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Does the universe really go faster than light speed?


If nothing can go faster than light, than how could the universe have expanded trillions of times faster in a blink at the big bang and be expanding at an accelerating rate etc?

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That's called COSMIC INFLATION.

There's theories about how it happened.

Not sure this is right ...

but after the BIG BANG ...

when the 4 FORCES were still ONE FORCE ...

they think things could still exceed the SPEED of LIGHT.

But once the 4 FORCES separate, then the SPEED LIMIT applies.



And then there's also this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo%C3%A3o_Magueijo

In 1998, Magueijo teamed with Andreas Albrecht to work on the varying speed of light (VSL) theory of cosmology, which proposes that the speed of light was much higher in the early universe, of 60 orders of magnitude faster than its present value. This would explain the horizon problem (since distant regions of the expanding universe would have had time to interact and homogenize their properties), and is presented as an alternative to the more mainstream theory of cosmic inflation.

Magueijo discusses his personal struggles pursuing VSL in his 2003 book, Faster Than The Speed of Light, The Story of a Scientific Speculation. He was also the host of the Science Channel special, João Magueijo's Big Bang, which premiered on May 13, 2008.

http://science.discovery.com/tv/joao-magueijo/joao-magueijo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_mvEd9VN6g

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCUbg4inXk

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbop8Mn1iY&feature=relmfu

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJBIP6uaP8&feature=relmfu

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvC0tYFgDY&feature=relmfu

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headaches anyone? lol

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our Reality is littered with low-state protons but since our eyes convince our brains that high-state protons have immediate value, we have this measurement bias.

If high-state protons are communicating "flux" with low-state protons, then light moves in the same way "The Wave" at a sports stadium moves... Pure Illusion.

I enjoyed the below video for its simple breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksTngIWRnWs






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Here's part of a PM from a friend who also watched the other NEW episode of the other show that airs next to the NEW eppy of WORMHOLE:


Saw only pieces of How The Universe Works, 'The Sun' and 'The End of the Universe'. In 'The Sun', (most of which I have yet to see) I learned that a photon may take a MILLION YEAR journey to escape from the sun and bring us light and heat.


So ...

one show says it takes a MILLION YEARS for the photon to journey from the inside to the outside where it escapes from the sun ...

vs:

from the photon's point of view it takes no time for the photon to travel to his RETENA
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and this other guy in the video says it takes the photon NO TIME to travel to it's destination???

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Science isn't sure if proton and photons are even moving at all. If they agitate their neighbors at faster-than-light, it would appear as if they are moving.

So much still hides.



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From the perspective of the photon, no time passes from emission to absorption, regardless of distance. This is a property of the special theory of relativity. In a vacuum, light travels at 186,000 miles per second, but the photon itself is not experiencing the passage of time. This is called time dilation. So the photon takes 8 minutes to reach Earth, but to the photon, no time at all had elapsed from the moment it left the surface of the sun until it hit your retina.

If we could travel at relativistic speeds (a significant percentage of the speed of light), we would also experience this time dilation. Essentially, at 99.9% of light speed, time would slow down for us so much that we could go to the center of the galaxy and back in our own lifetimes, but in actuality, tens of thousands of years would pass here on Earth. If we could actually go the speed of light, we could go anywhere in the universe because time would stop. Of course, billions of years would pass outside our time dilation bubble.

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Thanks for your explanation Jen!!!

Isn't whatever travels at the SPEED of LIGHT also required to take on much more MASS in order to be able to do so???

So what happens to that MASS that it takes on???

Does it disappear once one stops going the SPEED of LIGHT???

Or would one also end up being some kind of a GIANT after one travels that fast???





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Nothing beyond electromagnetic radiation/massless particles can travel at the speed of light. Objects with mass gain mass as they increase velocity and would become infinitely massive at light speed, which would require infinite energy, and therefore cannot happen.

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So even IF we're able to find and locate another PLANET like Earth that's habitable, if it's several LIGHT YEARS away, then that would also mean we can't get there before our SUN turns into a RED GIANT and GOBBLES us up???

Or before our merger with ANDROMEDA which could also cause our DOOM if we get flung out into space ...

or before CLIMATE CHANGE makes the place too HOT for life to endure???

So finding another place to live would make knowing it's there that much more frustrating when there's also NO WAY to get there????









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We can accomplish several light years away if we can achieve relativistic speeds. Current technology precludes anything faster than 50,000 MPH or so, but we already have some ideas about how to get up to about 10% of light speed, and theoretical concepts for reaching 25% and above. The sun won't turn red giant for another 5 billion years and Andromeda will get here in about 4 billion years, and even if we were to only rely on slow generational ships that take centuries or even millennia to reach the closest stars, that is plenty of time to colonize the entire galaxy.

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On one of the WORMHOLE EPPYS called WHAT IS NOTHING it's explained how OUR ENTIRE UNIVERSE will TRANSFORM into another STATE of existence again ...

one where we'd also CEASE to EXIST ...

GO HERE where you'll find a CLIP of it:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1513168/board/thread/207602829

and he also predicts it will happen in about 1 BILLION more years.

So IF he's right, we've probably got much less time left than we think and there would also be NO WHERE to RUN TO or HIDE from it.

And even IF this doesn't happen ...

the CLIMATE on the PLANET will still also CHANGE and HEAT UP to the point where it won't be HABITABLE anymore.

Those who study CLIMATE CHANGE also say it will be that way in just another 50 more years.

So we may also have MUCH LESS TIME left before our EXTINCTION than we think???

