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We Had It Right For 125 Years


The War for Independence was a war against a big, centralized government. A government that placed restrictions on your education, your profession, where you could live, permission to open a business, which religion you must practice. Living under a malevolent government believing in its practice to be benevolent became intolerable for many Americans.

We argue today over the same exact issues we fought for/against in the late eighteenth century.

There are people who believe that education, health care, owning a home, and having a job are rights. They are not. They are priviledges that freedom and liberty offer its citizens.

If we allow government to provide us these, we will have a government big enough to take them away.

For 125 years our government was fueled by less than 5% of GDP, and our free market capitalism changed the western world. We did not invent all of the modern luxuries, but we fostered an economic environment where people from all over the world could come to America and create their inventions, and thus raise the standard of living for millions of people around the world.

It is at the beginning of the 20th century that our government began to leave behind the principles of the Constitution, when our elected representatives began to deviate from a tested and true formula for success. Whatever issues or problems America has the private sector can correct it and heal it. We proved it for 125 years.

In the past 100 years we have followed a Progressive/socialist plan which has corrupted many of our elected representatives, and bankrupted every level of government.

If we remove government from our education, healthcare, homes, jobs, and religion and allow people to work out their issues on their own, we will be returning to a formula that once worked for 125 years, right here in the good old USA.

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"A government that placed restrictions on your education, your profession, where you could live, permission to open a business, which religion you must practice. We argue today over the same exact issues we fought for/against in the late eighteenth century. "

How exactly is this happening now?

"There are people who believe that education, health care, owning a home, and having a job are rights. They are not. They are priviledges that freedom and liberty offer its citizens."

True to a point, but why should an educated populace be something you wouldn't promote? Wouldn't a more educated population help the economy? Less education means more crime, poverty and tax funded jails. It costs 45,000 a year to house an inmate, many for decades. Seems smarter and cheaper to help provide an education early on.

"Whatever issues or problems America has the private sector can correct it and heal it. We proved it for 125 years."

Again true to a point, but the private sector has to operate responsibly. The private sector is responsible for unaffordable housing which then lost half its value, loans to people who can't afford them, stock market manipulation, spiraling healthcare costs, etc. The private sector used basically slave labor for years to meet its ends, especially during the period you describe.

"If we remove government from our education, healthcare, homes, jobs, and religion and allow people to work out their issues on their own, we will be returning to a formula that once worked for 125 years, right here in the good old USA."

I'm afraid "working out the issues on their own" means starvation, poverty and death for a lot of people, as it did a hundred plus years ago. Libertarian politics sound good on paper to some people but don't really translate to reality. How do you pay for education without taxes? Homes are less affordable without government incentives. Many of these things came about because Every Man for Himself wasn't working.


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thats the fantasy of America you have in your head. Wake up and find out what the actual reality is.

In the early founding till the emancipation proclamation our economy was fueled by slave labor, not free market. America would have taken decades longer to develop if not for the slaves.

Whatever issues or problems America has the private sector can correct it and heal it. We proved it for 125 years.
And roughly one hundred of those years came with free agricultural labor in the south.

In the past 100 years we have followed a Progressive/socialist plan which has corrupted many of our elected representatives, and bankrupted every level of government.
rofl. The government was far more corrupt one hundred years ago than 50 years ago.

progressive/social plan
womens right to vote, ending segregation, equal rights for african americans, lifting millions out of poverty, labor laws protecting explotation of children, if you get injured on the job you get workers comp whereas before if you got injured on the job you got fired, 40 work week, vacation, overtime pay, sick days, and much more, the FDA making sure that saw dust doesnt make its way into your meat, making sure the meat you eat is safe for consumption. All of that in the past hundred years and all of that so many people take for granted. Is that the stuff you are talking about that has bankrupted our government? Read Sinclair's "The Jungle", take an AP/college American History class. Trust me it will break down the barrier of disillusionment that you have

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I recommend you conservatives with your fantasy illusion of America 100 years ago watch A CORNER IN WHEAT (tt0000832). Then you can rant about how D.W. Griffith, the director of BIRTH OF A NATION, was a liberal in 1909.

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"our economy was fueled by slave labor, not free market"
Except the South which used slavery was less economically powerful than the North. That's why the North won the Civil war.

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Summed it up perfectly, erikwm!

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The only thing your nation proved for 125 years was that it's possible to get wealthy with exploiting salves and stealing the resources of other nations.

Congratulations to that but in all honesty the Romans proved that around 2000 years before you did and the Egyptians even earlier.

There is a fundamental truth that so many westerners close their eyes from that your wealth isn't build on your hard work or ingenuity but on the fact that your companies and governments exploit the workers and resources of foreign nations.

The next time you read "made in Taiwan/China/India/etc." you may remember that your wealth is build on the poverty of others who were just so unfortunate not to be born in the west.

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The War for Independence was a war against a big, centralized government?
I think you spelled slavery wrong.

Your free market capitalism is what got you in the current economic trash heap you're still in today.
Stop believing in the free market fairy. It doesn't exist.

There's a reason almost the entire western world does better in almost every aspect possible. It's because they have less people like you.

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