Wow, why the hate?


I love this show. It's entertaining as hell and you get to see the human side of them too. Some of you sound like the type of people who would get arrested on this show. Hating on a cop, just because they are a cop?

The two that are in the drug unit, I give their units a lot of credit for being proactive about crime. They seek it out, which you don't see a lot.

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Yeah, getting paid thousands a month to bust people who are just minding their own business. Nothing more honorable than that.

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Minding their own business you say. Hmmm, that is interesting. Especially considering last night's episode where Andrea busted that 19 year old who was hanging with the 3 underage girls. Yes, clearly his behavior had no effect on anyone else but himself (as is always the case). Good call.

I'm not a prude or anything, but you pro-legalization people are f-cking freaks. You ignore common sense and rationale all for the sake of your desire for your little utopia. I can even say I wouldn't be upset if pot was legalized. I wouldn't put one one bit of fuss.

But I get a kick out of how you act like no one is affected by any of these drug or prostitution related crimes. You are absolutely right, hard drugs and prostitution are not detrimental to the community at all. In fact, I believe I'd like to move where they film this show because there's clearly nothing wrong with the area. It's a virtual paradise.

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Why the hate? These cops leech 6 figure salaries from the taxpayer. I live in Broward county, its not as dangerous as these cops try to make it. This is clearly fear mongering. If the cops would investigate violent crimes instead of victim less crime like the homeless guy laid out in the alley high. I havent heard one comment supporting pro-legalization. You can't come up with a good reason for these cops to beat up addicts so you start lying. I know broward county cops in plantation, lauderhill, and sunrise that I grew up and went to school with. They failed out of college and decided to scam the taxpayer by being a cop who fights fictional criminals. You have more of a chance of dying on a construction project than dying while being a broward sherrif.

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Why the hate? These cops leech 6 figure salaries from the taxpayer. I live in Broward county, its not as dangerous as these cops try to make it. This is clearly fear mongering. If the cops would investigate violent crimes instead of victim less crime like the homeless guy laid out in the alley high. I havent heard one comment supporting pro-legalization. You can't come up with a good reason for these cops to beat up addicts so you start lying. I know broward county cops in plantation, lauderhill, and sunrise that I grew up and went to school with. They failed out of college and decided to scam the taxpayer by being a cop who fights fictional criminals. You have more of a chance of dying on a construction project than dying while being a broward sherrif.


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Wait, you forgot to mention that cops like to use their clout to get free stuff.

Please, can cops stop arresting drug addicts/dealers? Yes, drugs are illegal, however, it's not as though they're shooting or stabbing anyone to death. They need help, not someone throwing them to the ground, slapping cuffs on them and taking them to jail.


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Maybe you could train to be a cop too, and then you could be making all the money. That is what it is all about right?




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Maybe you could train to be a cop too, and then you could be making all the money. That is what it is all about right?


Good point, nutty. That's the funny thing about all these bellyachers who make the cops out to be some kind of overpaid fat cats who sit around eating donuts and making the occasional token, breezy arrests to meet their daily quotas. It is very easy to sit around on their asses, making witty, sardonic jibes at the cops' expense and cracking wise about how easy and lucrative their jobs are.

Well, for the person in Florida who claimed so much firsthand knowledge about how non-dangerous these neighbourhoods are, and how the cops are all making six figure salaries, my question to you is this: if it is such a brainless, easy, cushy, overpaid job, why don't you go and do it then? I mean, if it is such a sweet job for easy money, I would think you and your "inside track" knowledge would be all over that. Why don't you go bust into armed drug dealers' houses blindly, not knowing what corner they are hiding behind ready to blow your stinking brains out? Why don't you work ten hour plus shifts, graveyard shifts, on Christmas, and put your life on the line each day, when you have kids at home waiting for you to come home to them?

The fact of the matter is, most of these arrests are not just the suburban white collar worker who likes to smoke a harmless joint on the weekends. These are arrests for crack, meth, and all the hard drugs that get people killed, cause them to kill and prostitute themselves, and destroy families and the fabric of society on a daily basis. The stakes and the money are high, and that is why these people are willing to do whatever they have to do to protect the bottom line, and that includes killing drug addicts, dealers, and cops. And do you think that the people who deal, sell, traffic, and manufacture drugs limit their illegal activities only to this one narrow area?

