Jesse - Pregnancy Pact (2010) Discussion

[–] alace2 14 years ago

I was so disappointed when I saw that scene. I know it's kind of unrealistic, but I was hoping that he'd forgive her and, if not get back together, help her in some way with their daughter.

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[–] SoulisDeep 14 years ago

I know. It made me feel really depressed.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

Ordinarily, I wouldn't think of it as unrealistic. It happens all the time.

However, it's unrealistic in the context of the movie. All through the movie, we kept hearing about how it was a small isolated town, and both the families knew each other and attended church together. In small towns like that, with familes who know each other and see other every week, it would be hard to just walk away and pretend like nothing happened. Even if he didn't want responsibility, the community they lived in would have basically forced him to accept it.

If this movie had been set in NYC or LA, the ending would have been believable, even predictable. But for their town, it just didn't add up.

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[–] nybaby1991 14 years ago

well iguess the movie was saying like after high school he was going to college for baseball n i guess never come abck to the town again

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[–] BreezyBlue88 14 years ago

I can't blame the guy for moving on. She did a pretty sketchy thing that was just messed up. As long as he was still involved in his kids life or atleast paying child support, let him date somebody else. She tricked him.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

It really bothers me when I hear people say that girls trick guys into getting them pregnant. Right! Like the guy had no control in the matter.

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[–] cubearcub 14 years ago

Exactly. You can't trick someone into getting pregnant

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[–] BreezyBlue88 14 years ago

Not all girls trick guys into getting them pregnant. Im not making excuses for him not using birth control because I think thats just dumb. He asked her if there was a pact, she lied and said no. So I can understand him not wanting to be with her. However he still has the responsibility to support his child.
My reasoning behind him moving on to a new girlfriend has nothing to do with the use of birth control. Its the fact that there was lying

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[–] katesgram2000 14 years ago

"I can't blame the guy for moving on. She did a pretty sketchy thing that was just messed up"

Jesse was just as responsible for her getting pregnant- He could have used a condom-he could have NOT had sex with her,

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[–] covergirl10452 8 years ago

I agree with you. He's no angel either. Both of them were wrong. Neither one of them is innocent.

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[–] Maserati7777 14 years ago

She did a pretty sketchy thing

How? Did she cut a hole in the condom? Did she not take her birth control but said she did? There's no way she made him impregnate her.

I hate when guys act shocked their girlfriends as pregnant in film. They had to sperm inside her and if he thought she wouldn't get pregnant he was an idiot and a coward.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

Exactly. She didn't "trick" him. Yes, she planned to get pregnant. But what difference does it make if she wanted it to happen or not? It's not like they were doing anything to prevent it from happening. It was just a convenient way for the movie to put the blame on her.

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[–] RCeditor 14 years ago

Ordinarily, I wouldn't think of it as unrealistic. It happens all the time.

However, it's unrealistic in the context of the movie. All through the movie, we kept hearing about how it was a small isolated town, and both the families knew each other and attended church together. In small towns like that, with familes who know each other and see other every week, it would be hard to just walk away and pretend like nothing happened. Even if he didn't want responsibility, the community they lived in would have basically forced him to accept it.

If this movie had been set in NYC or LA, the ending would have been believable, even predictable. But for their town, it just didn't add up.

I agree, Gf. I think this ending was to illustrate to the target audiences that this can happen & it often does.

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[–] sfnprincess81 13 years ago

In the end, they both messed up, but moreso with Sara. Jesse should have known better than to use the pull-out method, but judging from what the asst. principal said, the sex-ed department at the school was already mediocre. I doubt that Jesse knew anything about birth control to start with.

However, Sara willingly lied to him. Yes, she's a kid, but deceit is deceit. I can't blame Jesse for not wanting anything to do with her.

But over all else, I think Jesse's father played a huge hand in the end. He was gung-ho about Jesse going to college and playing baseball, so when he found out about the pact, I bet he was thrilled because Jesse couldn't be held responsible. It just fed into the father's beliefs that Sara was trash and Jesse should stay away from her. He probably encouraged Jesse to move on and date other girls and forget Sara.

