bollywood can do that!!) But hey, how would I know, I am not even smart enough to understand the difference between a story and a screenplay!!!
And one more thing, G.One's powers are copied from the character in 'Infamous'. Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES3hTksK998

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

@horizon

Ra.One is not entirely original. The basic plot of Ra.One is, G.One saving Prateek form Ra.One who comes out of a video game to kill him. The plot is similar to Terminator 2 where The Terminator saves John Connor from T-1000 who comes from the future (It would have been be too lame for villain to come out of a video game in a Hollywood movie, even Bollywood can do that!!) But hey, how would I know, I am not even smart enough to understand the difference between a story and a screenplay!!!
And one more thing, G.One's powers are copied from the character in 'Infamous'. Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES3hTksK998

does that mean if any person comes from another dimension/world to save a kid is a copy of terminator??then i suppose many can be accused of that...

ofcourse its lame for you to see someone come out of a videogame....
but its ok if a guy creates as suit out of missiles.....or wait,a guy is bitten by a insect and gets superpowers..wat about a guy gets big and green if hes angry..wait,what about a alien/god who is kicked out from the skies and becomes a superhero on earth....what if theres some union of these strange guys and form a group called Avengers/JLA...ya nice...all must be soooo believable for you right?

G.One's power is copied.?? or is it similar??or is it just plain coincidence?
why didnt u just mention those japenese cartoons that have fights where one character fights the other by sending out energy balls? did infamous rip them?i felt ra.one gave enough tributes to those cartoons.[the dream fight scene and the finale energy ball fight]

similarities can be found in any superhero,if u dig deep enough...just check this out

First DC came out with Batman. Than Marvel followed suit with Iron Man. While on the surface the two characters seem very different. However, when you dig just a bit, you find the similarities. Batman was born wealthy, with great intelligence, lost both parents, trained to be a warrior, fights crime and protects those who need it, and lastly leads a life of solitude and self-hatred. Iron Man was born wealthy, with superior intelligence (genius), eventually lost his parents, self-trained to be a hero, fights crime and protects those who need it and lastly leads a life of solitude and self-loathing. Batman has a butler who is his best friend and most helpful alley. Iron Man's closest friend/alley is his assistant. Both are the heads of major corporations and are decadent while not in there true identities. By true identities, I mean when they are Batman and Iron Man. Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark are there disguises. There are more characters comparisons that those two. Although, following there movie successes these two are the most popular.

To name just a few:

DC vs. Marvel
=============
Superman/The Sentry
Wonder Woman/Ms. Marvel
Green Arrow/Hawkeye
The Flash/Quicksilver
Deathstrike(Deathblow?)/Deadpool
aquaman -namor
Justice league--Avengers
Thor-Superman
Deadshot - Bullseye
Joker - Green Goblin

And the smallest seed of an idea can grow,to define..or destroy you

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

does that mean if any person comes from another dimension/world to save a kid is a copy of terminator??then i suppose many can be accused of that...

We can say that the story is not original. That's what I said about Ra.One, the plot is not original. You can't deny that.

but its ok if a guy creates as suit out of missiles.....or wait,a guy is bitten by a insect and gets superpowers..wat about a guy gets big and green if hes angry..wait,what about a alien/god who is kicked out from the skies and becomes a superhero on earth....what if theres some union of these strange guys and form a group called Avengers/JLA...ya nice...all must be soooo believable for you right?

At least they give some believable (though it may seem impossible for the current technology) explanation.

G.One's power is copied.?? or is it similar??or is it just plain coincidence?

Whatever makes you feel better. They are not original that's all I wanted to say.

why didnt u just mention those japenese cartoons that have fights where one character fights the other by sending out energy balls? did infamous rip them?i felt ra.one gave enough tributes to those cartoons.[the dream fight scene and the finale energy ball fight]

Because I have not seen any of those Japanese cartoons. But if you have seen them, you can say their powers are not original.