Someone else also suggested we HITCH HIKE rides on ASTEROIDS, but one also can't GUIDE THEM or direct them in the direction where one wants them to go???



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Personally, I doubt climate change will be bad enough to make Earth uninhabitable for humans. I think the changes will be moderate at worst, with most problems being geopolitical and socioeconomic rather than environmental. I don't fret about it the way Al Gore wishes I would, but I also don't deny that the average global temperatures are rising and that we might very well be the cause. I happen to be an optimist, so I like to believe that humans will make it long enough to spread throughout the Solar System and beyond.

As for phase change, it might happen in a billion years, a trillion years, or might already have happened somewhere in the cosmos and is propagating toward us at the speed of light and could arrive at any moment. But should it happen, we will simply wink out of existence and never see it coming, never feel a thing. One moment everything is fine, and the next, poof, wiped out instantly. So I don't lose sleep worrying about that, either.

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Are you aware of how it only takes a few degrees to destroy crops?? And how without them we STARVE to death?? Or NUKES begin to fly as food supplies grow scarce thus also resulting in a NUCLEAR WINTER where we have no SUNLIGHT???

And even without this happening, there's also other NATURAL DISATERS waiting to happen like the EXPLOSION of YELLOW STONE ...

which would spread ASH all over everything making it impossible for autos and trucks to work or be able to distribute food supplies.

And there's also tons of METHANE down at the bottom of the OCEAN that can bubble up which could also catch fire if hit by LIGHTENING.

The world’s scariest news? Methane bubbles from the ...


brightgreenscotland.org/...it-methane-bubbles-from-the-artic-ocean

Methane bubbles from the arctic ocean. ... To a scientist it means: temperatures will increase without limit until the oceans boil off and we end up like Venus.




The MELTING PERMA FROST also means the release of METHANE, which also means the entire PLANET is like a POWDER KEG waiting to be LIT UP.

So whereas you may be an OPTIMIST, others may also be REALISTS in regards to what's happening ???






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I'm fully aware of all that, yet remain optimistic for the future. I think science holds the answers to these problems and we have a legit shot at surviving these perils.

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Science also tells us how 99 PERCENT of ALL SPECIES that have existed on this PLANET have GONE EXTINCT.

So if you're a COCK ROACH then your chances for SURVIVAL are also GREATER than the chances are for survival if one is HUMAN.

But by all means go ahead and be OPTIMISTIC if you like.

Just don't be surprised if and when your SPECIES ... just like MOST of the rest of those that have EXISTED here on EARTH ... also CEASES to EXIST anymore.







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Please stop CAPITALISING various RANDOM words FOR NO APPARENT reason...

Seriously, WHY THE *beep* ARE you DOING THIS? I had to give UP READING your posts AFTER THIS ONE because IT'S intolerable! I'D UNDERSTAND if it WAS some kind OF ILLNESS, BUT I CAN'T imagine a condition THAT causes THIS!

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Please stop CAPITALISING various RANDOM words FOR NO APPARENT reason...


I'll give you a reason: Ease of scanning/skimming/fast-tracking(ideas; keywords).

I, for one, applaud the behavior.





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Ease of scanning/skimming/fast-tracking(ideas; keywords).

I, for one, applaud the behavior.



Thanks for your support walrus!!!

Plus it's also much easier on the EYES of an OLDER PERSON than reading the other TINY LITTLE print ...

especially when someone posts the run together type of messages ...

like the ones where they don't use capital letters to start a new sentence ...

and they also don't use paragraph breaks where they need to ... etc.

So it also HURTS one's EYES to try and read that kind of a message.

And it also TAKES too much TIME to use the BOLD OPTION as the other option for being able to quickly SCAN and SKIM through a message.



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My native tongue is Hawaiian Pidgin(english derivative), and it even varies slightly from island to island. It's such a melting pot, at least on Oahu, that we adopt of lot of the timings/quirks that come with a language, like tagalog (filipino) or nihongo (japanese).

Sing song.

Many of us talk very fast. And have horrible english-prime grammar. So to keep up you have to adapt to a new game of comprehension and not get hung up on rules of the old game. Long story short: Listen for the noun! braddah!

Once you have the noun, the rest can be deduced fas'kine. Don't drown.

Semi-all-caps are mostly noun, or noun-specific to the point you can miss a few nouns and float by with loose connotation. I like it. It's "tl;dr" nested within the grafs.






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Thanks for the way you've explained this which is also a most interesting situation.

If only there could also be MORE LIKE YOU instead of the constant parade of TROLLS who post messages full of insults and try to pick a fight!!!

Also LOVED the way you say your culture defines a GOD as being someone who can EAT YOU!!!



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Thanks. Know that I also TROLL from time-to-time. But since I've been on the Internet/Usenet since 1988, I subscribed to a less loaded/heated definition of "trolling."

Anyone breaking topic to start a mess, including making "why so many trollz?!?" threads, is trolling. Plain and simple.

This definition is based on facts... not opinion and hurt-feelings. Calling me "a troll" is hardly offensive since I'm self-aware of my behavior online.

Many "chicken littles" don't realize that counter/unfavorable opinions can keep msgboards from dying outright. "chicken littles" are often the absolute worst type of TROLL; one that doesn't think critically enough to understand how and why they're TROLLING in the first place.

