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Proof he doesn't commit suicide in the end?


Not much need for spoiler warning because this post just speculates what happens *after* the end of the movie but since I'll include mention of a few things from the movie I guess SPOILER WARNING BELOW is due....








Can anyone prove he *doesn't* commit suicide after the movie ends? I don't think there is any definitive proof he doesn't. Nor is there any proof he does. The reason I mention it is because the final scenes don't *strongly* give the sense that he feels everything will be okay. If we are to believe that he will sign the papers and finalize the divorce and move on from there then is financial need not a serious consideration? Would you give away the valuable signed baseball which could have been used to bankroll the salvation of his life? His giving this away seemed more to me like a sign that he was about to end it all instead. The revelation that his best friend thought he was a loser and was cheating on him with his wife was the final straw perhaps. I mean it is all well and good that the neighbor gives him the polaroid that says 'Everything is not yet hopeless' or whatever but maybe he ultimately disagrees after all that happened to him.

Do we really know definitively that the ending of this movie is his rebounding from his lowest low? Because it could just as easily end just before he sinks lower and gives up.

Thoughts?

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I think he gave away the valuable records and baseball because he realized their friendship was worth more than the money they were worth... My thoughts are that he stopped drinking and got together with Delilah. But I'm one of those people who enjoy the "super happy endings".




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Could go either way, i think the director wanted it like that.

The look on his face when he says goodbye to the kid without saying as much meant a lot more than just 'I'll see you next week'. They were social and that could have continued if he had intentions to do so.
Then he gave away his last meaningful possessions to the last few people that he had meaningful relationships with -near strangers no less (hard to remember the movie takes place over the course of three to four days).

I was expecting him to put the house up for sale, that would have made it glaringly obvious he was moving on with his life. When that didnt happen, and he got the picture from his neighbor with the quote on it, i thought it was her understanding the hopelessness he felt and tried to reach him in some non-obtuse manner that would actually resonate with his character.

I think the question is not 'did he off himself during the credits', but 'was he /going to/ off himself during the credits'. The way the movie concluded is a fork in the road for the viewer to decide which direction was taken. Did the sentiment in the picture pull him from the brink, or was it not enough? The last fifteen minutes almost seemed like too much to me, with his life getting that much worse after he had began making so much progress (with so little time remaining in the film to somehow make things work out nicely). It fit better for me after seeing the film's conclusion, but like I said before, I think it was all a setup for the viewer to decide.

Either way, this was a much better movie than I was expecting. Reminds me of 'The Weatherman' in that it was marketed as a regular comedy, though it was actually a thoughtful and well-made film that either happily surprised or greatly disappointed.

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I think that the interpretation really kind of says more about the person assuming it. I personally think that him giving away he things is more of him coming to terms with a part of his life being over and moving on.

I never thought of the suicide angle until I came here to the message boards.

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i would offer as tangential evidence that he does not kill himself the fact that he decides not buy any alcohol on his way home from the police station.

i would also add that the movie seemed to show that his wife wasn't all that good for him anyways, that he was living his life for her (the fish, the japanese deco of the house, etc), and that it actually wasn't all bad for him to move on. i also got the sense she was the reason they never had kids, since we see that he is actually quite good with kids (the high school girl tells him he's a natural)

i believe the movie is titled "everything must go" because in order for him to really address his alcoholism and get a grasp on sobriety, something we are told no therapy or medication was ever of much use, he needed to leave his past entirely, which included both an alcoholic father (hence getting rid of the records) and an alcoholic wife (hence leaving the house and everything else). everything must go for him to really change.

and i think the movie gives us a sense that he is in fact ready for a new life, a new life of sobriety, which i think will include the girl from high school. i think he connects the photo with the what the high school girl told him, that's he's a genuinely good person, and now actually believes it, and thus believes his life has worth and should go on.

he may have lost a friend and a wife, but he's gained three new, genuine friends.

so i think the movie ends on a hopefully note. but that could very easily just be what i want to believe. i admit i was a little concerned that movie left the ending open to interpretation. i really want a hopeful ending for the guy.

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All very good points, and that all makes sense to me. I want to believe he didn't kill himself in the end, but a couple of things had me believing he killed himself, mainly his interaction with the kid, holding back tears because he knew he wouldn't see him again. I mean if he's going to move on with his life why wouldn't he be able to include him in it?

But your point that he doesn't buy any liquor on his way home is a good one. If a guy who struggled with alcohol his entire life was so down that he was going to kill himself, he would most likely drink himself into oblivion and find a way to end it all.

I guess that was the director's intention, and I usually have no problem with ambiguous endings but damnit! It really could go either way. I guess it all depends on how you look at it. My gut was that he gave all his stuff away because it was over for him, and he didn't want to live anymore. But I think I'd rather look at it the way nubbytubbybiatchesgalore does.

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He acted that way with the kid for a couple reasons. He knew we wasn't keeping the house, the wife wanted it. He would probably never seen him again.

He felt bad for the kid, I mean the kid was raising himself. The kid was a good friend to him and he never had kids.

I got the impression he would have had kids.

His wife was not good for him, like me after my wife asked for a divorce, I was living her life. He was living hers not his.

He did not buy beer, he knew he needed to stop for good. That even though his wife was a HUGE F'ing bitch, he was part of the blame for it all. Alcohol was a major cause of his problems, personal and professional.

He also didn't drink after hearing in the bathroom he could have got his job back had he not sliced the guys tire.

I think he left those things also because they all helped him in some way.

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FWIW the last of the deleted scenes on the DVD is titled "Nick's New Apartment." A woman shows him a nice, but empty, apartment and tells him about furniture options. The scene ends with him looking out the window as if he were wondering what was next in his life. I don't know if this was the original ending or not, but it could have been. Also, in the final scene where Samantha gives him the polaroid photo, she has affixed a fortune (from a cookie) that reads "Everything is not yet lost." I think this is supposed to be a bittersweet yet upbeat ending where he has already hit his low point and is now bouncing back. I don't think he commits suicide.

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It would have been more satisfying if he did. He walks back into the house, then we hear a gunshot and then cut to credits.

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It doesn't really matters if he does or doesn't kill himself in the movie.
The thing is..in his situation..many would..
and i can't judge them for that.

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How would someone prove something didn't happen after the end of a movie?

That is impossible. But I got no inkling he was suicidal.


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Do we have any proof he didn't get abducted by aliens?? Cmon, its a movie. You see what the director wants you to see and u make your own conclusions. There is no PROOF.

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