My theory on why Shredder and Krang let Utrom Shredder do what he did is because the original cartoon villains were actually pretty lazy anyways!
I mean, Shredder and Krang were lazy villains. They stole most their technology, fooled others into doing their dirty work, and really were just plain lazy characters to begin with! Even in the "Shredderville" episode, when that Shredder rules New York City, he's too lazy to keep the city out of disrepair and lets the Technodrome get run down. They are lazy villains!
I mean, when they were sitting there watching Utrom Shredder while eating popcorn it was a classic moment. They liked watching how a serious villain worked, and the Utrom Shredder made vast improvements to the Technodrome, the Foot Soldiers, everything! Now when they go back to the 1987 Toon Universe they have a superbly upgraded Technodrome with both Dimension X and Utrom technology! Yet with their new superior Technodrome they would most likely still bungle every scheme they get! When Shredder attacked Krang in his walker you knew he'd wanted to do that to Krang for years!
Somebody brought up that the drastic portrayal of the 1987 Turtles might be because the other Universe works differently. In a way, that does make sense. Mutagen in the 2003-verse makes fiercer mutants, and yet the 1987 lasers out of the Turtle Van (aka Party Wagon as called on the toy version) don't have as much of an effect on stuff in the 2003-verse. Also back to the Turtles being in public maybe by the time this film happens they've become more accepted by their public (near the end of the series the Channel 6 news crew, Burne and Vernon, had more meetings with the Turtles at least).
One theory though is that this film takes place before Season 8 of the original series when the sky turned red, April started wearing the brown leather jacket, and things got grittier. Maybe this little adventure helped prepare them for those episodes as things got harder to fight.
Also, if you notice the 2003-verse was starting to have similar attributes to the original series. Splinter watching a soap opera like Krang used to? On Channel 6 of all stations as well (got interrupted with a Channel 6 News Bulletin about the 1987 series Turtles fighting Hun)? April wearing a yellow (and black though) track suit?
The original Turtles cartoon was more creative, and it had a lot of interesting oddities. The newer one though is rooted in more realism and the comics (as the comics eventually became).
Sincerely,
Exchronos
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soul_reaver265
14 years ago
If they were never afraid of dieing only because they always knew they were in a TV show, then they should know that they were still in one now. Raphael still broke the 4th wall. Everything about the 87 show was exaggerated to look stupid.
The jokes cracked at the expense of the original series were clearly intentional, but if it helps to get my earlier point across, think of what was done in this movie as what happens when adapting a property from one format to another. The most important thing to remember is that the rules change. They can change a little or a lot, but they still change.
The Ninja Turtles Multiverse is just that, a Multiverse. As ExChronos mentioned in the above post, the movie seems to have made it pretty clear that each dimension has its own set of rules. Although the Classic Turtles may never have been killed off in their own world, that doesn't mean it cant happen in another one.
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exchronos
14 years ago
Oh, and one more thing too. I know the Technodrome has a dimensional portal, but technically, isn't the movie about alternate timelines?
I mean, when you think of Dimensions as the classic Turtles cartoon used, they aren't alternate timelines but different places in space-time with their own unique weird beings (from Dimension X to Ogg, to the places Usagi Yojimbo are from and went to). "Turtles Prime" would just be the one timeline that all the others diverged from somehow, thus quantumly linking them together (there's a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Worf is continuously seemlessly inhabiting one alternate reality to another until they can find the temporal anomaly he passed through and find the universe with his quantum/temporal signature).
I mean, yeah, they call them dimensions all the way throughout the film, but isn't it more like the TMNT multi-verse represents alternate realities instead of alternate dimensions? Or do I just think too much?
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Exchronos
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soul_reaver265
14 years ago
I dont think you think too much, its a valid point there.
I also have NO IDEA why my first post in this thread was deleted, especially since I wasn't actually saying anything genuinely antagonistic or denying anyone their right to complain, but was infact attempting to present a valid point. It may not have been made using my own words, but its still valid. Besides, its not as if I was telling those people complaining to shut the hell up or anything (which I would've done straight up if I wanted to do so). Oh well, whatever, what's done is done and I'm not gonna hold it against the admins since they were just doing their job.
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surfingthechaos
14 years ago
Alternate dimensions and alternate timelines are the same thing. Dimension X is simply a timeline that diverged from the main one drastically farther back in time. It would had to have diverged far enough back to where something could have prevented evolution as we know it from taking place on the earth considering their version of earth is populated by creatures made out of stone as well as the "Krangezoids". I personally think that the Utroms colonized the primordial earth in Dimension X and evolved into a humanoid lizard species, which Krang would have been a member of. This would explain Krang's relation to the Utroms. It could be that when the inhabitants of Dimension X earth banished Krang for his crimes and reduced him to a living brain, that they were simply reverting him to an earlier form of his species. This would make his form different yet similar to an Utrom. Somehow the presence of the Utroms on earth would had to have prevented the native carbon based life from developing, which would then make room for a completely different form of life to somehow originate from rocks.
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