By this standard definition... the very first Internet Trolls (circa 1980's) were actually the Grammar Police. Breaking topic to start a mess of comprehension and self-importance. I've even made satirical "Bad Grammer Cop" troll posts. Incorrectly correcting "they're / their" online to start a counter-mess. It's rewarding when someone appreciates the satire. And then hilarious when actual Grammar Cops take the bait and demote me... with foul language.

see: IMDB





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Many of the TROLLS will also attack your POSTING STYLE simply because during a DEBATE they'll also have no COUNTER ARGUMENT to offer you ...

so they resort to the use of FALLACIES ...

like the ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM and/or THE RED HERRING in an IMMATURE EFFORT to try to discredit what you've said.

In other words, they've also LOST the DEBATE with you once they resort to using these FALLACIES where they attack you or your posting style.

But in their feeble little minds they also think they've been very clever and have WON the DEBATE by their silly efforts to change the subject.




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Often the Red Herring was there was an actual debate to be had. Most people just want to see-themselves-on-TV(Internet).

I never enter a debate until I know the framework of said debate. Too often, I'm insulted right out of the gate for trying to establish a mutual framework.

There certainly is a lack of critical thinking in our modern times, and it has very little to do with the Internet. Show a photo of a reversed "N" painted on a curb and ask people what happened? Many will tell you the painter screwed up and/or is stupid. But critical thinking confirms that not only was the stencil upside-down, it was intentionally done to invoke foolish assumptions based on the intrinsic value of "N"--and therefore, not a mistake(no relation to "N") or stupidity.






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The lack of being able to think critically probably comes from a variety of issues ...

such as the way kids in the USA are taught to TAKE TESTS now so their teachers can get a pay raise or keep from getting fired.

So the educational system is to partly blame.

But MULTI TASKING is also another issue ...

where you've got kids constantly TEXTING on their cell phones ...

while they also try to drive at the same time, etc.

So MULTI TASKING can not only be DANGEROUS, but it's also turning people into IDIOTS due to the way they don't have attention spans long enough to concentrate anymore.

While at the EYE DOC some IDIOT also stands there SPEAKING to someone VERY LOUDLY on his cell phone, and even though a woman who was trying to read told him this he was so DISTRACTED he didn't even HEAR her or what she said to him.

So people with CELL PHONES are also like the kind of HOMELESS people who go around talking to other people who AREN'T there.

There may be another person on the other end of the CELL PHONE, but they still AREN'T THERE to the other people who ARE THERE and are being DISTURBED by the other CLUELESS IDIOTS who have NO MANNERS or sense enough to know OTHER PEOPLE don't wish to hear them YAKKING AWAY at someone else over something that's most often also something STUPID and TRIVAL.

So the lack of not thinking CRITICALLY also extends to having a LACK of COMMON SENSE and GOOD MANNERS as well.


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I'd like PARENTS to stop blaming/scape-goating and actually spend some time teaching their kids to think clearly. Rationally. Calmly.

Every single BAD DRIVER is the result of bad parenting.




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If a MULTI TASKING PARENT can't think clearly, then it's not very likely they'd be able to teach their kid to do what they themselves cannot.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2014/10/08/multitasking-damages-your-brain-and-career-new-studies-suggest/



Multitasking Damages Your Brain And Career, New Studies Suggest

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Interesting link. Thank you.






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You're welcome.

First time I read about it a SHRINK had an article where they said it's a DISORDER now and that people with it exhibit signs similar to those of ADHD (Hyperactivity Disorder).

Kinda CREEPY to think that we could end up with lots of BRAIN DAMAGED people due to the use of our technology isn't it???





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I reserve some investigative wiggle-room for people whom simply wired differently than some or most. I have only ever needed 6 hours of sleep. But some of my colleagues need 9+.

Variables.






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Here's another interesting article where it also stresses the way genetics may play a role in the matter:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/27/media-multitasking-brain-matter-gray-matter_n_5890238.html

The way we are interacting with the media might be affecting how we think, and this link seems to have a biological basis,” wrote lead researcher Kep Kee Loh of Singapore's Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School in an email to The Huffington Post. "Given that this study was cross-sectional in nature ... we are unable to say if smaller [brain regions] lead to more media multitasking or more media multitasking is causing smaller [brain regions].”

Loh recruited 75 healthy adults who were also relatively computer literate and media savvy to participate in the study. They were asked to take a survey to measure how often they spent time multitasking between different kinds of media. Then, they underwent brain scans with an MRI machine. Those who reported heavier media multitasking had less brain matter in the the anterior cingulate cortex (ACC) region of the brain, which is believed to play an important role in helping people regulate their emotions -- especially negative ones.

“Reduced ACC gray matter volumes and activations have been implicated in several socio-emotional disorders such as depression, OCD [and] addictive disorders,” explained Loh. "They have also been associated with poorer cognitive abilities.”


What's interesting about this study is the way it may also be connected to the behavior of TROLLS we encounter who exhibit NEGATIVE EMOTIONS???


While Loh’s study doesn’t establish whether media multitasking caused diminished brain matter, or if people with smaller ACCs are more prone to multitasking, Loh notes that previous studies have linked media multitasking to a diminished ability to control emotions and thoughts, and smaller ACC regions have also been linked to that same inability. Still, more research is needed to establish clear links between all three things: media multitasking, smaller ACC regions and lack of emotional and cognitive control.

Meanwhile, study co-author Ryota Kanai is taking on a research project about how computer exposure might change brain structure.


So they're also not sure yet which comes first ...

the chicken or the egg ...

AND ...


As you can see The PLOT continues to thicken ...



While the findings aren’t enough to conclude that media multitasking causes brain shrinkage, there’s plenty of other evidence out there that should make you consider limiting yourself to one screen (or one tab) at a time.