Yes, there are similarities between Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark, but that doesn't make Ra.One original.
Can you please stick to the topic and answer why Ra.One is original instead of pointing out other superheros' similarities? Bashing them won't help you defending Ra.One.

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

@horizon

ra.ones plot is simple...maybe thats wat u wanted to say...it was predictable maybe..there i can agree with you....but the concept was pretty good [characters from games materializing into reality]

just as you can justify other heroes origin,ra.ones too can be justified...the first scene showed very well how the technology barron company had created allows the rays to be touched and seen...

while i watched the Infamous video yesterday,i felt i had seen this somewhere,but couldnt actually pinpoint where....today i remembered where...Prototype..the whole infamous looked like a giant ripoff Prototype...and ra.ones concept was made 5-6 years earlier..thus pre-dating infamous...

and personally i dont find any basic similarity between the heroes i did mention..but arent such similarities the one u guys use to compare and bash Ra.one with?
u guys have no problem with batman-ironman similarities....but u guys can sure can link ra.one with them..how come?..did u complain how ironman's origin wasnt original since batman too had the same type of origin?

my point is....why are u biased when it comes to bollywood superheroes?

And the smallest seed of an idea can grow,to define..or destroy you

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

ra.ones plot is simple...maybe thats wat u wanted to say...it was predictable maybe..there i can agree with you....but the concept was pretty good [characters from games materializing into reality]

Umm no, I didn't mean to say that the plot was simple. There is nothing wrong in having a simple plot. Many good movies have a simple plots. I meant to say that the plot wasn't original. I thought it was pretty clear by what I wrote.

the first scene showed very well how the technology barron company had created allows the rays to be touched and seen...

Then why Ra.One needed that statue which was in the gaming room? (there was a Ra.One's statue where Prateek played the game for the first time, SRK later put a rose in his hand)That statue was like a human sized action figure,that means that H.A.R.T. next to the statue was a replica. How that can be used as an actual energy source? And if the rays can form a physical form, why Ra.One needed that statue to take a form?

and personally i dont find any basic similarity between the heroes i did mention..but arent such similarities the one u guys use to compare and bash Ra.one with?

No, I didn't say Ra.One sucked because it was similar to other superheroes. I have given my explanation about Ra.One in the above reply. I'll copy that here so you won't have to search.

that movie is horrible. (Not because I think, we can't make superhero movies and we should stick to rom-coms, it was because the horrible acting by SRK, the story (rather the execution of the story),dialogues, etc.)

did u complain how ironman's origin wasnt original since batman too had the same type of origin?

The batman and Ironman had a different origin, the reason why Bruce Wayne became batman because his parents were murdered by some criminal and he wanted to avenge that. He decided to become a vigilante at very young age. While the reasons of Tony Stark are different which were shown in the movie (haven't read comic books). He became Iron man in the mid 40's. There are some similarities in their character that they are rich and use technology instead of having actual superpowers. Most of the superheroes have lost their parents at a very young age eg: superman, spiderman, batman, daredevil. Does that make those superheroes same?

why are u biased when it comes to bollywood superheroes

How is calling a bad movie, bad is biased? I didn't like Green Lantern. Iron-man 2 was average, so as Captain America, and the Batman movies in the 90's were horrible too. How am I being biased?

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

And if the rays can form a physical form, why Ra.One needed that statue to take a form?

Ra.one couldnt just come out....he was adapting himself to the environment around him,testing how far he could push himself outside of the videogame into reality...
so in the beginning he transferred a few pixels to the handgear [the one akashi wore during training],thus creating a sort of a link....now this handgear was used to train ra.one....and once its purpose was fulfilled it was kept as part of the ra.one suit in the hallway...the one prateek uses is for controlling g.one...
now when ra.one does begin to transfer himself,he connects to the handgear once again,its the handgear that comes to life first[shown by the rose crushing],later ra.one just transfers his whole body out..thus filling the robe...the ra.one statue outside didnt have a face,but after the transfer it did...

how could the HART be used as an actual energy source?

the Hart is useful only to the game characters...only they can use the Hart to draw out power...

