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Parents and society are to blame.


People should raise their kids better. Let them know the kind of dangers that exist in our world. Teach them what to and not to do, and most importantly, be cautious on what kind of things they can access online.

All that paired up with a bad environment to raise your kids in, and you may have tons of situations similar to this film.

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You're right, they should. Unfortunately, many parents today are heading in the opposite direction and are refusing to educate their children about these things. They flip out at the schools that try teaching sex-ed because they claim they don't want the schools talking to their kids about sex, etc., but yet they refuse to talk to their kids at home. They wrongly think that if they keep their kids in the dark, their kids won't encounter things like this and they can keep their kids innocent. Which is pretty much what this movie portrays. The parents didn't talk to their daughter about sex, trying to keep her innocent, and it left her vulnerable to Charlie.

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Absolutely. My brother and I discussed this the other day and since we live in a predominantly black area, girls as young as 14 are sneaking off to meet with men in their late 20s into their 40s because black men naturally have swagger and it's all that matters to these girls, along with the attention they seek to get from these men because of their early sexual growth and knowledge; absent fathers are another big reason for it. But with the parents avoiding this matter with their kids do help to increase this epidemic.

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You can teach them and tell them all the dangers of the internet but you can't be with them all the time and hover over them like a helecoptor. Teens are still going to do stupid $hit no matter how much you teach them.

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In this case, however, it's almost totally possible to prevent something like this from happening. That means not giving your teenage daughter access to her own phone and computer. You can buy cell phones with limited plans that do not include internet access, and if you must have a computer, you station it in a communal family location along with having parental controls over what the teen can and cannot access. Sure, they can be exposed to other things outside the home on other people's computers, but the exposure would be limited.

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I sure as hell never agreed to meet up with a stranger that I talked with online, when I was young. Yes, there's certain reckless actions, but then there's utter stupidity. If a teen does this, than he/she has serious intelligence issues.

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Sure, John, blame the 14 year old victim for being taken in by a pedophile con artist. BTW, I hate to break it to you but even the most intelligent people can be conned because intelligence and emotionally fragility are not mutually exclusive.

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Yeah, parents should raise their kids better... by teaching their sons not to grow up to be pedophiles and/or rapists.

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the thing is predators are simply con artists
they know how to push a persons buttons and literally control them.

they pray on a persons insecurities and weaknesses even the best raised person could fall for there con

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Actually it's not society, or the parents, or the victim, or anyone else who is to blame. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the criminal who committed the crime.

People like you make me sick, wanting to displace blame onto the shoulders of the family of the victims, maybe even the victims themselves. Tell me, when an adult woman gets raped do you immediately ask "What was she wearing? What was she even doing there?". You sound like someone who does.

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The perpetrator isn't solely to blame here. In this case, the victim definitely shares in the blame. And the fact that she's this stupid, the people who raised her share in the blame as well.

"Thin line between heaven and here" - Bubbles

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Actually it's not society, or the parents, or the victim, or anyone else who is to blame. The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the criminal who committed the crime.


Wrong. Criminals commit crimes because they live in an environment where the opportunity is there, and the payoff exceeds the risk. In addition, they were likely not raised in a way that would reinforce good behaviors and discourage bad behaviors. I think the internet makes it too easy for them to have opportunity without the risk (ie. using the methods displayed in the movie to remain anonymous). In short, criminals are just a product of the human condition in a particular environment. Individual blame does nothing to answer any questions about why sex predators exist or how to eliminate them. That is not to say they shouldn't be held accountable by going through the justice system, just that humans don't spontaneously decide to become sex predators because well they just felt like it and are just inherently evil because well they just are cause I said so.

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Criminals commit crimes because they live in an environment where the opportunity is there, and the payoff exceeds the risk.


If that were the case no one ever would have committed, say, murder back when the penalty was much more gruesome than it is now but they did. They took a HUGE risk, and for what normal (for lack of a better word) people would see as no payoff whatsoever. Of course, in the mind of a murderer the payoff always exceeds the risk.

In addition, they were likely not raised in a way that would reinforce good behaviors and discourage bad behaviors.


Sometimes but not always. For any given criminal raised in a certain way you can find many others who were raised in the same way but don't commit crimes. Likewise, you can find violent criminals who come from families that reinforced good behavior and discouraged bad behavior.

