It's a complete waste of time to attempt to have a rational....

Yep, Just what I thought...COWARDS!!!!

Thanks for the good laugh. The Democrats do that as well. Glad I am a moderate (aka fence sitter).

Alright let me try looking at your points.

1)I don't think it was just Republicans saying that. Heard he was born in X country by Democrats too. So it can be attributed to haters.

2)He does possess a background in that from associations. I can assume you wouldn't hang out with a murderer, rapist, drug dealer, etc. Because people would assume you may have something shady going on.

3)Never once heard it put like that. He did a decent job distancing himself from the "bad" elements. Things like that have been said about a lot of leaders throughout time. Conspiracy nuts everywhere, not party exclusive.

4)I highly doubt Obama had anything more to do with the get Osama thing then just saying "Do It". That takes credit away from the people in the military who actually know how to do things like that. Same way I cannot give Bush credit for the information. Sure it got found out from his policies. Maybe tack that one up as a joint credit.

The financial collapse, well yeah. We had money out there that didn't exist. Both parties wanted everyone to have the "American Dream". Problem was lending to people who shouldn't have been lent to. There were moments when both parties were leaned on by special interest groups to make sure this happened. Then again I am sure that both Republicans and Democrats were at that meeting. Neither side seemed to care at the time.

You really should have listed this as two points.

5)Welcome to the world of economic analysts. They look at how much debt we have and try to figure out how much increase in taxes it will take to take care of it over X years. What gets people is the Redistribution of Wealth, and that is what I think you are confusing here. Because we need to break past interest and hit principal. And really no matter what it is going to have to be tackled in some way.

Miscellaneous Points you made in you end ranting)

I know the Birth Certificate was a concern, because its supposed to be publicly released and he didn't do it. Honestly I didn't care. I watch all three of the major news networks, and I never saw the claims as exaggerated as you make them out to be.

Yup racism comments come from both sides. If a Republican/conservative doesn't like Obama some throw that. I got called racist for not liking his choice of Biden as VP during the election.

Other Points)

For the Bill Ayers & Rev. Wright, Well first of all Ayers isn't a good person. And how can I expect to believe that Obama has the best interest of this nation when Ayers hated America (parts of it at least), and going to church where Rev. Wright mentioned how bad it is. I am sorry but I want my President to be patriotic. I do have family members in the military. And I do know that under Republicans they are treated better. Not saying that the Democrats don't do their part, its just better for them.

I do want Obama to succeed. God knows we need some kind of miracle. I just think he needs to take a page out of Clinton's book on compromising. Hell both sides do. Lets face it, neither on is that great alone.

And I believe that you too are impossible to talk to about this stuff. Because just look at what you posted. And you know, I have never seen a conservative/republican even make half those claims. Seems the problem is both sides have forgotten how to actually look at where the other is coming from and understanding it. Things have devolved down to your opinion is not the same as mine you must be evil and uneducated. You can tell the Ad Hominem attack from opinion involving political standing.

1.) The Hillary Clinton campaign started the birth certificate mess.

2.)Clinton started and Bush continued the mortgage problems. All people cannot own a home. Some have to rent. Some need roommates/borders to have a home. It is well documented that Bush did tell Dodd, Frank, and Waters to fix Fannie and Freddie. They said it was fine and they wanted to take over more.

3.) Obama's definition of middle class is a sign of socialism. Middle class is the doctor that the working class go to. Obama wants everyone to think they are middle class.

4.) Credit Newt for what you credit Clinton for. he forced Clinton to the center.

5.) Democrats want more people dependent on government programs so they keep voting for them. That is the reason behind the "dream act" and "comprehensive immigration reform." I personally favor quotas. We are low on Asians. At least they know that you are supposed to be ashamed of yourself if you are on a social program.

6.) Means tested welfare programs dwarf the amounts spent on the wars and the supposed loss on the Bush tax cuts. See #5. We eliminated the stigma of illegitimate children, being on welfare, etc. How well has that worked out?

So you didn't watch the movie, you just want to show how deranged leftists with these strawman arguments.

LMFAO. You know *beep* about what Conservatives think. What I think is that Obama may even surpass Jimmy Carter as the consensus worst President in history.

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