Most of the superheroes have lost their parents at a very young age eg: superman, spiderman, batman, daredevil. Does that make those superheroes same?

true...most of the superheroes are in constant persuit of a villain or are usually protecting someone related...they dont think about themselves inorder to eliminate evil..so sacrifices are common in most superhero movies...there will be chases and explosions on the way...
Does that make those superheroes same? so i can firmly say that T2 and ra.one and all other superheroes are victim to similar plots but not actual ripoffs...

i didnt say that u were biased since u thought ra.one was bad....i said why u were biased when u compared ra.one to hollywood and find similarities ,as if the other movies of hollywood could also be called ripoffs stating such comparisons...

how many new superheroes have u heard of?all this ironman ,thor,captain,batman all came before the 80's.....its not as if new superheroes arent being created but if u compare them ull feel they have ripped the legendary heroes too...

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[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

Ra.one couldnt just come out....he was adapting himself to the environment around him,testing how far he could push himself outside of the video game into reality...

It's not mentioned in the movie. It is just your opinion. If I ask this question to 10 different guys, they might come up with different answers, which makes it an opinion, not a fact.And if he was using a statue how did he shattered into pieces and was able to regain it's form? statues can't do that.

the Hart is useful only to the game characters...only they can use the Hart to draw out power...

No I meant how the HART in the statue can be used as the actual original source, it was just a replica, I don't think the gaming team actually created an energy source. It didn't contain any power, it was just glowing like a light bulb.

T2 and ra.one and all other superheroes are victim to similar plots but not actual ripoffs...

I didn't say Ra.One was a rip-off. It was just not original.

how many new superheroes have u heard of?

None actually,except Ben-10 in which I have no interest. I don't even know if it is new or old. I like classic superheroes like spiderman, batman, wolverine etc. Not interested in new one's. I never paid attention to new comic books...

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[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

@horizon

no it isnt my personal opinion ,its shown very clearly in the movie....ra.one keeps trying to come out,transferring pixels,then making an shot impact at the wall etc...as the movie progressed he kept gaining more and more experience,why? shekhar made him to learn and adapt to the situation...

from the moment ra.one assumed his form and the moment he shattered[u meant the scene where g.one shatters ra.one after the car blasting scene,right?],how times did he shapeshift?did he actually form into the statue or did he just copy its resemblance? thats how ra.one looks in the game,so thats why he always returns to his original look,the pixelated face..and by the way what was the statue made of? did it have a body? no...it was just a suit..ra.one formed himself into the suit...he could have disposed of it,the moment he shapeshifted into akashi...and later took shape his original form...

actually i saw the HART more of a "save game folder" in the eyes of the gamer...the one who plays the game needs the G.one Hart inorder to save his progress....wat about Ra.One,right?nobody is gonna play him,so why was his HART made,right?
the way the game is played is a bit hi-tech.more of a wii kind of game..and do u remember how shekhar said that as you play against ra.one more,ra.one learns your combat moves and becomes a tougher oppenent each time..how will that happen?...the G.one HART is worn by the player,while the RA.one HART is attached to the game...so each time u play against the game the Ra.One hart stores your moves and makes ra.one harder to beat each time...

just as you said no new heroes are as remarkable as the legends,isnt india's attempt to make a new hero noteworthy?that too with a decent origin concept [that is videogame characters coming into reality]...

And the smallest seed of an idea can grow,to define..or destroy you

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

no it isnt my personal opinion ,its shown very clearly in the movie....ra.one keeps trying to come out,transferring pixels,then making an shot impact at the wall etc...as the movie progressed he kept gaining more and more experience,why? shekhar made him to learn and adapt to the situation...

