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Does Ed get any money for work done?


Seems like their profit at the end of the show from selling the car is a bit low compaired to the work Ed did on it. Am I missing something here when they only total up the cost of the car and the parts? What about Ed's labor? Some cars are only generating a couple hundred pounds profit. I don't think that's enough to pay anybody's bills unless they do a couple of cars a week.

Maybe it's just for the show and not an actual way to make a living. Sometimes they don't pay Ed enough to fix some of the junk Mike drives over to his shop!

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Yeah, that was really a problem in the first couple of seasons. Lately, they've been spending more and getting more profit with more classic cars, but it's still hardly enough to cover Edd's labor (much less his hair stylist's labor[!]). I suppose the real point of the show is demonstrating what it takes to fix things.

When you think about it, it's almost the same show as Chasing Classic Cars, except Wayne Carini pays a lot more for the cars and sells them for a lot more after his mechanic has fixed them up. But that show got really depressing, seeing Wayne be disappointed by auction after auction in the lousy economy.

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Seems like Chasing Classic Cars spends more time locating cars and selling them over showing how they are fixed up. With Wheeler Dealers, the show gets the locating part out of the way quickly and spends more time with Ed fixing the cars. Ed is easier to watch than Carini's cranky/crusty mechanic.

How does Ed's hair stay in place? It's a mess but somehow stays put.

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the guys get paid to be on TV, but this isn't meant to be an actual, sustainable business the way it's set up.

And I wish CCC did more of this than just Wayne finding a car, buying it low, taking it to an auction (after doing almost no work on it), and expecting a big profit.

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I love Wayne's mechanic he's got a ripe sense of humor, and seems to know everything about really old / obscure cars. Most of what he's telling are jokes actually rather than real gripes... it just sounds that way, intentionally.

Just wondering how much longer he can keep it up. He'll have to start delegating it to other mechanics if he hasn't already. Edd is clearly a very nice guy and a fine mechanic though.

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I think it's safe to assume that Ed doesn't earn his living from the cars shown on WD as he owns his own company and holds four Guinness Book records.

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I think the point of the show is to show jobs that someone can do themselves and how to save money on labor costs. Ed no doubt gets paid just for being on the show.

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Doubt they are really counting on the money from the car sales to make a living, they are both radio/tv show personalities who have done other projects and get paid for "Wheeler Dealers" by Discovery/BBC so they probably have and make a nice amount of money. I have seen Edd China on Top Gear a couple times. Glad we get both shows in the states as they are very entertaining and there is nothing really like those shows in the states. Chasing CLassic Cars is good and I like Wayne and how he goes to all those nice shows/auctions(especially Monterey)but they don't go much into fixing them up.

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Mike said a couple of times that in reality as a dealer to make money you would just fix anything obvious or dangerous and a bit of 'spit and polish' then punt it on.

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I think the idea is mostly for entertainment and to show what you could, in theory, do yourself.

Also, sometimes you can see new shiney bits on the cars that they never mention, they never cover delivery or MOT or tax costs and sometimes the prices they quote for bits are well off. Its just a bit of fun really, especially if you sky+ it so you can fast forward the bits with Mike in it.

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Actually this show covers a lot more of the business end than most car shows. Unlike the average US car show that puts $50,000 of chrome on a $500 junker, this show really does focus on the fundamentals of making a car safe and salable. Yes they do talk about MOT, taxes and the other realities of the business.

I don't expect anyone in any business to give away all of their trade secrets, for reasons that should be self-evident. To their credit, Mike and Edd share a lot more trade secrets than any other car show I've seen. And when Edd spends many hours of work to turn a fairly small profit, that's the best trade secret of them all. If you watch "Fast 'n' Loud" and go into business thinking that you can make a 100%+ profit every time, you'll quickly learn about what's faked for TV!

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I think the idea is that Ed is the "average home DIY mechanic" i.e you. The show is just showing what you can do buying, fixing and selling....or at least the first few "seasons" were like that. The last few they have used all sorts of fancy equipment that only the pros would have which kind of lets things down a bit.