Psychologist and author Guy Winch, Ph.D., argues that a more accurate term for multitasking would be “task switching,” because you’re going to and from one action to another instead of truly doing two things at once, which wastes energy on transitions and slows you down

Loh notes in the study that media multitasking is also linked with poorer health, including depression, social anxiety and negative well-being.



So there's also a debate about calling it TASK SWITCHING instead of MULTI TASKING.

And since we also can't give our FULL ATTENTIONS to doing 2 things AT THE SAME TIME, Task Swithching also seems to be a better description???

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What's interesting about this study is the way it may also be connected to the behavior of TROLLS we encounter who exhibit NEGATIVE EMOTIONS???


I think this line of logic is dangerous. The troll(s) aren't exhibiting any emotion. That's the entire point of trolling; manufacturing extrinsic emotion(s).

Using a completely devalued emotional state, akin to meditation, troll(s) are typically a lot happier than their trophies (those whom take bait). The trophies have no choice to view the activities through an emotional-charged lens. But to assign these same emotions, or any at all, to everyone who offends you online is completely illogical.

We must master our own emotions long before our feelings get hurt;

We must remember to clean our lenses;

We must drink more water;





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And since we also can't give our FULL ATTENTIONS to doing 2 things AT THE SAME TIME, Task Swithching also seems to be a better description???


I've some heady experiences with induced REM sleep via sleep-aids and CPAPs pushing creative blends of oxygen. This really amped up my lucid dreamstates. Once interesting point was that I started to witness a feint, overlapping dream separate to the dream I was currently trying to "influence." This required (sub)attention, but the original dream never lost its weight on my mind. It was like watching two televisions at once. I even learned to "influence" both dreams.

Point being; I've seen some remarkable deep-consciousness in multi-layered dreamstates. And no "full attention" in the waking life has ever came close to a feeling of complete attention on multiple wavestates. I think there is even a third flavor of consciousness behind the subconsciousness; and it's tasked with synching up with other (sub)consciousnesses.

An intangible hand-shake beyond our spatial dimensions.

tl;dr
We don't know jack about The Mind.





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What you've said about trolls reminds one of the studies they've done on the brains of Psychopaths (who also have no emotions but get their kicks by doing things to others that upset them emotionally)???

The troll(s) aren't exhibiting any emotion. That's the entire point of trolling; manufacturing extrinsic emotion(s).



So are you suggesting there's a connection between the way they behave to that of the psychopathic brain???

They say the REM state takes 90 min to get into, but with a screwed up CIRCANDIAN rhythm, one can easily fall into one in no time at all (even without the help of drugs or other devices to induce it).

Try sleeping 2 or 3 hrs here, waking up for 2 or 3 hrs, going back to sleep for another 3 or 4 hrs, etc. and you'll have no problems at all falling directly into your REM STATE.

And yes, we're definitely MULTI TASKING in our DREAM STATES where it's the job of our SUB CONSCIOUS to make sense of what our CONSCIOUS MIND has experienced.

But in our CONSCIOUS STATE we're hopeless when it comes to being able to do 2 THINGS AT the SAME TIME.

Try to listen to some dialogue on TV at he same time as you hear some on the computer.

There's NO WAY you can remember 2 conversations that take place AT THE SAME TIME if 2 people are also SPEAKING AT THE SAME TIMES.

If they'd PAUSE at INTERVALS where both weren't speaking at the SAME TIME you might be able to pull it off, but that's something that would also need some PRE PLANNING (like if someone were to direct a film or a play).

Anyhow your DREAM STATES and your ability to control them sounds interesting!!!

Not sure if this counts as LUCID DREAMING or not ...

but had a DREAM where people were trying to pick up some HEAVY TURKEYS at a grocery store and put them into their baskets.

Then WOKE UP enough to realize this was connected to the situation where a 27 lb bucket of kitty litter got stuck in the tiny basket and 2 others who worked at the grocery store had to come out to the parking lot to help get it out of the basket.

Usually they also have a shelf in the back where one can sit the litter but that one had a missing shelf.

Anyway, would this count as having had a LUCID DREAM when one is also CONSCIOUS enough to realize the reason why one was dreaming about others having trouble lifting HEAVY TURKEY'S into their baskets???

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Yes, obviously some trolls/bullies are psychopathic. But as usual, it's unwise to assume all cases of trolling/bullying are the same. I've known doctors
(my uncle; some of his friends) that occasionally rip into people anonymously online for no other reason than to "not think" about life for a while.

I forget the name, but there's a condition for this... wherein a healer-type, like a doctor or firefighter, spends so much time fixing/saving others that they lash out and have to hurt/displease others from time-to-time. Not entirely unlike "natural balance."

re: dreams

Dreams of lifting things have all sorts of established meanings and triggers. I think it's powerful display of progress to wrestle gravity. It might be our oldest "dream."







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A quick glance at someone's posting history can reveal whether or not someone makes a habit of being nasty to others or if lashing out at them is an ongoing pattern or not.

Many times the TROLL is also an ALTER EGO of someone else or a SOCK PUPPET account that the person isn't worried about getting deleted.

As for the lifting ...

that was most likely a result of the stuck bucket of kitty litter situation.

Also use to dream of floating around inside of a see through bubble about 3 or 4 feet off the ground until someone explained how that was a result of having been inside of the womb.

Ever have a dream like that??? Perhaps that would also be our OLDEST DREAM???

Anyhow, does the grocery store dream count as a LUCID DREAM since I also realized the reason why I dreamed it???



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Not exactly. That sounds like the mind making connections after the fact.