That's not the answer for why he needed that suit.

did he actually form into the statue or did he just copy its resemblance? thats how ra.one looks in the game,so thats why he always returns to his original look,the pixelated face..

That's why I asked,why he needed the statue in the first place if he can always return to his original form?

actually i saw the HART more of a "save game folder" in the eyes of the gamer...the one who plays the game needs the G.one Hart inorder to save his progress....wat about Ra.One,right?nobody is gonna play him,so why was his HART made,right?

It wasn't mentioned in the movie either. So it's not a fact, just an opinion.

Also, why G.One contains metal (airport scene) if he is formed by rays? And what would happen if they both misfire? How would the game end? And if Ra.One learns combat moves from G.One, why didn't he take his HART out the way G.One did when Ra.One shot him at the end? He should have taken his HART out instead of creating 10 alternatives. Also I didn't understand why G.One took Ra.One's HART (1st fight)?

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[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

why g.one contains metal?
the hart was metallic so he had it attached to his chest...

if they both misfire?
if both misfire,level 3 will be restarted...[just kidding,even i dono..but there would be some alternative since the only time we heard the rules was by Shekhar in one scene...he didnt exactly read a manual and explain all probabilities..]
another point is that Ra.one the game was just completed..it now had to be tested with a group before actually selling it to the public...so the error would have been solved in that stage..

And if Ra.One learns combat moves from G.One, why didn't he take his HART out the way G.One did when Ra.One shot him at the end?
Ra.one is egoistic...thats why he couldnt bear it when a kid defeated him twice and then chased him around killing people..so he didn take out his Hart because he believed that neither G.one nor the kid would be able to solve the puzzle..

why G.One took Ra.One's HART (1st fight)?
The Hart gives extra power when worn...Ra.ones main irritation is that he didnt have enough power since G.one took it from him...G.one did so because he didnt want Ra.one to gain too much power..thats why it took Ra.one that much time to reform and turn into PI[arjun rampal]...it was just g.ones plan to slow ra.one down...

And the smallest seed of an idea can grow,to define..or destroy you

[–] batman_begins1 12 years ago

In the last level why did ra.one tried to confuse the duo by making 10 copies,when he very well could have snatched the gun from our G.one and shot his with the bullet?
After all there was only one g.one,right?

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[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

the hart was metallic so he had it attached to his chest...

But in the movie, when the company first demonstrates the game, Akaashi wears the H.A.R.T. (on the gaming suit or whatever it is called) G.One doesn't need to wear it!!! So why did they change it in the middle of the movie?

another point is that Ra.one the game was just completed..it now had to be tested with a group before actually selling it to the public...so the error would have been solved in that stage.

Yes but they should have thought about the alternate ending before coding (before designing actually), not after testing.

Ra.one is egoistic...

Ra.One should not have feelings as he was not a human being. He can't understand human emotions.

he didn take out his Hart because he believed that neither G.one nor the kid would be able to solve the puzzle..

Which could have been the dumbest move, as he had just seen G.One didn't die even if he was shot. Ra.One didn't have to replicate himself.

The Hart gives extra power when worn

(Then why did you say it was like 'save game folder'? was it a multipurpose H.A.R.T.? ) It wasn't mentioned in the movie that it gives extra power. They only said their power will increase after they enter the next level. And when will their power decrease, because Ra.One was doing just fine without H.A.R.T... And how do they recharge the H.A.R.T to gain full power? G.One's power must have decreased too with all the fighting with Ra.One and the goons at the airport and all the dancing, and the train scene? He didn't seen weak at all!!!

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[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

But in the movie, when the company first demonstrates the game, Akaashi wears the H.A.R.T. (on the gaming suit or whatever it is called) G.One doesn't need to wear it!!! So why did they change it in the middle of the movie?

that was because he was training Ra.one...