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[–] StarIsland 14 years ago

She didnt deserve him anyway if he was going to act like that and abandon his own flesh and blood.

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[–] Cassidy_510 14 years ago

He was happy until he found out she lied.. he sould be there for his child 100% but that doesnt mean that he has to be with her or talk to her.

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[–] esther-eisenhauer 14 years ago

Moon - you can trick a guy by pretending you're on something when you're not; you can trick a guy by poking holes in the condom through the wrapper before you make him put it on; etc. There are lots of ways a girl can trick a guy and vice versa.

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[–] LadyB2012 14 years ago

The simple fact that WHATEVER she did to "trick" him..she did it..

i know this sounds horrible, but IMO she SHOULD have to live with what she did.

I think ANY girl who does that, by lying about being on birth control or poking holes in condoms, should have to live with the consequences should the guy ever find out what happened.

IN thie case of this movie though, i do KINDA feel like he should help her, i mean the idiot was just "pulling out". he woulda knocked her up anyway...idk how she did it on purpose since he was aware of the fact that he came inside her...idk.

but in any other case, if you're going to lie about taking BCP's or intentionally miss a few pills, or poke holes in condoms, IMO, if its a sperm donor you want, its what you'll end up getting, dont get mad when he walks out! you pretty much asked for it. He'll be long GONE if he finds out that you lied/tricked him into getting you pregnant.

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[–] Maserati7777 14 years ago

I agree with moonbaby 100%.

Jesse said in the movie he should have pulled out those times. In my opinion he knew she wasn't on birth control and apparently thought he could sperm inside her and she probably wouldn't get pregnant. Sorry but you're not special.

He was an idiot and just as much to blame. And there's no way her parents would let her use a birth prevention pill which she would need in order to get it.

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[–] Super_Gurl 14 years ago

I don't think he abandoned the baby. It just showed he had a new girlfriend. The point of that part was to show that life wasn't going to turn out the way the red head girl wanted. She thought by having his baby it would seal the deal with them being together forever, but ironically it drove them apart. I'm sure he was helping out financially and had visitations.

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[–] teachnsurf 14 years ago

He walked away from responsibility because that is what his parents taught him to do

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[–] lily_esque 14 years ago

That scene made me angry.

No matter how stupid the girls were (and they were stupid), it was still his baby. No matter is she got pregnant on purpose, that baby is still his responsibility.

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[–] Cassidy_510 14 years ago

I dont think it would have been a good idea to end the movie with them being happy together.. cus then stupid little girls would be like oh well if they can do it and end up happy together then me & my bf blah blah blah. Thats just how some girls think.. It was messed up but Im happy it ended that way, give girls a chance to think twice. Show that just because you get pregnant doesnt mean he is gon' stay with you.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

^Cassidy_510, that's a good point. When you put it that way, I agree that the ending wasn't that bad.

It still makes the guy look like an a**hole. But you're right that it does show girls that getting pregnant is not a good way to try to make a guy stay with them.

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[–] Maserati7777 14 years ago

I have to agree with Cassidy.

On one side I wanted them to be together since I liked the characters. But in terms of this being a teaching video then I can see how him leaving her would be a better scenario.

Since we all know teen girls do everything they see on tv.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

On one side I wanted them to be together since I liked the characters. But in terms of this being a teaching video then I can see how him leaving her would be a better scenario.

I agree. But had this movie been real life, he would probably have had to marry her. Given the community in which they lived, there would most likely have been a shotgun wedding.

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[–] covergirl10452 8 years ago

I know right? I was very disappointed in Jesse's behavior in the end as well. He's no angel either. He's not innocent. Like you said, he should have buckled down and took responsibility. When my cousin got a girl pregnant, he buckled down and took responsibility. That's all that I could be proud of. However, he became one of the guys who can't get enough.

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[–] Jessaly 14 years ago

I didn't feel bad for her at all. He trusted her and she did something incredibly stupid and was trying to manipulate him into staying with her forever when he had his life planned, he knew what he wanted to do. She was trying to tie him down with a child. That's incredibly manipulative and wrong.

