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My Take on the Timeline


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Many are criticising this film for the speed in which John moves from being a bookish, quiet lad to a knife-weilding maniac. For me there are some key moments which people are overlooking...the seeds are sewn early.

1. His aunt tells him the Americans love the Scots because the speak their minds. He clearly has a massive respect for his aunt because she has made it out of Glasgow and sees taking no *beep* as the way to do it. Always aim to be top.

2. One key point of the film is when Brown (forget his nickname, although it began with a K or C!) threatens him on his last day of primary school. This puts a deep fear in him that troubles him all through the summer until he acts on it and gets his brother to sort him out. Although shocked by it initially he's really excited by the power he wields simply by association and begins to see himself as untouchable.

3. This association leads to the headmaster in High School not trusting him. Already John shows signs of superiority and he works hard to get himself to the top and is willing to take punishment to do so - even though the teacher lets him off.

4. Another key point of the film is when the knife comes scurtling under the toilet door. To use a crass comparison, this is like his He-man sword - it quite literally turns him.

Then, once he's turned bampot...

5. The desperate need for bail money - this is partly driven by John's need to have his brother there to maintain his reputation but also by the way their relationship has grown now they are gang members together.

6. The Jesus moment - well, that's glue sniffing for you.

7. When he ends up in the remedial class with his brain-damaged victim and when his Dad asks him to finish him - I think this is where he finally develops a death wish and when he ventures with two knives into the enemy gang's turf you really wish they would finish him off. When he doesn't die and has to come back and do his father's bidding he can't.

8. Leading Brown through the lion enclosure. A rather weak ending but I guess we're supposed to assume he's putting both of them out of their own misery caused by that first meeting on John's last day of primary school.

It was a deeply depressing film.

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***CONTAINS SPOILERS****

The more reviews I read online the more I think people are watching a leaked torrent which has many key scenes missing from the Cinematic release. I've seen a review on here claiming to have "hit the off button" which arouses my suspicion that this might be the case further(!) ...I went to to the cinema to see it, but I desperately wanted to see it again so I watched a torrent which was almost 30 minutes shorter than the cinema release... IMHO these missing scenes make the transition from "bookish" to "bampot" easier to accept

The scene in which John brings the football boots to his new friend only to be turned away by the mother and told not to come back. John is obviously very lonely because he is so different. When he finally finds a friend and feels accepted it's only to be rejected again because of his background without being given a chance which would probably give him a "What's the point" attitude, everyone else has assumed he's going to turn out like his brother so why fight it, why not just let it happen?

On the way home when he is stopped at threatened by the younger members of the YCD Gang, as soon as they find out who his brother is they offer him respect and friendship which he has never been really been offered by his parents or his teachers. It's hardly a stretch to assume he spent the whole summer hanging out with them before returning to school and that would explain his attitude change.

It's a shame the ending was such a mess, but the impression I got was that he was 'changed' because he was he was able to take the lad he hated by the hand and lead him through the lions, which to my mind is a fairly obvious metaphor (?) For walking through danger and coming out the other side. I thought it was a pretty optimistic ending really...

It was the whole bit with the knives and his dad I couldn't get my head round. ...at least the Jesus bit could be explained by him being off his face :D

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The knife bit is him wanting to end it all I reckon. But his gigantic sense of pride forbids him from taking his own life (pride runs through the film, see how hard he works when he's not in the top class to get to there?) so he tries to orchestrate a situation where he'll be remembered by the local boys as a hero who tried to topple their rival gang single-handedly.

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I took John's father's request to kill him stemming from his alcoholism.

In the scenes following John pummeling him he is sober, the final wake up call he needed to stop drinking. He is however so dependent on alcohol that he can't face life without it - but neither can he face going back to the "living death" of being a drunk. He decides to take advantage of John's new sadism/masochism to orchestrate a suicide which will occur in his sleep.

My only gripe with this is how the mutilated body of his father was explained to the authorities, they glossed over that.

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*SPOILERS*

He didn't kill his father, he couldn't do it. He went to and couldn't go through with it, instead he collapsed on him in an emotional state. His father remained asleep and snored throughout because he was in a drunken slumber.

I thought the film had completely lost it's way with the 'finish me' subplot, however, he definitely didn't kill him.

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Yes, that came out of nowhere really, and wasn't done very well.

I liked the ending. The two left in the van - the delinquent and the disabled - are definitely left there on purpose. John even says something like "they're going to leave us here"... which I think is a metaphor for society not addressing the problems in inner-cities (sorry to put it so cliche, but the film was full of them).

I liked the lion scene though, definitely feel it was meant to be positive, that it is a difficult road but it's possible to make it through the danger/hard work to not be "left behind".

Decent film. Wish I hadn't seen the screener with those scenes missing.

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I thought it took ages for John to turn into a thug

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