Yes but they should have thought about the alternate ending before coding (before designing actually), not after testing.

if u do remember ,barron says the last few games the dept had came up with were big flops...maybe they concentrated more on developing the game and didnt pay attn to the alternative end...a silliy mistake on part of the gaming division...

Ra.One should not have feelings as he was not a human being. He can't understand human emotions.

ra.one is a fast learner...he searchs for a person with vengence ,mocks people and even imitates them...he sure is egoistic...

Which could have been the dumbest move, as he had just seen G.One didn't die even if he was shot. Ra.One didn't have to replicate himself.

call it dumb.....but again such an act comes up from his ego...
how many times in various movies have villains chit-chatted with the helpless hero instead of finishing him off...or explaining the whole scheme of the plan to the hero? EGO...

(Then why did you say it was like 'save game folder'? was it a multipurpose H.A.R.T.? It wasn't mentioned in the movie that it gives extra power. They only said their power will increase after they enter the next level. And when will their power decrease, because Ra.One was doing just fine without H.A.R.T... And how do they recharge the H.A.R.T to gain full power? G.One's power must have decreased too with all the fighting with Ra.One and the goons at the airport and all the dancing, and the train scene? He didn't seen weak at all!!!

the whole save game idea was just my opinion....The Hart is primarily the source of energy for the wearer...
without the Hart the power of the wearer decreases...maybe to 50%..
in some scenes it was shown Ra.One struggling because he missed his HART..
actually G.One recharges himself before going to fight Ra.one [remember the whole electric power sucking scene after the train scene?]

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[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

that was because he was training Ra.one...

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
How does that answer my question? "Akaashi was wearing H.A.R.T. to train Ra.One!!!" Let me ask the question again. Read carefully this time. when the company first demonstrates the game, Akaashi wears the H.A.R.T. (on the gaming suit or whatever it is called), G.One doesn't need to wear it!!! So why did they change it in the middle of the movie? (airport scene)

maybe they concentrated more on developing the game and didnt pay attn to the alternative end

What a bunch of idiots!!! No programmer will do that. At least the one who designed the game or the team leader will think about every detail before coding. No wonder the game had bugs!!!

he sure is egoistic.

No, he's not. He doesn't (or at least shouldn't) have feelings. Game villains kill us because they are programmed to kill, not because they have feelings. The terrorists in Counter Strike don't kill the counter terrorists because they are angry, or they want to induce fear on to hostages, they kill because they are programmed to kill. They don't have feelings. Same is the case with Ra.One.

how many times in various movies have villains chit-chatted with the helpless hero instead of finishing him off...or explaining the whole scheme of the plan to the hero? EGO...

Because they are humans. They have feelings, over-confidence.. Ra.One doesn't.

remember the whole electric power sucking scene after the train scene.

Yes, I saw one of the interviews of SRK. He said G.One uses electricity as power. That answered my question.

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[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

ok,its been almost 3 weeks since ive seen this movie so the details of stuff are a bit blurry so pls do bear with me...

when the company first demonstrates the game, Akaashi wears the H.A.R.T., G.One doesn't need to wear it!!! So why did they change it in the middle of the movie? (airport scene)

there are 2 HARTs ,one red,one blue....akashi wears the red one when hes training Ra.One...G.one was made to fight in auto mode at that time...
in the airport scene,g.one wears his Hart[the blue one] in his chest,and the red one is hidden in his pants...[that was the only scene i hated in this movie]

ye you are right that the leader should have thought about it...but how do u know if he had? the guns dint misfire..if it had and the movie didn explain,we could call it a goof....
another thing,did Shekhar tell that in the end ra.one would pose a puzzle? no...just like that, he must not have mentioned what would have happened if the guns did misfire...

No, he's not. He doesn't (or at least shouldn't) have feelings. Game villains kill us because they are programmed to kill, not because they have feelings. The terrorists in Counter Strike don't kill the counter terrorists because they are angry, or they want to induce fear on to hostages, they kill because they are programmed to kill. They don't have feelings. Same is the case with Ra.One.