But...he is a complete dumbass to not expect a baby without using protection. I mean, come the *beep* on, "I should have pulled out"? Anyone dumb enough think pulling out is enough doesn't deserve sex.

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[–] lessthan_zero 14 years ago

Jesse was way too hot for her and she's the batty freak that joined a pregnancy pact. Put the baby up for adoption! If I was her parents that baby would be adopted and my daughter would be in serious therapy!

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[–] ohlala_lucie 14 years ago

There's a difference in "lying" and what Sarah did. What Sarah did was despicable. Sarah decieved him, then lied to him, and made him look like an idiot for believing and defending her. It seemed as though Jesse legitimately loved Sarah, and I'm sure that had she not pulled what she did, he would have stayed and helped out. Jesse didn't trust her anymore, and for that I don't blame him. He gave her a chance to tell him the truth, and she lied to his face. Then he got arrested for beating up the reporter that came to the Dougan's house to harass Sarah about the pact, only to find out she was part of the pact? The "pact" that Sarah kept not only had the potential to ruin her life, but that of her parents, Jesse, and Jesse's parents, just to raise her baby with her friends, who may or may not still be friends in 5 years or so. So not only was Sarah very selfish, but she was also a liar and manipulator.

Let's count up the ways Sarah could have ruined Jesse's life because she was selfish. 1) He could have been charged with statutory rape if Sarah's parents really wanted to be mean. Yeah, he was only a year older than her, but it would still held up in court. That means he would have 'sex offender' follow him everywhere for the rest of his life, just for having sex with his girlfriend. 2) He had dreams of college, that he made clear to Sarah. 3) Jesse's parents could have thrown him out. 4) He also could have had assault charges pressed for attacking the reporter. I know that the first three could happen with ANY teen pregnancy, but Sarah tried to get pregnant. That's what makes the difference. Sarah could have been charged with entrapment.

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[–] xxMans_Ruinxx 14 years ago

It doesn't really show whether or not Jesse is helping out with finances for the baby-he very well could be, but I wouldn't want anything to do with that girl after that, either. I wouldn't blame him a bit for dating a less crazy girl.
I grew up in a small town like that, and I've seen teen fathers walk away from their kids and never look back. The type of town doesn't always dictate what the kids will do.

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[–] DarcyBrandon 14 years ago

Jesse could be helping out with the baby financially. Just because he is the father does not mean he had to stay with her. He was upfront with the fact that he wanted to get out of the small town and go to college. Why does he have to give up his future to stay with Sarah? He told her that he wanted her to come with him and she said she didn't want to leave her home and family.

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[–] xPopPunkPrincess 14 years ago

i reality, I'm sure he would have...horribly enough....but...I wish they would have shown him there ATLEAST for the baby....just for a smile....not for realism....just to be happy.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

There's a difference in "lying" and what Sarah did. What Sarah did was despicable. Sarah decieved him, then lied to him, and made him look like an idiot for believing and defending her. It seemed as though Jesse legitimately loved Sarah, and I'm sure that had she not pulled what she did, he would have stayed and helped out. Jesse didn't trust her anymore, and for that I don't blame him. He gave her a chance to tell him the truth, and she lied to his face. Then he got arrested for beating up the reporter that came to the Dougan's house to harass Sarah about the pact, only to find out she was part of the pact? The "pact" that Sarah kept not only had the potential to ruin her life, but that of her parents, Jesse, and Jesse's parents, just to raise her baby with her friends, who may or may not still be friends in 5 years or so. So not only was Sarah very selfish, but she was also a liar and manipulator.

Let's count up the ways Sarah could have ruined Jesse's life because she was selfish. 1) He could have been charged with statutory rape if Sarah's parents really wanted to be mean. Yeah, he was only a year older than her, but it would still held up in court. That means he would have 'sex offender' follow him everywhere for the rest of his life, just for having sex with his girlfriend. 2) He had dreams of college, that he made clear to Sarah. 3) Jesse's parents could have thrown him out. 4) He also could have had assault charges pressed for attacking the reporter. I know that the first three could happen with ANY teen pregnancy, but Sarah tried to get pregnant. That's what makes the difference. Sarah could have been charged with entrapment.

