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Viet Nam all over again


Change the rocks and sand to jungle and rice patties and it's that fruitless occupation of 40 years ago..with one exception..This one has already lasted longer...I guess we'll never learn.

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/end rant? I do hope so. You've got so much of this wrong I don't know why you bothered.

GHWB "left Sadam (sic) alive" because there was no UN mandate to invade Iraq, and to have done so would have been illegal and would have lost Arab support and financing.

From where in Afghanistan do you imagine they are going to get cheap oil? Afghanistan is not an oil producer, which is why the Pentagon is paying over $400 a gallon for fuel to be shipped in.

"This war will end with a PR win in that we installed democracy and rid the taliban of power, then in a few years we'll go back in and finish them off and get osama."

Dream on. It is no business of NATO what the Taliban do/don't do. From where do you get the idea that NATO forces can invade a sovereign nation and start killing people? The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.

Democracy as we know it is something the Afghans couldn't give two wet farts about; all they want is for the West to stop murdering their wives and children. And I really don't know what persuades you that the Taliban are being beaten - the opposite is the truth and sooner rather than later we will have to accept it and get the hell out.

Oh, and bin Laden? He's a MacGuffin, matey. He's been dead for years. It suits America to pretend he's still alive because it keeps the sheeple scared.

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Yeah...except it isn't.

In Vietnam our military leadership was incompetent, our civilian population turned on the soldiers, and our government ran the war from Washington.

Today, Washington still makes *beep* ups every now and then (i.e. "let's fire McChrystal in the middle of a war"), but they did replace him with possibly one of the greatest generals this country has ever seen, General David Petraeus. The majority of our civilian population seems to support us, with the exception of the vocal Left which claims to "support the troops, by bringing them home", despite the fact that we willingly enlisted to do just what we're doing. Our leadership in-theatre is pretty good though, and we're adapting continuously to fight and win this war, not just rack up kills.

So, similar to Vietnam from a distance, but completely different when you get close.

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Hello? One thing you're forgetting. Vietnam didn't launch an attack that killed over 3000 U.S. Civilians you idiot! Hello? Anyone in your brain? So you think we should have just left the TALIBAN alone? What planet are you from?

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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Well let's take a look at some facts:

1)The mostly Saudi Arabians who attacked the Twin Towers were Al Quaida, not Taliban. The Taliban are extreme Muslim fundamentalists from Afghanistan..I'm sure equally as nasty but they weren't the ones...

2)Americans entered the fray in Vietnam to keep the communist North Vietnamese from invading the South and supposedly preventing the "domino effect" of a Communist takeover of Southeast Asia.

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beefus-1 wrote:
Well let's take a look at some facts:

1)The mostly Saudi Arabians who attacked the Twin Towers were Al Quaida, not Taliban. The Taliban are extreme Muslim fundamentalists from Afghanistan..I'm sure equally as nasty but they weren't the ones...


Uh, you're missing the biggest fact of all. Where did al Qaeda launch the attack from, Mister Genius?!?!?! The Taliban in Afghanistan was the safe haven/sanctuary/launching point of the deadliest attack on civilians on our soil in history. Wow! Your total lack of a fundamental grasp of the FACTS is astonishing. The Taliban helped LAUNCH the attack by having their country (when the evil Taliban ran Afghanistan) as the launching base for the attacks. If that's not an act of war, I suppose nothing is. You're living proof of "Stupid is as Stupid posts....."

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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Here is the answers in short:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE

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Terrorists are also harbored by Yemen,Pakistan,Iran,Saudi Arabia...Shall we invade them, too?...

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The biggest terrorist in ALL THE WORLD is the American government and the people pulling the strings behind them. So in this case please invade your self and I will support this invasion. ;)

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Oh Simpleton boy, Terrorists are like a cancer, they are everywhere, but where these countries staging grounds for a major attack? You really do know nothing about the world don't you?

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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@StoneGriffin: bush decided the 3000 civilians should die.. it was all planned, including the terrorists.

otherwise no lame excuse to invade afghanistan.

vietnam was the real thing, not this.