Ra.one also shouldnt have been able to break out of the videogame and kill peole..when creating ra.one,there was a board on the wall with 10 different evil characteristics...one of them was EGO...which is an evil/bad personality....
Ra.one was different than other games..because he was able to think or he became self-aware...he was able to threathen akashi..but prateek?no...prateek defeated him twice..he wanted revenge...

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[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

No, Akaashi wears the blue one to play as G.One. He wasn't training Ra.One. And nobody needs to wear the red HART. I don't even understand why they needed to create red HART as nobody was going to play as Ra.One. And Ra.One as a game character, wouldn't need an "actual" HART. I think it is a goof.

The gun didn't misfire because the writers (not programmers, it was a faulty writing) didn't think of it, they assumed that the people are very stupid and they will be so excited by seeing the special effects and forget about the story.

he must not have mentioned what would have happened if the guns did misfire...

But is was the main plot detail (alternate solution to kill Ra.One), Ra.One could have used any of the moves to kill G.One as he was learning new tactics. So there is very little chance of Shekhar knowing all the moves used by Ra.One. The writers (we cant blame Shekhar here) clearly haven't thought about what would happen if both misfire.

Ra.one also shouldn't have been able to break out of the videogame

It was a bug, which is normal thing.Many games have bugs. But game characters don't have feelings. And he was able to think because he was programmed that way. Eg. Chess. The opponent thinks too, but it is all programming. They have no feelings. And he didn't want revenge, he was just programmed to kill G.One and Lucifer played as G.One so he went to kill him instead.

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[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

@horizon
good points...
honestly ive forgotten the exact details...when the dvd comes out ill definitely reply back..or maybe create a new thread...

but on the ego issue,im still sticking on to my point...

we just differ on the way we look at the situation....

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[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

Sure buddy!!! Would you start the thread on Indian Cinema Board? I don't think there will be many people on Ra.One's board by the time the DVD comes out...

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[–] rojagegeo 12 years ago

@horizon

no problem....
there will another wave of haters vs supporters when the dvd comes out...

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[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

<<Look who's talking. You wrote a lengthy blog about Ra.One and why people hate it. And you are telling me that you don't take it seriously??? Then what was that all about??? I don't even write a review of the movies I like!!! And I take only those superhero movies seriously which are about the superheros I like. eg. Spiderman and Batman. I don't care for Captain America or Green Lantern.>>
No, I don't take movies seriously. They are just a piece of entertainment and they are not meant to be taken seriously. Sorry, I don't see any connection between writing a blog and taking the movie seriously.

<<And what might be the basic plot (which is same enough to call TDK a copy)??>>
Not sure if i called it a copy, just that story is not original.
See the plot summary of this title
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/

<<And according to your logic, most of the (not generalizing, happy??) love stories have the same plot, so they are all copies of each other, and so are most of the superhero movies, right??? >>
No, 'love story' is just another name to a 'romance film'. I don't think 'Gadar', and 'Ajab prem ki gazab kahani' have similar stories, because basic plot is different. Not sure what is the confusion with you, i never said that all the super hero movies have same story.

I seriously don't understand the confusion here. From what i have understood of your posts, 'Don' starring Amitabh Bachchan and 'Don - the chase begins' starring SRK is also different because of some twist, turns and characters added in the movie. Is that correct? Then why the production house has to buy the rights to make a 'remake' of that movie?

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

But you took Ra.One seriously and were trying to defend this cheap product.

I don't think 'Gadar', and 'Ajab prem ki gazab kahani' have similar stories.

That's why I have written most of the love stories.Could you at least read carefully?

And no, Both 'Don' have the same plot. They added that twist to make a sequel and make more and more money, (because Bollywood has clearly ran out of ideas)
nothing else.