Other than saying that there was no pact, how exactly did she deceive him? I don't know why you're defending Jesse. He wasn't innocent in any of this. Had he been using protection to avoid getting his girlfriend pregnant, then I could agree with you, and say that she did indeed deceive him.

But she didn't trick him or deceive him into getting her pregnant. He was completely willing to have unprotected sex with her. When you're having sex and nobody's using protection, then you can't just turn around and blame the other person when a pregnancy occurs. Unless he was a complete idiot, he had to know there was a high likelihood that she would eventually get pregnant if they weren't taking precautions.

Jesse wasn't upset because she "lied" to him. He was upset because she got pregnant, which would have happened anyway whether she planned it or not. Like most teenage guys, he had no problem doing the deed without thinking about the repurcussions. But when it's time to face the consequences, suddenly it's all the girl's fault for "tricking" him as if he had no idea what he was doing. I didn't feel the least bit sorry for his character. He was a jerk.

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[–] tth1990 14 years ago

You can't say 2 people had sex willingly and one trick the other into getting pregnant because they both choose not to use protection. Its not like saying "i want to get pregnant" makes you more prone to get pregnant. But I think he more felt deceived because in her MIND she was planning their future and how they will stay in the town and not go to college and raise a baby and live happily ever after w/o even asking him what he wanted. It is his fault he did nothing to stop it, he didn't think about what could happen. BUT your not even acknowledging the fact that he did talk to her and still want to be w/ her and the baby. He felt like he was ruining her life because of what he did. He defended her when the newspaper people came and he watched the sonogram video w/ her and was starting to look excited.

It wasn't until he found out that in her mind she wanted to keep him there with a baby, and was happy to be pregnant...not suprised. I think if he had never found out about the pact he would have assumed it was an accident they both could/should have prevented, but would have delt with it and raised the baby together. It was just him finding out she lied to him and used him to get pregnant [which YES he could have prevented but didn't]..its more more about where her mindset was that made him mad.

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[–] BreezyBlue88 14 years ago

What movie were you watching Gods Finest? Because I do not think it was the same one as everybody else. He was starting to come around to the pregnancy but when he found out that she had made the pact, and wanted to become pregnant and then lied to him when in confronted her thats what made him upset. It was said best "Sarah decieved him, then lied to him, and made him look like an idiot for believing and defending her. It seemed as though Jesse legitimately loved Sarah, and I'm sure that had she not pulled what she did, he would have stayed and helped out."

If they were not using protection, then he shouldn't of really been surprised with her getting pregnant. But the fact was that she wanted to get pregnant. She made a pact with her friends to get pregnant. She knew he wanted to go to college and get away from that town. She knew he had dreams of playing baseball.

And the movie only showed him moving on to a new girlfriend. It did not address the posibility that we was involved in his child's life both finacially and/or physically. So you can't really call him a jerk for moving on to a new girlfriend when the girl he was in love with lied to him and made him look like fool.

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[–] tth1990 14 years ago

Exactly I don't think he was mad that she was pregnant..He was mad that in her mind she was planning all of it when she knew he had dreams. [But if he had dreams he should of went to greater lengths to protect them by using a condom]. But still he was more mad that in her mind thats all they needed, no dreams or aspirations, no honesty...just have a baby and live in that town.

I don't really feel bad for either character...they both had part in it. But atleast Jesse wasn't lying to everyone. And I feel like the movie left it vague that way each person could see it as they want to see it. Some might think he moved away to college and left her/the baby behind. Some might see it as he just got a new girlfriend but did help out, it just wasn't shown. And its the same w/ their relationship. Some might see it as maybe they weren't even having sex until she wanted a baby...so she really just used him to get a baby because she knew he wouldn't use a condom. Some might see it as she wanted a baby either way..so even if they were using condoms....she would have poked holes in them or done something to make it that she would get pregnant anyway.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

I think people are getting too focused on the fact that she made a pact to get pregnant. That's irrelevant. What difference does it make whether or not she made a pact? Pact or no pact, he knew she could still pregnant. Getting upset because she wanted to get pregnant just doesn't make any sense.