Lucid dreaming is confirmed when you actively seek out a mirror in your dreamstate so as to establish identity. How do you know you're even the star of your dream?

Mirror-quest is one of the first exercises in learning to have lucid dreams. Granted the most basic definition of lucid means "knowing it's a dream," but in some dreams this is more OBVIOUS than others. I stand by lucid meaning that [through your actions] you've confirmed agency in said dream. Control.

Finding the mirror is critical. Who's face will you see? Are you a vampire in your dream? Finding a mirror is critical confirmation.

Caveat: you will soon have dreams/nightmares about a world devoid of mirrors (failed quest). Don't be unsettled by this.




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Have you ever heard this expression:

EVERYONE in your dream IS YOU
???

So why would one need a MIRROR to find yourself IF this is true???

And since the other shoppers in my dream were also having the same problems trying to pick up the TURKEY'S and load them into their shopping carts this also seems like it MIGHT BE TRUE.

At one point when one of them fell onto the floor I also recall saying how he TURKEY WEIGHS the same as I did.

So even the TURKEY'S must have been me????



But that part was also pretty CREEPY to realize all one was is a HUNK of DEAD MEAT???



There was also this other MYSTERY Bag of something sitting there as well.

Anyhow, not finding any MIRRORS would probably not freak me out that much because was watching HORROR FILMS since grade school and DRACULA was also my favorite MONSTER.

Have you see MAYA DEREN'S MESHES of the AFTERNOON???

There's a PHANTOM in her DREAM STATE who is also a MIRROR.

The film is also only about 15 min long so check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSY0TA-ttMA

There's also another film called AT LAND where she chases a WHITE PAWN CHESS PIECE.



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Yes, Im familiar with that phrase. Which is why I was looking for mirrors in the first place...

In waking life, all mirrors contain your likeness

In dreaming life, all mirrors contain your likeness. That is until you find one and a stranger's face is seen. Rings of Schrodinger's Logic Experiments, just a bit. In the dreamstate, a mirror cannot reflect anything until it's observed and even then, the act of observing it changes the results (unlike waking-life mirrors that follow mundane rules*).


(* Mundane Rules as opposed to Quantum Strangeness Rules.)






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So do you think it's possible we're in a QUANTUM STATE whenever we're in our DREAM STATE???

Maybe that could also help to explain how we can do more than ONE TASK whenever we're in that state, which is also something that we can't do whenever we're in a conscious state???

They also say our CONSCIOUS MIND is like an ICEBERB with only about 1/3 of it being visible to us, whereas the UNCONSCIOUS MIND has about 2/3 of it SUBMERGED and HIDDEN from us.

So it's also kinda like the case is with the DARK MATTER, which they also say makes up about 4/5ths of the UNIVERSE and is also HIDDEN from us and can't be seen by us???

And the act of observing also changes the results of the DOUBLE SLIT EXPERIMENTS as well (which also don't take place in a DREAM STATE).

Did you watch MESHES of the AFTERNOON???

Seeing 3 COPIES of herself sitting there at the table is also like the QUANTUM PARTICLES that can be in more than one place AT THE SAME TIME.

In AT LAND you also see many more than just 3 COPIES of MAYA, meaning she's definitely acting like she's in a QUANTUM STATE of BEING in that film.




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So do you think it's possible we're in a QUANTUM STATE whenever we're in our DREAM STATE???


I believe we're always in a quantum state of existence. It's the overwhelming "realness" of the macroscopic world surrounding our bodies that make it seem as if only the tangible is of importance to the immediate mind.

Sensory Deprivation confirms this.


Maybe that could also help to explain how we can do more than ONE TASK whenever we're in that state, which is also something that we can't do whenever we're in a conscious state???


Being unaware of routine mental tasks (e.g. like breathing or pumping blood) seems to be this gray area you're avoiding. Are these only REAL tasks because you thought to focus attention on them? Or are they always real and thereby we're all multi-tasking at all times?


Did you watch MESHES of the AFTERNOON???

Seeing 3 COPIES of herself sitting there at the table is also like the QUANTUM PARTICLES that can be in more than one place AT THE SAME TIME.

In AT LAND you also see many more than just 3 COPIES of MAYA, meaning she's definitely acting like she's in a QUANTUM STATE of BEING in that film.


Yes, it's beautiful. At the Quantum State / Planck Constant, "at the same time" is the same as "in the same place." Which is what's holding Unification Theory back--as the math doesn't hold up (yet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlJNsRZ4WxI




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Sensory Deprivation leads to MADNESS which is a whole other ball park.

Not sure the primitive part of the brain stem that does the breathing and beating of our heart should count as being part of the CONSCIOUSNESS or not.

Babies have been born with nothing but that part of the brain, for example.

We also have MACHINES that can breath for us when we're BRAIN DEAD.

So it's not that this is AVOIDED as much as it doesn't appear to be a part of the other parts of our brain where CONSCIOUSNESS or the SUB CONSCIOUSNESS resides.

Your youtube link also talks about EXCELLERATION and how that's what enables the one twin to NOT AGE whereas the other one does. But not sure how this video ties in with being in the SAME PLACE at THE SAME TIME.

IF you used WARP SPEED to travel there and back again, then maybe that would also keep you in the SAME PLACE, but WARPING SPACE/TIME would also mean you'd end up in a different PLACE, even though you'd technically also remain in the same spot as SPACE/TIME WARPS around you.




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EXCELLERATION relative to previous spatial/temporal determinate states.

In the case of the double-slit; photons might not be moving at all. Ever. Information is moving, that much is true. But that information is what is breaking all our maths.