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[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

Calm down dude, I read that carefully. So, i guess we are on the same page that some movies have common plot and some don't. I got that, but what is your point? If there are differnet plots being used, then how is bollywood running out of ideas?

If SRK starrer Don has added some twists, turns and characters to make more money (after buying the rights to remake from the original producers, mind you), same is the case for TDK, isn't it?

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

Look at the upcoming Bollywood movies, many of them are the remakes from the past eg: angoor, satte pe satta, golmaal(1979), agneepath,etc. Salman has found a new career in remaking south indian movies. Also look at the sequels, don 2, murder 2/3, raaz 3, race 2, dhoom 3, dabangg 2, dostana 2,etc. That's why I have said that.

same is the case for TDK, isn't it?

They have actual stories for the sequel.Look at all the comic books that come every week. Don (old one) doesn't. Otherwise original makers of Don would have made a sequel in all these years... And Farhan Akhtar didn't plan to make a sequel when he remade Don. His copyright expired in 2009, he would have renewed that a long time ago.

I stopped fighting my inner demons... We are on the same side now!!!

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

Old Golmaal and new Golmaal are not the same, their stories and plot are entirely different. We don't know what will be the story of Agneepath, all we know is that it will be a revenge flick. Also making a sequel doesn't equate to having no or less ideas, it is just a tribute to these movies which have been successful and appreciated by the people. There are more sequels getting made, but that doesn't mean that only sequels are getting made. Also, TDK was a sequel to 'Batman Begins' only.

[–] horizon-transcended 12 years ago

No, buddy I wasn't talking about new Golmaal. Old Golmaal is being remade as 'Bol Bachchan' starring Abhishek Bachchan. The story of Agneepath will be the same as the old one, villain murders hero's father and hero takes revenge when he grows up.

Also making a sequel doesn't equate to having no or less ideas, it is just a tribute to these movies which have been successful and appreciated by the people.

Yes, but making sequel of a movie which was meant to be a single film is a terrible idea. eg: golmaal, dhoom, murder, raaz etc.
TDK was meant to be a sequel, Nolan scripted the story of BB in that way. Remember ending scene? Also sequel of superhero movies is justified as there are a lot of comic books which can be made into movies, while sequels of movies like Hangover, not!!!

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[–] ven_042000 12 years ago

What are you talking? You should care about whether a film's story was based upon comic or novel and most importantly, whether they got copyright or not. Nolan's treatment in TDK was fabulous, the whole world critics have applauded. Here, in India, many film makers steals or copies from other foreign movies and claim it as their own. Is this fair?

If you write a story and you spend three years to complete that, but within a minute, i steal your original source and make it as a movie and if i call it as my own story, would you agree with that? this is main problem with Indian cinema. First, you understand this and then reply to my comment.

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

<<You should care about whether a film's story was based upon comic or novel and most importantly, whether they got copyright or not. >>
Why should i care about this? There are copyright laws already in place to take care of this.

<<Nolan's treatment in TDK was fabulous, the whole world critics have applauded>>
Agree to this, this was never the point of contention. Read the whole thread, before uttering anything here.

<< Here, in India, many film makers steals or copies from other foreign movies and claim it as their own. Is this fair? >>
I don't see any issue with this, its not my headache to look into these things. If i am paying money to watch a movie in a theater, it better be entertaining, whether its copied or inspired, I Don't Care!! I don't understand why do you care either, as if you are getting looted.

<<If you write a story and you spend three years to complete that, but within a minute, i steal your original source and make it as a movie and if i call it as my own story, would you agree with that?>>
If i have created something, i need to get a copyright on the same, to prevent the theft of the content. If i have taken the copyright, then no one can steal it, and if someone does, he is punishable by law, whether its monetory punishment or even jail in some cases. From your comments, you don't come across as someone who is educated enough to talk about originality, innovation, invention, etc.
To really answer your question, i won't even care about it. If i have taken all the rights from US patent office and New Dehli patent office, then if i found someone using my content, i can simply file a lawsuit on it, then the stealer will have to worry about convincing court of law.

