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A WTF film. (WITH SPOILERS).


My final post varies from my original one, but my sentiments are the same . . .

*SPOILERS AHEAD*

But, alas, this isn't one of those films. There isn't really any meaning to it. We know war sucks. We know both sides usually have complexities to their cause. We are talking about the Taliban here, some of the lowest scum on earth -- people who kill women, blow up children's schools, and kill someone for missing prayer. The are among the least empathetic people you can find.

I am not exactly pro-war, but whoever wrote this movie (and I am not going to bother looking that up) couldn't have picked a worse "hero" for the film. I have developed zero feeling for this man, other than disgust, and i was rooting for his death through the whole movie. Personally, that isn't why I watch movies. I like to find meaning, or sympathy, or humanity, or explosions, or depth, or SOMETHING!

If this was the purpose of the film, then mission accomplished!

EDIT: I fast forwarded though it, and I saw the Taliban piece of garbage killed a logger, for crying out loud. And that was after they showed some baloney sentimental B.S. scene with a woman and her baby?! Like we are supposed to say, "Oh, see! He isn't so bad!"

He is a murderer. I am going to fast forward again (basically watching the movie in five minutes), and I am hoping he meets a terrible end.

EDIT, part 2: Thank goodness he didn't murder that fisherman. I figured he was going to run up and stick him with a knife. This is like watching a film where we follow a mass murderer running loose!

EDIT, part 3: And now we see the "Taliban" in him coming out. A woman, fallen off her bike, in the snow, breastfeeding a baby. What does he do? Run up and stuck a P-9 in her face. Not surprising at all. I have it paused, so I have to wonder if he shoots her. I think it's about 50/50 he does.

Edit, part 4: Oh lord, NOW I don't know what to think of this movie. Maybe I had it all wrong -- maybe this guy is really the villain of the movie, and I completely misunderstood what the director/writer intended!

Fer Christ's sake. Poor woman. Someone shoot that animal, please.

EDIT, part 5: Why would that woman help him?! There is no reason for her to have sympathy. The guy is a murderer, near rapist on the loose. Why?! And she gave him a horse? Those animals aren't cheap -- they don't fall off horsey trees. All she had to do was say, "Hey! Escaped Islamist in here!" and she would have been fine.

EDIT, part 6: And that's that. It is what it is -- a post-post-modernist film devoid of message. Man kills, man escapes, man dies. Yippee. Glad I watched it in a half-hour instead at normal speed!

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Are you on drugs?

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Indeed, for some reason that post hurt my brain a little... just sayin' ... 





Right. Well, I have to-- I have to go now, Duane, because I, I'm due back on the planet Earth.

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Couldn't agree more. At one point, I actually hoped he will eat that logger, that would make this film completely ridiculous.

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It may be pointless to point out nuance to someone that only fast forwarded through the movie while apparently writing a running commentary based on that much... Yes, the Taliban are vile. Where is it ever made clear that he is, in fact, a Taliban? The closest indication was showing some mosque flashbacks but that hardly made it definitive. A couple details worth noting; when we first see him he is unarmed and it's worth noticing that he is NOT wearing black which the Talibs generally do. Yes, he killed the Americans at the beginning and that clearly makes him no angel - and it seemed pretty clear he was cornered and it was kill or be killed as he could not have expected them to ask questions first. To use a similar controversial example; in WWII, think of the regular conscript German Wehrmacht tank crew members that were shot by American soldiers after being captured in the mistaken belief that they were SS or Gestapo because some of their uniforms also happened to be black. I doubt he could have expected better in the situation.

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You are correct -- we don't know if he is Taliban. But all Taliban do not wear black, either. I *do* know that he killed several people, including US military personnel and a civilian, and assaulted a woman on a road.

If this was an army special forces operative behaving in this manner, I suspect some of the folks who enjoyed this movie would be up in arms.

And that is the entire point -- I really had zero sympathy for the main character. All I saw was a killer on the lose, and I was rooting for the security forces to recapture or dispatch him. Was that the intent of the filmmakers? I have no idea.

