buddhism 'wins'...?



Just saw the movie and all through white's last speech i couldn't help but think "this is the essence of buddhism, all the issues and problems he mentions are the very foundation of the buddhist teachings"

Some claims the message in the movie is "Nihilism wins", but seeing white is a tragic figure and obviously not a winner in any way, i do not think that is a fair conclusion.

Closing words of the final speech: "There is only the hope of nothingness and i cling to that hope"

Try look up the definition of Nirvana

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He said, "show me a religion that prepares you for nothingness and I'll join that church," to which I pondered "dude! buddhism! you're a professor how have you not looked into this??"

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Funny, we assume these professors are "smart," so why hasn't he ever bothered to read the Bible either? Rather ignorant man in the spiritual realm, Mr. White.

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Thought the same, but it would be pretty stupid to just join some religion. Besides, buddhism isn't really about "nothingness" either.

Somebody here has been drinking and I'm sad to say it ain't me - Allan Francis Doyle

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I think you actually mean nihilism, not Buddhism. Buddhism has the whole concept of reincarnation...

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I thought of Buddhism too.

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I've only read the play, McCarthy's crushing despair and nihilism still brings unpleasant memories in mind, most of all that he allows White last word, but this is far from the essence of Buddhist thought.

The realization of nothingness, emptiness, transience, these all happen in this life. Nirvana is a state of mind not an afterlife and the Buddha didn't promise it as a reward. Beings who leave this world in suffering (like a man who takes his own life) return to it, to struggle for another lifetime, until they're set free. This may appear a moral lesson of mythical quality, but it's an abstraction. Peace of the soul is possible in this world, not a next one, the task is to achieve it not demand it at the end of the counter.

If nothing else, Buddhists don't hope for nothingness, they become aware of it, and in doing so they're set free. Look up at the photo of the Vietnamese monk burning alive to see the essence of that.

Above all, they're set free to become productive, helpful, better human beings. The idea of the boddhisatvas ties in to this, beings who have reached enlightnment yet choose to remain in the cycle of human suffering to assist other beings in their path. Again a myth but it communicates something. White, by contrast, is miserable, selfish, cynical.

McCarthy's sensibilities, as much as I like him as a writer, couldn't be further from Buddhist thought. His god is the vengeful one of Old Testament, or is absent.



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I've only read the play, McCarthy's crushing despair and nihilism still brings unpleasant memories in mind, most of all that he allows White last word, but this is far from the essence of Buddhist thought.

The realization of nothingness, emptiness, transience, these all happen in this life. Nirvana is a state of mind not an afterlife and the Buddha didn't promise it as a reward. Beings who leave this world in suffering (like a man who takes his own life) return to it, to struggle for another lifetime, until they're set free. This may appear a moral lesson of mythical quality, but it's an abstraction. Peace of the soul is possible in this world, not a next one, the task is to achieve it not demand it at the end of the counter.

If nothing else, Buddhists don't hope for nothingness, they become aware of it, and in doing so they're set free. Look up at the photo of the Vietnamese monk burning alive to see the essence of that.

Above all, they're set free to become productive, helpful, better human beings. The idea of the boddhisatvas ties in to this, beings who have reached enlightnment yet choose to remain in the cycle of human suffering to assist other beings in their path. Again a myth but it communicates something. White, by contrast, is miserable, selfish, cynical.

McCarthy's sensibilities, as much as I like him as a writer, couldn't be further from Buddhist thought. His god is the vengeful one of Old Testament, or is absent.



^This.
Que Sera Sera

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>>McCarthy's sensibilities, as much as I like him as a writer, couldn't be further from Buddhist thought. His god is the vengeful one of Old Testament, or is absent.

exactly, according to Wikipedia he grew up a Catholic and allegedly is no longer one.....I don't necessarily believe that. I've read one of his books and picked up on what you're claim.

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I thought of Buddhism too. When TLJ says 'human condition and suffering are one in the same' or whatever the quote was, I immediately thought of buddhism. And as the movie continued it did seem to be a 'christianity vs buddhism' type movie, very akin to 'I heart huckabees', but replacing that movie's nihilism with christianity.



"Did you mean for all those words to come out like that or did they just fall out randomly?"-H.H.

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Yes, I thought of Buddhism too. Life is suffering. Old age, sickness and death. Nirvana is complete extinction. An escape from rebirth and Samsara. This is what White is looking for.

Benn Bell

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I was born in a devout Christian family and went to Christian schools all the way, then I started questioning which no priest could answer. Also Greed within the system that I witness drove me out of the church. I started reading the books on Buddhism and was quite moved by them. However I also witnessed a lot of greed within its system. I still am a Christian and respect Buddhist teaching. But I will not follow church nor temple which are not the place for worship but only a greedy business.

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Agree with you. There is corruption and greed in all of the so called Profound religious institutions. Its so blatantly visible that I keep wondering how/why others are not able to see it.

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Nah, paganism - duality. A god for everything and an ultimate apocalypse that paves the way for a new beginning. That wins! A monotheist just doesn't have the gods to compete with a whole pantheon :D

I didn't realize this film was based on a McCarthy script - this thread has cleared up alot for me. No wonder the nihilist won :D

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