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But the EXCELLERATION also means you'd take on so much MASS at the SPEED of LIGHT that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to travel???

Isn't there also the issue of if the photos are WAVES or PARTICLES???

And in one WORMHOLE eppy they also demonstrate the reason why they may be BOTH a PARTICLE and a WAVE???

And they show you a particle that travels inside of a set of waves???

It's still also pretty SPOOKY the way that they act differently depending upon whether or not they're being OBSERVED or not.

Still another question is can it really be REM SLEEP IF you're AWARE of what you're dreaming???

Because isn't the REM STATE also suppose to be the one where one is NOT AWARE???

So IF you're AWARE of what's happening in that state (LUCID DREAMING), then would it really be right to refer to it as being a REM STATE???

So maybe it should also be referred to as a LUCID DREAM STATE instead of as a REM STATE (same way as TASK SWITCHING is a better way to describe MULTITASKING)???

Because if the MAIN PURPOSE of the REM STATE is to transfer and PROCESS stuff that comes from the CONSCIOUS MIND into the SUB CONSCIOUS MIND, then how can one accomplish that if one is LUCID or still in a partly CONSCIOUS STATE of mind???





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http://siivola.org/monte/papers_grouped/copyrighted/Dreams/Dreaming_Consciousness.htm


Nonlocality and its implications for connectedness and psi effects have also been posited as a feature common to dreaming and quantum mechanics.

Non‑Locality

We do strange things with time and space while dreaming. They don't disappear from the picture, but instead are made use of for whatever metaphorical meaning they convey. With regard to time, we seem suspended in a kind of immediacy that condenses present and past and anticipates the future. That immediacy may be looked upon as a kind of subjective nonlocality.

Like physical light (energy) and elementary particles (mass), consciousness (information) enjoys a wave/particle duality which allows it to circumvent and penetrate barriers, and to resonate with other consciousnesses and with appropriate aspects of its environment. Thereby it can both acquire and insert information, both objective and subjective, from and to its resonant partners. (p. 13)



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I have made connections with a presence while finding a mirror in a lucid dream. The dream-face in the mirror isn't mine, it's a stranger. As I ponder where this "information" is coming from... it speaks, "Wake up."





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Did seeing this unfamiliar face frighten you???

Since a part of us gets formed by our parents or other caregivers who raise us (the SUPEREGO), perhaps this is the presence that you see as being a stranger in your dream???

Maybe they've also taught you something that you don't agree with anymore and want to change your opinion??? But you also feel conflicted about doing so???

Because IF EVERYONE in your DREAM IS YOU, then theoretically the stranger that you see should still also be YOU???

Or perhaps what they say in one WORMHOLE EPPY could be true and we're all some kind of an ADVANCED SIMS GAME that's been created for the amusement of someone else???

And maybe that's why you see the face of a stranger???

Maybe you've seen the face of your SIMS CREATOR???

And maybe it tells you to WAKE UP because it doesn't want you to know who it is which would also prevent it from continuing to use you for it's amusement if you realized this is what's happening???



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Interesting questions. It's funny, but I'm only fearful in dreams where I don't know I'm dreaming. Once I'm lucid, it's like watching kittens rough-house (e.g. not scary).

I have a much simpler, perhaps techie-idealist, theory...

The subconscious has an IP in a dreamscape(reality) that is not entirely unlike the Internet. It's not just the collective subconscious memories of all humans; all time... It's a real-time network in a higher(lower?) dimension.

I'm often very aware that I'm in someone else's dream. I can't explain it, but I often feel the "sync," and it's related to finding the mirror.

Or my mind/sub-mind is playing a wonderful trick.



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Sounds like you're talking about SIMULTANESOUS DREAMING:

http://www.netplaces.com/psychic/psychic-work-in-your-sleep/simultaneous-dreaming.htm

A dream experienced simultaneously between two or more people is known as a shared dream. Some shared dreams are also prophetic, and they signal a world event to come. These dreams may happen within a short time span, often only a few days before the event actually happens. Other shared dreams are simpler — they may be something that you share with a friend. Later, both of you realize that you had the same dream.

Past-life dreams may be shared as well, often by members of the same family. These dreams can go unnoted for years, unless someone brings up the subject for discussion. One couple found they both had the same recurring dream of drowning. They eventually discovered that their son had been having the same dream.


So probably the thing you need to do is to ask this UNFAMILIAR FACE that you see WHO ARE YOU??? the next time that you see it???

Had a dream where I stop by someone's house ... while planning to take a trip elsewhere ... (no one seemed to be home) ... and while going through their kitchen cabinets looking for some snacks to take along for the trip ... found all kinds of chocolate chip cookies, candy, etc. and was dumping them into a bag or something.

Maybe HALLOWEEN coming up soon was the inspiration for the KITCHEN RAID where all of these YUMMY TREATS were found???


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Have you ever seen LOST HIGHWAY??? Here's a SPOOKY 2 MIN CLIP from it where a guy asks another one WHO ARE YOU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjsmEkhpYN0

The song that you hear playing in the background is called SPOOKY. It's originally a 60's song by the CLASSICS 4 about a guy dating a SPOOKY girl that he proposes to on HALLOWEEN.

In the cool of the evening when everything is getting kinda groovy,
I call you up and ask you if you'd like to go with me and see a movie ...



Anyhow, maybe this MYSTERY FACE that you see in your dream will also LAUGH at you the same way as this other MYSTERY MAN does in LOST HIGHWAY after you ask it WHO IT IS???



