He goes off alone (no buddy system) on an extreme sport without telling anyone where he went (specifically).
Gosh! Who could have expected that this sort of thing might happen when you do not follow safety precautions.
Now, that being said, if he is totally cool with dying for his dreams, then that is one thing. But from his account, he wanted to live just like a normal person.
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shareWhat he did to get himself into the situation was certainly stupid, but the way he got himself out of it was brilliant. I've known people like this before--people who act foolishly and recklessly in one moment, and in the next come up with ingenious solutions to problems.
shareIt is not brilliant at all. The solution was extremely obvious, to sever what is trapping you. It is courageous in the sense of being willing to do through with it.
shareIt wasn't cutting off his arm that was brilliant, it was figuring how to do it with just the dull blade of a multi-tool that couldn't cut through bone, and to perform the operation safely, without any medical training. Most people who attempted such a thing wouldn't have succeeded in severing the arm, and would probably have ended up bleeding to death anyway.
shareDunno about the bleeding to death part. Any surgeons around? I've heard it said that when a limb is suddenly severed, say by an overturned tractor on a farm, the arteries in the "good" part of the limb remaining immediately retract, like a whiplash, in an attempt to stem the blood flow. However, a tourniquet is always good,too. The body will do whatever it can to save itself. Of course, often unsuccessfully.
shareAhh but his limb was not "suddenly" severed. I believe you are right to a degree, in the case of a tractor roll or a big axe to the arm the brain figures out what happened fairly quickly and the arteries do sort of shut off or retract if it was quick/clean enough (I'm no doctor so I am unsure of the exact science). In this case however it took a little time and this was not a clean cut. By the time his arm was finally off he would have been pretty close to bleeding out had he not had a tourniquet or done a good job.
shareHe might have been an idiot, but I think it's harsh to say that he 'deserved' to lose an arm for being idiotic... Idiocy that isn't malevolent is forgiveable, as far as I'm concerned.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
If you don't exercise and have a healthy diet, you deserve to become fat and therefore die early. Same logic.
Engage in extreme sports in a reckless fashion <=> deserves to lose your life
Same logic, but I still don't agree with it... Some punishments are just too harsh, especially for innocuous actions that are just hurting yourself and nobody else... If you're happy being callous, then good for you, but I'm not.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
Then that is where we differ then. We need not hold the same opinion. I clearly believe in the ultimate punishment, and you apparently do not.
Btw, his punishment only hurt him, and nobody else.
If he didn't hurt anybody else, then I don't believe it warrants ANY kind of punishment... A close call to wake him up and stop him taking unnecessary risks would have been sufficient, but you apparently believe he 'deserved' more... Yes; that is where we differ.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
Well, within this context, punishment refers to that dealt out by the Universe rather than human law. Certainly what he is doing is legal and does not warrant any legal punishment.
As for the universe, what he is doing is inherently risky and therefore the possibility of death is high. Within that context, he therefore deserves death. In the same sense that if you consume sufficient alcohol to have a BAC of 0.60, you deserve death. It is more the nature of the world than anything else, I suppose?
'The Universe' is unbiased, though - but the word 'deserve' is inherently judgemental... It's fair to say that the risk is higher, but within that context I would still be hoping that the worst does not happen, because I'm a compassionate person towards those who have done no harm to me. Humans are the sole arbiters of what is fair and what is not, and I don't feel like it's charitable for me to run the rule over somebody I don't know.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
Judgemental does not mean it is necessarily negative. In a sense, it is judgemental to claim that the building will collapse because of insufficient load-bearing pillars. Just as it is judgemental to claim that a BAC of 0.60 will almost certainly kill you.
Similarly, it is judgemental to claim that he is the author of his own misfortune. Does not mean it is not true.
I am not a compassionate person. I am a pretty hard man. And I think he deserves death. Those who court death should succeed in their courtship.
I never said that it WASN'T true that he is the author of his own misfortune... It absolutely is. However, I can still sympathise, when it is also true that other people have undertaken even RISKIER enterprises, and yet walked away without consequence... Such is the nature of random chance.
I am a pretty hard man. And I think he deserves death. Those who court death should succeed in their courtship.
Sure, that is fine. Most people are not as hardcore as I am. I can certainly appreciate that.
I trust that you do realize that there are quite a number of people who are indeed this hardcore though.
Yes. Quite a few people who I endeavour to stay away from! When you take over the world, my type will be first against the wall, no doubt.
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
Oh, I wouldn't say that. What my people ask for is respect, respect towards the Universe and towards self. If you do no wrong, you need not fear us.
Of course, our definition of what is wrong may grow should we come to power...
Ok, I just can't help myself here...WTF is the point of this thread??? lol Hilarious, truly. Thanks, I needed to laugh.
shareJust being silly on the internet, I suppose. Sometimes, despite it being the internet, you run into another person that you strike it off with. And this hilarious thread is the result. Haha.
Glad you like it.
Oh, I wouldn't say that. What my people ask for is respect, respect towards the Universe and towards self. If you do no wrong, you need not fear us.
Of course, our definition of what is wrong may grow should we come to power...
That last post was joking in tone. Obviously, extreme hardliners will not take over the world.
As for the actual content, nope. First of all, you are an idiot for thinking that my personal conduct can invalidate my position. My position is that poor conduct deserves punishment. Even if I myself perform poorly, I am still consistent so long as I consider myself deserving of punishment as well.
And no. Though we are all mouthing off nonsense with no proof on the internet (obviously), no. I am quite successful (on a modest level, not Bill Gates or even close) and proud of my hard earned success. A nice income, sizeable net worth, healthy, degree from a prestigious university. I work hard and expect the same from others.
I will concede however, that I am modest physically. Although I experience regularly, I have no interest in extreme sports. I am certainly not capable of doing what he did in the film, or free climbing. But I never claimed to, nor do I intend to.
Haha. Guess this prick realizes how much of a loser he is, and decides to quit it while he can.
shareYou sound like a right loon mate.
shareYou sound like an idiot. For not being able to understand that if you don't respect safety, you can easily get hurt.
shareWell, Mr. Hardcore, I hope that when you do stupid things (you have and you will), at the very least, you lose a limb. Oh and when you do, stay hardcore and tell everyone how you deserved it.
I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!
Hope you die too. :)
But yes. I have moral integrity and if I screw up big, I am willing to own it. I have screwed up, you are certainly right about that, that is what humans do. The difference is that I have the moral fortitude to admit it and own it.
No one deserves what happened to him. Sure, he was stupid and complacent in some ways, but he didn't go out of his way to deliberately cause that boulder to jam his arm.
shareDoes (extreme) poor conduct not deserve death?
shareOf course it doesn't! What a darned stupid question.
shareSo... in other words, no matter how poorly a person behaves, nobody ever deserves death then? There is never due cause?
shareNo there are many people that deserve death, but nobody else on here seems to agree that "stupidity" alone is due cause. Stupid people do indeed die and doing something ridiculously stupid often leads to death and thats certainly fair, but I wouldn't say that they deserve it.
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