This is the sort of movie, quiet, contemplative, nuanced, I should have enjoyed. But some of those scenes just killed it for me, which is why, perhaps twenty minutes into it, I decided to merely fast forward and not bother watching the entire darn thing at regular speed.

The movie, quality wise, was well made (besides the fact that the director tried to make US forces into total buffoons, which was a bit silly). The content of it . . . not so much to my taste. It is like a gourmet meal made of unappetizing stuff. :-)

But thanks for the comments; I understand your angle.

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a post-post-modernist film devoid of message
Except for the message of how the victim becomes the victimizer and the victimizer becomes the victim, and the message is the struggle for survival, and victims, real victims, are victims confronted with a massive global power (Nature, Military) they cannot overcome or defeat, and the victims are reduced to acting like animals, doing anything they need to do to survive in an indifferent and unpredictable and lawless environment.

He didn't rape her or try to rape her. He drank her breast milk to avoid starving to death. It was done through force because breasts are no longer filled with the milk of human kindness.

The film meticulous and unwavering objectiveness and neutrality (emphasized by the lack of background information) refuses to provide viewers with univocal meanings and answers. Instead, the film invites viewers to search for and discover meanings from within their own reality(s).

I saw a man in a cave, a man who looked perfectly natural in the cave, as if it was his home, defending his country from people who had no right to be in his cave or country. I saw a man acting in desperation to uproot the invaders from his country in order to protect a vanishing way of life he cherished, memories of which came to him later in his wanderings. He blew up soldiers in self-preservation, and the military subjected him to [implied off screen] torture in retaliation. Nature interrupted and a convoy tumbled over when the driver veered to avoid killing animals in the road. The protagonist, victim of a military invasion turned victimizer of soldiers turned victim of imprisonment, escaped, and was forced to not only shed his skin, but shed his very existence, as he crossed into another country, still a victim but now also an invader on foreign soil and also once-again a victimizer in his struggle for survival.

Victim and victimizer, we're both at the same time, it's inescapable, and there are victims being being reduced to animals in the quest for survival because of other victims with all the power who really aren't victims but play the part to protect their power. It's essential to kill any person who resists our military presence because we're fighting a war to end all wars, a war to preserve humanity, and this essential killing is forcing people to kill right back in order to survive, people are being reduced to animals to survive, and because they've been reduced them to animals to survive, people say, see, it's justifiable to kill them because they're animals.

Emmanuelle Seigner appears in the last segment of the film (woman who drags Mohammed into her kitchen), and her husband, Polanski, is the master of the victim-victimization plot construct. Essential Killing is also filled with Polanski's own directorial trademarks, it's hard to believe he did not direct it.

Essential Killing is brilliant because it opens the door to objective critical discourse about the human condition, and the effect wars (among other things) are having on the human condition.

One of the best films of 2010, and Vincent Gallo delivered one of the best male performances of 2010. Purely animalistic and raw. 10/10

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"Again, we have NO IDEA if this guy is from Afghanistan. He could be from Pakistan, for that matter, or any number of Islamic countries from where he could have volunteered."

Skolimowski himself has said that he deliberately made it non-specific if the opening was meant to be Afghanistan, Pakistan, Northern Iraq or elsewhere.
You are correct on that but are jumping to the conclusion that he volunteered. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. We don't know. We don't know that he was a militant at all.

"Here is what we know: In the beginning of the movie, the guy killed three men. It wasn't as if these men were torturing someone -- they were getting high on some opium. So what does he do? He lurks in a cave and kill them with an RPG."

But he only did so after they decided to investigate the cave and he had nowhere further to run.

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Skolimowski himself has said that he deliberately made it non-specific if the opening was meant to be Afghanistan, Pakistan, Northern Iraq or elsewhere.
You are correct on that but are jumping to the conclusion that he volunteered. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. We don't know. We don't know that he was a militant at all.