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So probably the thing you need to do is to ask this UNFAMILIAR FACE that you see WHO ARE YOU??? the next time that you see it???


There's the rub. As soon as I find the mirror and it isn't my "face" reflected, I lose control of my actions. BUT not my lucidity. I'm aware I'm dreaming, and I'm aware of the "information" regarding a stranger's face... but I can no longer control the pattern/outcome of further information. It's like the feeling of presence/handshake(modem) that I mentioned earlier.

So as I watch, passively, it's akin to the double-slit experiment: you cannot know you're not in YOUR dream until you observe yourself not being in said dream (e.g. many times it's my face in the mirror and I retain control of said dream).

The electrons are never where they're supposed to be. It was actually in one of these "foreign" dreamstates that I recall hearing "light doesn't move; it's a trick of our limited perception." I quickly googled and found:

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2005-02/1107550404.Ph.r.html





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Thanks for the link!!! Yeah, that's what immediately POPS into mind even before getting to the part where Brian (from the PBS special) gets mentioned, was IF LIGHT has NO MASS then why does it get SUCKED INTO a BLACK HOLE???

But there's also something else that makes me suspect something about the nature of LIGHT ...

which is an experience similar to a DREAM STATE ...

but also NOT the same as one.

It's also called NDE or a NEAR DEATH EXPerience.

And while watching a WORMHOLE EPPY or one of the other UNIVERSE programs they show a guy riding a bike and what it would look like if one is going the SPEED of LIGHT.

What it looks like is compared to the DOPPLER EFFECT and looks kinda like one is passing through a BLURRY TUNNEL where light blends together. If you've seen the scene in 2001 where BOWMAN exits the space ship and travels in the CAPSULE you'll also better understand what it's like.

Anyhow, this effect is what it was like on the way BACK HERE ... lots of LIGHT and different COLORS FLYING BY ... which must also mean one TRAVELS at the SPEED of LIGHT to get back here again from the other REALM.

But now that you suggest LIGHT doesn't move, that must mean I had MOVED, but the other person who was with me also knows my body remained where it was and had NOT moved???

On the way there it was also INSTANTANEOUS or like switching from one scene to another one in a film, no TUNNEL effect, no COLORED LIGHTS, etc.

So this also makes things that much more confusing as to WHY we'd arrive at this other place INSTANTLY but need to go through some kind of TUNNEL to GET BACK here again to this place???

And that once again makes one wonder about what someone else said in a WORMHOLE EPPY where they suggested we're like SIMS in a SIMS GAME.

And someone else also suggested we've been CREATED by GODS who are our FUTURE SELVES.

So maybe we're also SIMS or copies of our FUTURE SELVES who entertain themselves by watching US who are copies of themselves???

That may also help to explain the reason why YOUR FUTURE SELF refuses to let you figure out who's FACE that is that you keep seeing???

Because what happens once you become AWARE that you're like a SIMS that your FUTURE SELF has created to amuse them self???

Is the GAME OVER???

Does that also mean that once you become a SELF AWARE copy, then that also means your FUTURE SELF can no longer play with you the same way anymore, because you'd also no longer be able to be manipulated the same way by it anymore???






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Mind blown.




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Ever see a film called THE 13TH FLOOR???

In the WIKIPEDIA link you'll be given down below it says this:

Jane Fuller explains to Hall the truth:

his world is one of thousands of virtual worlds,

but it is the only one in which one of the occupants has developed a virtual world of its own
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People from the 1990's create some SIMS like copies of themselves IN THEIR OWN IMAGES that inhabit a 1930's WORLD.

Then while JACKED into the mind of the character in the 30 WORLD, the 90 CHARACTER is KILLED in a CAR ACCIDENT.

So the MIND of the 30 CHARACTER ends up inside of the BODY of the 90 character.

And then we also discover the 90'S WORLD has also been created by others who inhabit a 2024 WORLD and that they've also created the 90's CHARACTERS in their OWN IMAGE.

And one of the inhabitants from the 2024 WORLD has also gone NUTS and is getting his kicks by being a SERIAL KILLER of the other beings from the other SIMULATED worlds.

So what the WIFE does is fall in love with the 90 CHARACTER (who also looks just like her SERIAL KILLING husband).

And then her husband also jacks into the 90's WORLD and tries to kill her (while her mind is also still JACKED into the 90'S WORLD).

But a 90's COP kills the 2024 character, which then means the mind of the 90's character ends up inside of the body of the 2024 character ...

thus also giving the WIFE back the UNCORRUPTED MIND of her husband BEFORE he became the SERIAL KILLER.

GREAT STORY.

The ENDING SONG during the CREDITS also goes like this:

ERASE and REWIND ...

I'm CHANGING my MIND
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So BE CAREFUL about messing around with that other being that you keep trying to CONFRONT in your LUCID DREAM!!!



Here's a link where you can see a scene in a MOVIE POSTER ... which is when the 90's character ... who ends up with his MIND inside the body of the 2024 character ... drives out to the DESERT to try and see what's there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Floor


And after he ignores the DETOUR SIGNS on the HIGHWAY, and drives down THE FORBIDDEN ROAD anyhow, what he finds is a COMPUTER GRID rather than a HIGHWAY that leads him to the EAST COAST.


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I have, and it's on my "hated it" list. Along with 'Inception.' (Gah! What a well-polished TURD 'Inception' is... and I love Christopher Nolan films.)




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INCEPTION did SUCK, but LOVED the THIRTEENTH FLOOR!!!

