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How did this not get a Best Cinematography nomination at the Oscars?


*beep* madness. This film is gorgeous.

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I know, the cinematography and visuals are some of the best and most mesmerizing images I've seen in cinema

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PTA made a Masterpiece once again. This gets better with every viewing... And even if it isn't everyones cup of tea, it's certainly one of the most beautiful films EVER. Yes, I used the word EVER lol. It's astonishing. The moment we see the Blue Water and Freddie helmet shortly after, I was sold on the World I was about to become immersed into...

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Totally agree! Watching it in theaters in full 70 mm was mind-blowing. One of the best shot films Ive ever seen

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Not enough CGI tigers floating around, to borrow a joke I heard Sarah Silverman make about why "Skyfall" lost the Cinematography award to "Life of Pi".

In actuality, the work in "The Master" was probably too subtle for the Academy. In the last few years, they've demonstrated a preference for flashy/HD/3D cinematography instead of going for "The best of the best" (the best recent example I can think of is "The Tree of Life" losing to "Hugo"). A lot of what "The Master" does is genuinely astounding but its presentation is incredibly minimalist and seems to pay off for patient audiences. It's part of why, from what I've seen so far, I'll be disappointed, yet unsurprised if they manage to screw "The Hateful Eight" out of a Cinematography nomination.

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Then I guess it was also too "subtle" for the American Society of Cinematographers (the professional group comprised of the greatest, most experienced cinematographers around), who didn't even give it a nomination for their own awards that year.

https://www.theasc.com/asc_news/awards/awards_history.php

Yes, the film looks nice in places and the photography is admirable. But guess what? ANY film shot in 65MM or 70MM looks great. People praised the cinematography for 1996's 'Hamlet' for just that same reason. How many of you actually saw THAT film in a high-end theater when it was first released? (crickets...)

For those of you spouting typical hyperbolic statements (a common trait among PTA fanboys) liking this film to the best looking work of all time (?!?), I would have to conclude that you haven't seen that many films shot and projected in 70MM. Are you honestly going to tell me that 'The Master' has better cinematography than either 70MM prints of 'Apocalypse Now' or 'Lawrence of Arabia' for starters? (Comparing a 70MM theater screening of 'The Master' to your home video viewing of 'Apocalypse' or 'Lawrence' on your miscalibrated 50" TV doesn't count.)

As good as it is, the cinematography in 'The Master' can't compare to scores upon scores (or even hundreds) of other films that had far more impressive cinematography when viewed in a setting the way it was originally intended. (Has anyone actually seen Ridley Scott's 'The Duelists' in a theater with a pristine print? Kubrick's 'Barry Lyndon'? '2001' in 70MM? What about true technicolor prints of titles such as 'The Red Shoes' or 'All That Heaven Allows'? ) But the young, immature and inexperienced PTA fanboys probably never saw 70MM before 'The Master', so they end up comparing it to the films they see on TV and then spout off the nonsense like what they have said in this thread.

Comparing the cinematography of 'The Master' to 'Heaven's Gate'? Are you kidding me??

'The Master' better than what is seen in Terrance Malick's work? Better than Gordon Willis's work? Conrad Hall? Jordan Cronenweth? Frank Tidy? John Alcott? Vilmos Zsigmond? Ron Fricke?? And that's even if you only consider "nice looking" to be the most important aspect of cinematography (as opposed to shaping an image to best fit the story, which may or may not call for "pretty" images - a fact that prevents PTA fandorks from appreciating an astounding craftsman like Owen Roizman).

Like I said, Mălaimare work in 'The Master' is quite admirable. But there were PLENTY of equally admirable works in terms of cinematography that year alone (let alone throughout the history of the medium). Those who received nominations that year produced works that were at least as good as 'The Master' with regards to cinematgraphy, if not better. As usual, you PTA fanboys go over-the-top in your praise, and thus end up insulting the great works of others while simultaneously bringing discredit to what would otherwise be considered perfectly admirable work from those craftsmen that a derivative, less-talented poser like Anderson likes to employ.

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They nominated Danny Cohen for "Les Misérables" and completely ignored Robert Richardson for "Django Unchained” in 2012. Please tell me exactly how almost three hours of unbearably cheap looking, handheld claustrophobic emotional torture porn constitutes as groundbreaking or awards deserving cinematography (at least “The Danish Girl” looks like Tom Hooper and Danny Cohen decided to put that shtick in the backseat and try for something different); even the Academy was smart enough not to fall for that crap twice in a row, especially after how they and a number of other awards bodies threw away a nomination on "The King's Speech” that could have gone to something more picturesque like “Shutter Island” or “127 Hours” or the first half of “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows” or a smaller film such as “Another Year” or “The Killer Inside Me”? And need I dredge back up that they considered “Nine” to have incredible cinematography (but at least they, unlike the Academy, didn’t throw the award away on “Avatar” and instead awarded “The White Ribbon”, so that’s one thing they have in their favor)? Just because a certain awards body recognizes a movie doesn't mean it genuinely is the best. I'd think the Academy's nominating "American Sniper", "Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close" and "Crash" among other films should be a testament to not putting complete faith in what the certain awards bodies think.

