The 'sunset limited'


Because in the end, White still lives a Neo-nihilist, in a world filled with pain and anger and platitudes, and it is largely of his own creation. White was a professor, with a clear intellectual advantage, arguing with someone who believed - not only someone who believed, but was a good person. White won the argument - NOT because his belief was right, but because his words were stronger.

When Black collapses during the final speech - it is out of frustration. He can argue with White - he has the feelings, and the faith, and the goodness. However, because he wasn't as well educated, he doesn't have the WORDS. He lost, because White resorted to his "bag of tricks" - his language.

A sunset - the sun going down, and plunging the world into darkness - is limited. There can only be so many, as White believes, nothing lasts forever. everything dies. The FINAL SHOT, however, is of a sun rise. Sure, they too are limited, but no more so than a sunset. The sun rises because Black carries on. In the end, Black carries on, using what little time and money he has, putting his own life at risk, to help his fellow man. White, with all his words and tricks, leaves to destroy himself. He is worthless because that is what he chooses.

By the way, not that this has ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING, but I'm an atheist. That apparently counts here.

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Typical atheist diatribe...


totally kidding, that was beautifully put.

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I kind of regret coming on here instantly. I keep thinking of new points.

white goes to meet the Sunset Limited
black is greeted by a sunrise.
The opening shot is of the Sunset Limited
The final shot is the sunrise.

give me some time to think about that, and I'm sure I can pull some meaning out of it,

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Way to look a little closer. I am just now on my second viewing and some of the symbols are starting to bubble up. Whole sections of the conversation that went over my head the first time are sinking in.

In my opinion, White was holding out on his 'trick bag' the whole first two-thirds, finally articulating his full despair when he saw Black wearing down with frustration. I have never seen anyone knowingly run off to their own demise with such...satisfaction?

I do believe, in the subtext, White is making a compellingly evil argument. Not evil in the sense of God versus Devil, but in the sense of help versus harm, or growth versus dissolution. In this sense Black represents hope in the things unseen without facts, while White represents despair in all the terrible things one KNOWS to be true.

In the biblical sense a compelling, seductive argument for destruction would be the domain of Satan.

I agree, despite apparently taking a vigorous drubbing, and feeling incredible sadness for his failure to help this one, Black is still staunchly faithful and, yes, the sunrise is the end, not a sunset.


Banish the fear of death from men's hearts and they would not live a day - White

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Banish the fear of death from men's hearts and they would not live a day - White


I think Shakespeare said it best in Hamlet's soliloquy.



Don't trust reality. After all, it's only a collective hunch.

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