It's like having unprotected sex with someone who you know has an STD, and then getting upset with the other person because you find out that they wanted to give you the STD. Hello!? Didn't you know that it could happen wheteher or not the person wanted it to happen?

It makes no difference what Sarah planned or didn't plan. They were taking risks which they both knew would result in pregnancy. Just because she planned it didn't automatically make it happen. She still needed him to be apart of it. And it's not like he made it that difficult for her. In fact, he made it very easy. So he's as much to blame as she is.

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[–] tth1990 14 years ago

I agree he is as much to blame as she is. They were risking it, and it would/could have happened regardless of there being a pact or no pact.

And your std example doesn't make sense to me. To me it would be more like...as if one person has an STD but doesn't tell the other person they have an STD. Then the person gets it and is mad..But its really their own fault because they didn't use condoms. So its both their fault....but the original person SHOULD have told them. Just as Sara should have told him she wanted a baby...because he would not have slept with her if he knew that.

And the pact isn't irrelevant...thats what made the whole movie and what made it so odd. Regular teen pregnancies happen EVERYDAY...without the pact this wouldn't be a movie. He ACCEPTED that they were having a baby and it was his fault they didnt use protection. It was the fact that she wanted to get pregnant shows she is MESSED UP in the head....which is why he was mad. He can't be mad she got pregnant because he did not wear a condom and thats his fault. But he can be mad that she in her mind she thinks its great to live in that town and not have any dreams and go to college together and eventually get marrried...without asking him what he wants. Its one thing for it to happen and for them to deal with it. Its another to secretly want something to happen, [regardless of if he did something to stop it or not ]. They are both to blame for the baby, and both could have prevented it.

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[–] BreezyBlue88 14 years ago

Agreed tth.

He asked her point blank if there was a pact for her all of her friends to get pregnant and raise their babies together. She said no and he believed her. Then he found out she lied and did make a pact.

This whole flippin movie was about was there or wasnt there a pact for all the girls to get pregnant.

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[–] Gods_finest 14 years ago

I don't get why it makes any difference that he didn't know about the pact. He didn't need to know about the pact. All he needed to know was that she could get pregnant, which he knew, but obviously didn't care about until it was too late.

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[–] tth1990 14 years ago

He did need to know.. If he had known ahead of time, before they had sex. that she really wanted to have a baby now and get married and stay in the town together. He would not have had sex with her.

He was stupid and oblivious in thinking that she wouldn't/couldn't get pregnant and theyd go off to school together and live happily ever after. But he didn't intend or want it to happen, he didn't secretly want her to have a baby and be tied down....she did. which just makes her look bad.

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[–] twny 14 years ago

Alot of you are obviously very YOUNG! Its not all love and happily ever after in the real world of work and bills. No way would these two ever have made it together or stayed together in real life. No education = dead end job, which leads to long work hours, no benefits, resentment, loss and blame. Meaning eventually 2 people that once loved eachother are gonna look at eachother and realize they are no longer in love, and move on. The child has to suffer the consequences of all of it.
This movie did not address alternatives of adoption or abortion. Shame on Lifetime for that!!!

Also we live in a society that has birth control available for both men and women its time to teach boys as well as girls to USE it! Buying a condom is alot less "embarassing" then having a baby to care for!

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[–] DarcyBrandon 14 years ago

Well it skimmed over the options of abortion and adoption. Jesse told Sarah that his father was willing to pay "to take care of the problem" and Sarah refused. Thora Birch's character Sidney did give her baby up for adoption because she knew if she kept the baby and married her high school boyfriend she wouldn't be able to go to college and get out of that small town. Also, Sidney told Sarah the same thing about buying condoms. She made Sarah come inside with her in that drug store and bought condoms and asked Sarah why she thought buying condoms was more uncomfortable than being pregnant.

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[–] tth1990 14 years ago

She didn't take Sarah in the store to buy condoms. She made some other girl go in, with the long dark hair, because that girl asked Sarah and her friends to buy her condoms because she was embaressed.

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[–] DarcyBrandon 14 years ago

Oops, you're right. But at least the condom issue was dealt with.

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