Right. I think the character was really just a thumbnail sketch more so than anything else. We know what he did -- the RPG scene -- we know he was from some Middle Eastern or Asian country. We know that he probably had a wife and child . . . maybe. Wasn't there a scene where he was in a room with a flashlight, just for a momentary flashback, with the women lying in bed? Could she also have been another person's wife, or did I miss something?

Otherwise, the audience instills what they believe into the character, like an empty vessel, or a white board.

But he only did so after they decided to investigate the cave and he had nowhere further to run.


He probably didn't have to do that. He could have kept scurrying, retreating further down the canyon. It was weird circumstances, though, because they guys were just walking along, obviously going place, but not really ready for a firefight, and this guy is lurking around with a dead guy nearby.

All signs point to not-so-innocent intentions.

Now, of course, all insurgents aren't evil Talib, and people do join to fight for many reasons. Maybe I missed a scene or something, but was there any suggestion about the women and child being killed or anything? Usually, with these sort of scenarios, there's something in a character's past, usually in reference to "unintended consequences," that causes any radicalization in their behavior.

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You're right about the whiteboard aspect. This can seem cheap and hollow or provocative and profound depending on who the viewer is. Or simply frustrating. The movie does seem to have ambiguity at it's core.

On the flashbacks, I don't recall anything to suggest they had been killed though I might have missed some detail. I read it more as memories of home and what was motivating him to try to stay alive.

"He probably didn't have to do that. He could have kept scurrying, retreating further down the canyon."

Remember there was the helicopter(s) overhead so there was a certain logic to hiding as he did. Once he did, his options were *very* limited. It was an odd construct that there happened to be a body with a convenient weapon in that cave. As was mentioned before, he didn't have any weapon of his own when it starts out - in a part of the world where even goat-shepherds might carry an AK47.

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Very well written, Temporary. I totally agree with your view. Others on this thread have said how much they hate the main character. Because he is Taliban and has just killed three Americans! Well, you have to look at it from his perspective. If he is Taliban, that is probably the only thing he knows, so of course he's going to be Taliban.

He kills three Americans? Well, they are in HIS country. He's not in THEIRS. They are pointing rifles at him and he is cornered. When he's in Belarus, he's not killing everyone---only those he needs to, to survive. He doesn't touch the fisherman when he steals the fish.

The movie doesn't give you the meaning, but leaves it up to the viewer.

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I kinda agree with your point of view too. We actually do not know anything about the background of the man. I don't know what made OP conclude he was part of Taliban.

When the movie started, he was unarmed and he was clearly scared of US soldiers who have invaded his motherland. Can you blame him? To me he was just a POW and as all know being a POW doesn't automatically make you a terrorist or a criminal. I saw him as an individual who did what he had to do to survive.

I gave this movie a 5/10. I didn't particularly like it but not because a supposed fugitive was our hero here, but because I found the movie to be lacking in direction, pace and aim. It was more like a bland documentary without a narrative if you know what I mean. I was also bewildered as to why he killed the logger as he wasn't any threat to him but throughout the movie he acted like a cornered cat who considered everyone a threat, so that might explain his actions.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklin

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The original poster does make one good point (at least): the Afghan man didn't have to murder the logger. But that's exactly what he tried to do as soon as he was freed from the log: he jumped and tried to choke the logger. When that didn't succeed, he used the chainsaw.

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this movie is just too much for your brain to handle

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All i can say is well done your description is bang on.
to be honest i wish i had done the same because this film was devoid of anything i would find important like oh i dont know a plot? he basically spent the film walking around killing everything he met. he,s level of intelligence was questionable when he attacks the woman on the bike who has a bag that might contain food but instead he attacks her for breast milk??? i found myself wanting him dead at every given point firstly because he was scum and secondly because at least the film would then end. the ending i have to say looked promising as he looked like he might be really suffering but was cut short. all in all a complete waste of time with no point except to try to be arty. people that read deep meaning into this and say its amazing are very strange people indeed. it has nothing dont waste a minute of your time. oh and the music sucked alot

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