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To be fair, where Edd does use expensive kit, he usually points out you can hire it if you can't afford to buy it, and roughly how much it would cost per day to hire.

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Agreed that's what it is. I do wish they'd factored in some of his time or tools at the end to see if it were actually possible to turn a profit on said car though. Because if you're a home mechanic having to hire (rent, borrow, buy, steal) said tools, then that's a cost that's simply unavoidable even if your time is freely spent.

If shortcuts or tricks are the only way to make a "buck" on this show then that's always been the hardest part for me to come to grips with. Granted I've only watched the first few seasons so far.

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Better question is why does Edd need Mike at all? Mike looks like a drunken pub monkey who probably pisses away all the profits from Edd's work at the boozer...

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Mike does the buying & selling and often helps source parts as well as give the car history bits which I find pretty interesting. I think it takes different folks to really make a concept like this work. You need someone willing to low ball offer on a vehicle and really haggle over the price. "For The Love of Cars" (which was a great watch and just finished it's first run) had the mechanic going out to do the deal on the vehicle and it was pretty boring overall as he mostly just paid what was being asked without any haggling. What made that show was despite showing a fair amount of the work they gave the historical/fanclub side of each vehicle about 1/2 of the episode which meant a little less time in the garage. So a similar formula, yet somewhat fresh. Still, overall I prefer seeing more time put into the restoration since a lot of what I watch WD for is to help me decide what classic car I may want to purchase and what kinds of mechanical tasks I can expect (as well as stuff to watch out for). I'm currently leaning towards a Triumph Spitfire. I love the simplicity of it and how the hood and fenders all raise up out of the way to make it so simple to get at most parts on the car.

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Ed doesn't need Mike at all...after any person gets established in what ever business they'll find a parts source or leads from that source...same goes for the cars he buys and sells (like Mike has the little black book with names of people he dealt with over the years...same, same)Mike barely knows how to hold a screwdriver (or does he)Ed could do the show himself for sure...Mike's too full of himself...not a trait I care for in a person...ok, I'm done

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Certainly Edd's mechanical skills would be critical for someone wanting to fix-and-flip cars like they do on WD. However, for most home mechanics it's Mike's end of the deal that is probably missing. As Edd displays, a good mechanic can usually translate that skill from one car to the next, even without being previously familiar with the particular model.

Aside from a great deal of charm, what Mike brings to the show is experience, knowing the market and what can be realistically be accomplished on both the buy ans sell ends... not to mention knowing when to walk away from a car that is priced too high or needs too much work and knowing when to cut his losses if the end result won't bring the expected profit.

I've seen way too many private sellers and curbstoners asking far too much for older cars ("curbstoner" being a term I only recently learned - meaning someone who regularly engages in flipping cars for profit, but without a dealer license or lot - i.e. selling cars beside the curbstone as though they were a private seller offering their own used car for resale).

I recently saw an online listing where the seller said "I know the price I'm asking is too high, but it's because I paid too much for the car". WTF do I care if you paid too much? Doesn't mean I'm going to! Brewer would have cut his losses and priced to the market.

I really like Mike, especially the way he negotiates without ever being antagonistic. The show would definitely not be as entertaining without him!

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Yes he gets Mike's wonderful smile - except when he had the Ford Escort sprayed green over its original and er beautiful russet brown.

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they actually painted it bright yellow :-) and the buyer loved it and thought it looked retro/period. I thought the brown was hideous, you really only ever see it on really old Toyotas and a few other cars in the U.S... and obviously even by advertising it as "original paint" and all that. it simply needed a change.

they painted a couple other cars green so it's easy to forget.

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I'll adjust the colour setting on my TV :) Russet Brown and Woodland green must be the two worst colours in the World - yet some buyers love them.

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He gets half the profit, I think. But the point is that you're supposed to do it yourself. That's why Ed explains everything he does with the cars.

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I reckon they're making their living selling the show (ie. the Discovery channel pays them for each episode), compared to that their profit on cars is mostly pocket change.

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