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Two things that bugged me

posted 10 years ago by bassolinja
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1. Nobody really tries to explain to Annie that whether or not she was in fact raped, it was still a crime what the guy did.

2. Annie's realization at the end: "He lied so he could have sex with me. He never loved me. -- Oh my god. He raped me." Now, like I said, it doesn't matter if it was rape or not, the guy committed a crime. But Annie vocalizes exactly the afterthought that women, who have been fooled by sleazy guys to have sex with them, have and go in court to lie, saying they were raped, just to get back at the guys. I just wish they would have made the realization or at least the lines a little different.

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[–] bassolinja 10 years ago

Yes, but the reasoning is a little bit faulty. If a guy lies to get a girl to have sex with him and the girl agrees, that's not rape or a crime of any kind. (Obviously, I'm talking about when the two people are both adults.) But the lines that Annie says at the therapist's office seem to make that incorrect connection.

[–] darkshyne 9 years ago

In some jurisdictions, it is. It's called "rape by deception".

One example: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensu al-sex-jew

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur5447903/ratings

[–] bassolinja 9 years ago

Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for this bit of info.

[–] bassolinja 9 years ago

This left me thinking. Sex that is "obtained under false pretences" happens all the time in real life as well as in fiction. We see someone in a movie or a sitcom lying to get laid just about every day and we laugh about it. But if you lie about religion...
Religion, man. I wonder if there could be any other situation where lying to get laid means jail time.

[–] WileyDairyGnome 9 years ago

A good example of rape by deception...from what I can recall...is like if a twin had sex with his brother's girlfriend without her knowledge or if a guy blindfolded his girlfriend and then had another guy come in a have sex with her...but she thinks it's the boyfriend. Also...your example feels really...unsettling to me. The girl is underage and confused and unwilling to accept the truth because it's way worse than her "fantasy". It is not at all comparable to when women lie about rape. The point isn't totally that it's illegal, he used the girl. I know girls who are 18/19 and are coerced into having sex with older guys under false pretenses. They imply that they're interested in a relationship and then take advantage of naive and inexperienced women. Is it illegal? No. But it's *beep* up. Sorry I'm going on a tangent but I didn't like what you were implying...

[–] bassolinja 9 years ago

Yes, I agree: lying to get laid is messed up. But it happens a lot, lying about age or occupation or having money etc. We see it in the media all the time and for some reason I guess we're kinda ok with it. At least I haven't heard any complaints about Barney Stinson claiming to be an airline pilot to a random hook-up.

Yes, the guy took advantage of the girl and it was sick and wrong, but what made it clearly a crime was the fact that the girl was underage. I was only talking about what she said at the therapist's office, I wasn't implying that the actual situation was in any way comparable to the cases where women lie about rape. And that's a criticism for the screenwriter.

The examples you mentioned are very interesting, I didn't think of it like that.