Anyhow, sorry to hear how much you HATED IT, because the IDEA of it is also something that someone explores in one or more of the WORMHOLE eppys.

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I will see it again, for you.




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Watching it again if you didn't like it might not help much ???

The reason why it was mentioned was because of how the IDEA that's put forth in the film seems to tie in well with what someone else in a WORMHOLE Eppy said about how our FUTURE SELVES may be the GODS who created us.

So what happens in the film is like a further illustration of that IDEA ... where the characters from 2024 CREATE the 1990 characters ... who create the 1930's characters.

So the 2024 Characters are the GODS who create the 90's characters, and the 90'S Characters are the GODS who create the 30's characters.

And to the 90's characters the 2024 characters would also be their FUTURE SELVES???

Except for the case where the MIND of the 90's character ends up inhabiting the BODY of the former 2024 SERIAL KILLER who preyed upon victims in the SIMULATED worlds???

In that case the 90's character also becomes his OWN GOD???

So IF you manage to figure out WHO IS this MYSTERY PERSON in your DREAM ...

maybe you could also WAKE UP to find yourself inside of some kind of a FUTURE WORLD or FUTURE TIME???

Isn't that also what you said the VOICE SAID???

Something about WAKING UP???

So what would you do if you did WAKE UP to find yourself inside of some kind of a FUTURE TIME???

If you still have access to imdb, then please also remember to POST a message back to me again to let us know where you are and how you're doing once you get there. Please also let us know what it's like there, and if there's any way that we can also get there and join you.





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Watching it again if you didn't like it might not help much ???


Everything should filter differently the second time. Yes, even 'Inception.' I've seen 'Inception' five times. If only to make sure I can't stomach it.





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One can admire your dedication and the way you've chosen to watch a film you don't like 5 TIMES in order to be sure there's reasons not to like it, but watching it ONCE was enough to convince me there's no reason why watching it again is going to improve my opinion of it.

On the other hand the first time I saw the NEW VERSION of SOLARIS I didn't like it, but the next time I watched it that changed, and now it's also been seen many more times again.

The SOUNDTRACK alone is HYPNOTIC and LULLS one to sleep which wasn't a good thing the first time, but works the next time and the times after that.

Have you seen it??? Either the RUSSIAN VERSION or the NEWER VERSION of it???

Also LOVED the way it explores the idea that we'd be HAPPY to see LOVED ONES who died again. But of course that's not what happens. So it also makes one question the CHRISTIAN version of what happens in their HEAVEN where one is suppose to meet up with one's deceased loved one's again.

Then there's the other line about how we don't really want to find other ALIEN worlds to explore, because what we really want is to FIND or reproduce MIRROR IMAGES of ourselves on other worlds.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307479/quotes



Gibarian: We take off into the cosmos, ready for anything - - solitude, hardship, exhaustion, death. We're proud of outselves. But when you think about it, our enthusiasm's a sham. We don't want other worlds; we want mirrors.

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Gibarian: You think you're dreaming me.
Chris Kelvin: You're not Gibarian.
Gibarian: No? Who am I then?
Chris Kelvin: A puppet.
Gibarian: And you're not? Or maybe you're my puppet. But like all puppets you think you're actually human. It's the puppets dream, being human.

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Snow: (the character who LOVED himself) He attacked me. There I am - somehow, there I am - and I couldn't tell you... couldn't tell you how I'm there or who I am or what's going on. But before I can get to that, what's this over here - coming at me? What... what are you trying to do? Oh, I see, you're trying to kill me. Yeah confuse me. I'll tell you about some confusing. How about bingo, there you are. And, whoop, there's my welcoming committee, and you dropped your knife and this is a good night. And, oh, by the way, uh, after all that, I find out, this, uh... whoever this is... get my first good look in, and it happens to be... I survived the first thirty seconds of this life... whatever you want to call it... by killing someone. And, oh, ah, by killing someone who happens to be me. See most people, I would think most people in this position would be like, "This... Ah, hmm... I don't know." However, this is at least, this is an incredible opportunity. This is a... what if this is a... this is a gift? I'm a gift. Hey.

Gordon: I say we use the Higgs device on him.

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Chris Kelvin: How about you? How are you doing?

Gordon: Depression along with bouts of hypomania and primary insomnia, suggestions of agoraphobia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, shock, fatigue, denial.

Chris Kelvin: None of which is unusual given the circumstances.

Gordon: I know.


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I enjoyed both Solaris().




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xxpo:

We take off into the cosmos, ready for anything - - solitude, hardship, exhaustion, death. We're proud of ourselves. But when you think about it, our enthusiasm's a sham. We don't want other worlds; we want mirrors.



The MYSTERY FACE in the MIRROR of your Dream:

You think you're dreaming me.

rainofwalrus: You're not me.

MYSTERY FACE: No? Who am I then?

rainofwalrus: A puppet.

MYSTERY FACE: And you're not? Or maybe you're my puppet. But like all puppets you think you're actually human. It's the puppets dream, being human.

rainofwalrus: I say we use the Higgs device on you.





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Has it ever occured to you that they might attack your posting style because it genuinely is difficult to read when various words are in all capital letters?
It's not worth the headache for me.

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It's a good question TBH. There are theories that the speed of light was different early in the universe - at least one whole episode of this show is dedicated to this.

There is also evidence that information between 2 particles can be transmitted faster than light, in fact instantaneously over any distance?

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ah yes, quantum something, i've heard. i hear at that level, laws of phsyics and common sense go out the window. supposedly particles blink in and out of existence and the whole thing don't make much sense lol.

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The Universe is incredible.

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