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Yep, Afghanistan is an oil riched country, that's why we have to fly in our oil to their country huh?

Dumb ass liberal don't even do research and using oil as an excuse for everything.

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There was a time in this country when people like you would be dragged from their houses and shot for treason. And stupidity.

www.pantheonoutcast.com

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Wow, and to believe that there are people walking and breathing (and breeding) who actually think like you do. You are the epitome of Lenin's term "Useful idiot", except you're the tool of the terrorists.

Dr. Kila Marr was right. Kill the Crystalline Entity.

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In general I think NATO should maintain military presence in Afghanistan in long term, but there are some downsides to that.
Talibans are extremely dangerous islamic extremists and are posing bigger danger to neighboring countries like Pakistan, because talibans are spreading all over the region and more and more people from the local population are joining them for a number of different reasons. Pakistani army are aided and supported by the West, but the fight is getting worse and they struggle unsuccessfully to keep them out of the big cities.
Plus, Afghanistan is, or was the world's biggest heroin producer, with prices starting from 3000 $ per kilo, and that same amount can be sold for 100 000 $ in the West. There are programs who try to encourage locals to start growing different cultures and destroy oppium fields where possible, but you can understand it's hard to break this milleniums old habit from the people.
Afghanistan has very large uninhabited (or poorly inhabited) areas and it's very hard for the locals to make a living, so the problem is very specific and needs a revolutionized solution.
The problem is that the growing military presence and fights in the region through the years, caused the talibans to gain more and more support from the other peoples in the region who are joining their cause against the western invaders.
The commander of US and NATO forces in the region said last summer that allies need a new strategy in Afghanistan, but Obama and his advisors sacked him from their offices in Washington...

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I think Pakistan's Taliban need to be dealt with before anything can really happen in Afghanistan.

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"2) The Vietnam war was fought by draftees. The war in Afghanistan is being
fought by volunteers, professional soldiers. "

Did you actually watch this documentary? These guys may have volunteered, but they sure as hell don't believe in it, or want to be there.

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The majority of men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. Look it up.

By the time Obama came to office, Bush had been in Afghanistan over 7 years. Big success.

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I was immediately struck by the similarity in geography. That opening shot of the soldiers being ferried in by chopper looks just like the scene in Apocalypse Now when Capt Willard is being choppered in. Green valley surrounded by towering mountains, only the mountains are denuded of veg.

I was pro afghan war before watching this but think we're screwed now. Bring our boys home now.

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Vietnam is one word. Brought to you by a citizen of the Uni Ted Sta Tes of Amer Ica.

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In that shorter time in Vietnam, we lost 50,000 men. In this longer time in both Iraq and Afghanistan we've lost around 5,000.

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1 000 000 > 5 000

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i'm disgusted, actually disgusted by fools who think they know so much and will regurgitate stupidities that they hear (withouth bothering to check out for themselves) for their entire lives

afghanistan is like vietnam....really? wow....i mean, BEFORE the war began the liberal pols spoke of this being another vietnam but even they themselves have stopped saying it because it has PROVEN to be not true.....

from the point of view of soldiers lost (which is really a silly and sad way to compare wars), the americans have lost 10% of vietnam

another difference is that many foreign armies have/are spending time in afghanistan/iraq...when everyone speaks of the war, of course they speak of it as an american war, because america is the big boy on the block...the power america wields dictates when, how and IF a war is gonna happen, true...but it is by no means just an american war...we're going to do what we always do...police the planet and take heat for doing it...


fyi, for every year of the vietnam war, there were more VOLUNTEERS than draftees...i guarantee i just made some children on this thread re-google the vietnam war



it is better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it

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just because the death rates are exponentially lower, it doesn't mean that casualties are so. theres merely fewer deaths because medical practice has improved that much. theres tons more that are alive that should be dead right now, but doesn't mean that they aren't maimed and disabled, which is probably worse.

although the north vietnamese have some redeeming qualities, the taliban are essentially nazis which contirbute even less to the world, and should be destroyed.

however, is it worth the price?

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