Why do sexual predators exist? Because they always have, and they always will. Humans are a brilliant yet highly flawed species, exhibiting behaviors that can only be found in highly intelligent animals. In fact, when it comes to primates the higher up the ladder you go the more chance there is for aberrant behavior. If it were all the fault of society, then why do these criminals exist in every type of society humans have ever created, and why don't all the people within that society exhibit the same behavior? Quite obviously the brain of individual come into play.

Lastly, yes, they become sexual predators because they feel like it. I don't really care about the reasons WHY they feel like it. They know it's wrong, they know it's illegal, and they do it anyway. I'll blame society when society decides to make these crimes legal. Until then, I'll blame the one who actually commits the crime.

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If that were the case no one ever would have committed, say, murder back when the penalty was much more gruesome than it is now but they did. They took a HUGE risk, and for what normal (for lack of a better word) people would see as no payoff whatsoever. Of course, in the mind of a murderer the payoff always exceeds the risk


You're making the error of assuming that the mind of a criminal works the same as your mind. It doesn't. The criminal mind weighs risks and rewards differently than yours and mine, which explains why criminals tend to stay criminals and are very difficult to rehabilitate even when their lives would be 10 times easier if they just stopped breaking the law. To them the incentive to stay law abiding as well as the effort required just doesn't match up to the reward of whatever crime they are committing.

Why do sexual predators exist? Because they always have, and they always will. Humans are a brilliant yet highly flawed species, exhibiting behaviors that can only be found in highly intelligent animals. In fact, when it comes to primates the higher up the ladder you go the more chance there is for aberrant behavior. If it were all the fault of society, then why do these criminals exist in every type of society humans have ever created, and why don't all the people within that society exhibit the same behavior? Quite obviously the brain of individual come into play.


Every behavior we exhibit is just us responding to our genetics and our environment. Most of us can handle the environment, but others cannot. A lot of it is genetic predisposition to having impulsive behavior, others is how we're raised. If you are raised in the inner city with a crack-addicted mother and no father, chances are you could end up in a gang and not respect human life. If you are raised in a middle-class suburban family, you will likely end up with a good set of morals and be a productive citizen.

Nobody spontaneously becomes evil without some underlying cause. Human behavior is bound by the laws of physics just like the behavior of animals. Our sense of morality doesn't exist outside of what our physical brains create. Our behavior is just the result of deterministic processing by our brains.


Lastly, yes, they become sexual predators because they feel like it. I don't really care about the reasons WHY they feel like it. They know it's wrong, they know it's illegal, and they do it anyway. I'll blame society when society decides to make these crimes legal. Until then, I'll blame the one who actually commits the crime.


If you don't care WHY they feel like it, then you aren't really interested in solving the problem. Because answering the WHY is the first part to solving a problem. How does blaming the individual actually change anything? All you do is react to criminals without doing anything to prevent them in the first place. Even with stiff consequences, we already know that N% of the population does not respond to this deterrence. Instead you reduce that number by learning more about the root cause of the behavior and using more creative ways. But as long as you are on your high horse, you cannot change anything.

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If you don't care WHY they feel like it, then you aren't really interested in solving the problem. Because answering the WHY is the first part to solving a problem.


You assume it IS a solvable problem. Sorry, but it's not. If you figure out what makes someone an artist, can you turn someone into a Michelangelo? No, you can't. You just know WHY Michelangelo was an artistic genius, or WHY Einstein was a mathematical genius, or WHY Mozart was a musical genius. Figure out WHY someone is a murderer and all you know is WHY. You can't change them.

BTW, I'm not talking about criminals who are pretty obviously a product of environment. Teach a child to be a killer and he'll be a killer, but not because he gets any true joy from it. I'm talking about the mass murderers, the serial killers, the ones who get their rocks off torturing and killing. They are the Mozarts of their genre, and you can't change them no matter how much you understand the WHY. Even if we COULD change them it opens up a whole new can of ethical worms since it's probably not right to force a change on someone before they've done anything wrong, and after? Well, then it's too late.

But as long as you are on your high horse, you cannot change anything.


On or off my high horse I can't change anything. I'm not a neuroscientist or a psychologist or a geneticist. I'm just a humble software engineer who will never make any great discoveries that will lead to the understanding of the criminal mind. I'm pretty sure you won't either so you'll forgive me if I think it is YOU who are on the high horse.

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