<<this is main problem with Indian cinema>>
This is the case with cinema worldwide, not just Indian Cinema. But, i don't think it is a problem. Most directors who are inspired by cinema (western or indian) growing up, will conciously or subconciously take decision which will be influenced by what they have seen growing up. Hell, even Mani Ratnam and AR Rehamn have been admittedly inspired by movies they had seen in film festivels. When the best and most knowledgable people in the industry does this, who are you and me to make a judgement.

I would say, just relax and enjoy what is left of good old original bollwood, as it is changing big time these days.

[–] ven_042000 12 years ago

<<I don't see any issue with this, its not my headache to look into these things. If i am paying money to watch a movie in a theater, it better be entertaining, whether its copied or inspired, I Don't Care!! I don't understand why do you care either, as if you are getting looted.>>

So, you encourage thieves to steal others' properties. Good, you are true citizen of India.

<<If i have created something, i need to get a copyright on the same, to prevent the theft of the content. If i have taken the copyright, then no one can steal it, and if someone does, he is punishable by law, whether its monetory punishment or even jail in some cases.>>

So, if someone copies your story, you punish them but if someone copy from others, you don't care about and that's not your headache. WTF???? I really don't understand your logical application over here?

<<From your comments, you don't come across as someone who is educated enough to talk about originality, innovation, invention, etc.>>

Again, you misunderstood many things. Nobody talk about originality, innovation and invention but only honesty. Even if you take one sample of music from other movies, Hollywood give credit. But here in India, if you copy whole music or movie, nobody does give credit rather they claim it as their own. That's what unacceptable.

<<To really answer your question, i won't even care about it. If i have taken all the rights from US patent office and New Dehli patent office, then if i found someone using my content, i can simply file a lawsuit on it, then the stealer will have to worry about convincing court of law.>>

Maybe, in US, it works but not in Incredible India, because law here is already DEAD.

<<This is the case with cinema worldwide, not just Indian Cinema.>>

No. Again, you are wrong. In world cinema, as i said in above statement, they do get legal rights even if it is small stuff they borrow. But here its not like that.

You can very well support your nation but not blind support, that will not do any justice and good to nation itself. You better understand this simple fact.

<<I would say, just relax and enjoy what is left of good old original bollwood, as it is changing big time these days.>>

Really???????

[–] gurvinder1801372 12 years ago

<<So, you encourage thieves to steal others' properties. Good, you are true citizen of India. >>
Yes, i trust the laws and our judicial system. And there is nothing more you and me can do about it.

<<So, if someone copies your story, you punish them but if someone copy from others, you don't care about and that's not your headache. WTF???? I really don't understand your logical application over here? >>
read my words carefully and slowly. I said that 'i can file a lawsuit against the theif and then he has to worry about convincing the law of court'. I guess you need to follow the story of Apple suing Samsung over the design of their latest tab. Take my advice, there are laws and court whose job to look into these issues, so don't worry about it.

<<Maybe, in US, it works but not in Incredible India, because law here is already DEAD.>>
Not really, have you tried taking a patent in india and then filling lawsuit if someone has copied? As i have mentioned above, just follow the story of how apple has taken samsung into task of copying their idea. As far as india is concerned, Don (old one) is a very good example of production house taking total rights over something which farhan had to buy before doing a remake.

Not only movies, you can take patent on any original art, even dance movies. I think you are worrying too much.

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[–] ven_042000 12 years ago

<<Indian people are like sheep who follow the opinion of foreign critics. I am truly disgusted.>>

Yes, i am also truly disgusted with Ugly Indian cinema. Indian audience don't have any brain at all.

Ra.One is definitely for unintelligent Indian audience.

Yes, I am truly disgusted with unintelligent Indian cinema audience. SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.............