* I can’t testify for “Hamlet”’s cinematography as I never got to see it (being 10 years old at the time of its original release, my knowledge and appreciation of Shakespearean adaptations by Kenneth Branagh was undeveloped at the time. Kids, am I right?), but the image that’s been used to promote it of Hamlet standing in the grand hallway with the flower petals falling around him and what I’ve seen in the previews does look to be a great iconic image and a proper use of the format. That, I’ll wait and see if one of the Cinematheques screens soon.

That’s also kind of cute that you think I’m only defending “The Master”’s cinematography because you assume that’s the only 70mm film I could possibly have seen in my life and that I can’t possibly grasp what other films have accomplished on any celluloid related format, despite the fact that I have seen “Barry Lyndon” in a print several times (including the print the Academy struck two summers ago for their archives), “The Red Shoes”, a rare print of “Star Wars” owned by five people that was seen at the North Carolina School of the Arts a long time ago, “Suspiria”, Bram Stoker’s Dracula”, “To the Wonder”, “The Thing”, “3 Women”, “There Will Be Blood”, etc etc etc. I guess that’s the beauty of living in Los Angeles: a number of revival theaters at your disposal surrounded by studios that still house their 35mm prints and haven’t completely done away with them, although I still have yet to see “Lawrence of Arabia” on the big screen, in 70mm or in general; guess I’m just waiting for the right opportunity.

I also never said anything about “The Master” being one of the best movies of all time in terms of cinematography - that’s your condescension directed at theswimmer0 speaking - but I do hold it to the same level of cinematography that I’ve seen Emmanuel Lubezki do with Terrence Malick’s movies, Robert Richardson with Tarantino’s, even Manuel Claro Alberto with von Trier’s despite the fact that “Nymph()maniac” never received a 35mm release anywhere in the world (to my knowledge). As for the other directors and cinematographers you hold it up to, yes, I would say “The Master” can and will be held in the same regards as Gordon Willis’ iconic “Manhattan” shot or what he accomplished in the “Godfather” trilogy or Owen Roizman’s iconic “Exorcist” shot or even what he accomplished with “Tootsie”.

I can name a list of movies I’ve had the fortune of seeing on the big screen in 70mm both living in Los Angeles and when the Cineplex Odeon back in Houston, TX was still running before they did away with it:

“2001: A Space Odyssey”
“Apocalypse Now”
“Baraka”
“Doctor Zhivago”
“Edward Scissorhands”
“Fantasia”
“It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World”
“The Sound of Music”
“Total Recall”
“Vertigo”
“West Side Story”

and I can confidently say that “The Master” has set a precedence for what can be achieved in modern 70mm cinematography (I didn’t see “Interstellar” in 70mm, only in IMAX 15/70, so I can’t say how the 70mm only release compares to its DCP/35/IMAX counterparts), something that I hope “The Hateful Eight” next month will continue and possibly lead to a resurgence of 70mm operated theaters showing first run films.

I would also have to say you betray your argument by constantly chastising Paul Thomas Anderson and his fans (but I guess that's to be expected from someone who labels themselves as "pretentiousanderson") and saying they’re nothing more than “young, immature and inexperienced”, to use your words. Yes, some people may have only had a single 70mm experience watching “The Master”, but those people are also probably the ones who support film enough - not just Anderson, but film itself - to make sure that future generations are given the opportunity to experience a film on such a format and not be relegated to watching some DCP projection because, between the two, I’ll pay the extra money and watch “The Master” in 70mm for the rest of my life. You can have your dislike of him - Lord knows I get enough funny looks from people because I think Xavier Dolan is a pretentious hipster who only got ahead because people want to sleep with him and mistake his sophomoric first world dilemmas as high art - but seriously, don't insult someone's fanbase just to make your point. It makes you look petty.

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I'd just like to applaud your absolute DESTRUCTION of the Troll Pretentiousanderson, as he loves to come on these boards solely to rip apart PTA films. What I personally love about The Master is the universal critical acclaim it garnered from reviewers of all kinds. Young and Old. On Wikipedia, it has a list of rankings for films of its year and it's a consensus Top 5, with a slew of #1-#3 rankings. But yes, we are all just "Fanboys" lol. Bravo my good man. 2001 and The Master are 2 of the Greatest I've saw in 70mm. Interstellar was beautiful as well. I had the privilege of seeing it in 70mm in Boston. Hoyte Van Hoytemma was a great choice and really shined.

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Sometimes, you just have to tear a pretentious bitch like him down a few pegs.

* and "The Hateful Eight" joined the list in the time between the last post and now. Such an astounding 70mm experience.

"She's going to win on her first try." - The difference between Leonardo DiCaprio and Brie Larson

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Pretentiousanderson is Cancer. The amount of time/effort he spends on these boards is obscene. He seems to have quite the vendetta against Anderson too, sadly :/.

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Wow, this comment was utterly annihilated. How are you not going to respond? Oh yeah - you can't! There's nothing else you can say after getting a nice beat down like that. I know it's a year later, but I sincerely hope that you have recovered. Good luck and I wish you the best!

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