Prostitution, btw, is not a victimless crime either. Anyone who thinks that prostitutes, by and large, are doing this as a profession voluntarily is extremely ignorant. Prostitution is not a profession of first choice, it is a profession of no choice. Women turn to selling their bodies when they have no other options. That is why many regions have set up "John Schools" or "John Diversion" programs, to educate the consumers of sex trade workers the kind of misery, human suffering, and abuse they are subsidizing. These are women who have been physically and sexually abused, have been thrown out by their parents or run away from an unsafe home when they were still basically children, or who have turned to drugs to self-medicate the pain they have been through in their lives, all of which leads them to prostitution as the only way they can make enough money to survive. All of these crimes are inextricably linked. No, arresting them and putting them through the revolving door of justice will not solve the problem. But these are age-old problems that no one, even the greatest legal minds and social activists have found the solution to yet, so cut the cops some slack. They are doing their job, and dealing with the problem the only way they can, and one of the few, yet ineffectual ways that society has.

Oh, and I must have missed the episode when we saw all these cops living in extravagant mansions because of their lavish civil servant salaries. Ana Murillo lives in a little apartment with her son, as does Andrea Penoyer. They are certainly not living high off the hog. Lastly, there are many types of intelligence: emotional, social, academic, etc. Anyone who derides the intellectual prowess of a police officer has certainly never been in the position of having to use psychological tactics and negotiation skills with suspects, or to provide social outreach to the mentally unbalanced homeless woman camped out on the pastor's front step, as Shelunda did. Why don't you try researching the salaries of your mayor, city councilmen, state representatives, corporate CEO's, and yes, as someone else mentioned, actors and atheletes, all of whom are unequivocally paid quite lucrative salaries, and arguably may or may not work for or entirely deserve them. Don't pick on the hardworking, blue collar public servants who put their lives on the line to keep your streets safe, and don't do so from behind a cushy desk.



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Shanlee:

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I usually don't read the really long messages on here but I'm glad I read yours, I agree with you 100%. Hell as much as I hate cops' egos I respect them and that is really what it comes down to respect. I like this show and I hope they keep it on for a while. Damn marathons, that is how I came to watch and now tivo this show.

Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came today.

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I usually don't read the really long messages on here but I'm glad I read yours, I agree with you 100%. Hell as much as I hate cops' egos I respect them and that is really what it comes down to respect. I like this show and I hope they keep it on for a while. Damn marathons, that is how I came to watch and now tivo this show.


I agree with this sentiment. A number of them DO develop egos and seem to almost goad people into doing something, but to paint them as criminals is wrong. Criminals (and crooked cops/politicians) are the one's destroying communities. Not the one's trying to get drugs off the streets.

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Whoa... Was gonna make a new thread, maybe (there's not been one in years, just watching the re-runs on CBS Reality, cable), but then I got to reading yours... You guys couldn't have been more wrong (most of you, hehe). ;DP

I guess you never had a cop for a neighbor, or you love being judged. They're all sick people, every last one of them, LOL (my uncle, from my mom's side, is a policeman :))

"Getting drugs off the streets" only leads to production of various, new, synthetic drugs & abuse of prescription drugs and pills. Gangs, murders, etc. Prostitution is legal in Vegas, Germany and other places, for a reason. Everything is not black and white, like the police (blue 'n).

Oh and there is no "human side" - all day they deal with liars, thieves, crooks and killers - and worse - you have to be a (really!) special kind of person to come away unaffected (guessing not many).

On today's episode a guy ran into his house, while being chased, to "tell his wife that the police came for him" & she says that he shouldn't worry, how she would've told her (what does he think, what kind of person is she, LOL); When, just, five minutes earlier (in the same episode) a guy gets picked up on the street, outside his house and tells 'em to just tell his wife - and he's told not to worry, how they will tell her... Later (lmao).

They're so, unbelievably, full of it... At the end of the episode, one of the women comments how she's "passionate" for what she does and that she's good at what she does. All I could think of is - keep telling your self that, lolz. The same one got all winded, in this episode, yelling at the guy to get down and whatever... Probably would've had to shoot him, if she didn't have backup - because you don't know, what to do: do you laugh at her, or just slap her and make her head spin... ROTFLMAO. I feel sorry for them, because eventually - for sure - they will have to kill someone, just because they're waving a gun & trying to do a man's job, heh. xD

*2 many things to cover, in such an old thread; gonna click "X" & hit "Post Reply" and see which goes through first. :-$

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Sorry Shanlee, but you and "Quaid" are simply small-minded types who think that the status quo (the current s***y neighborhoods) are the only possibilities of any kind for drug and prostitution use. Wrong.

The reason that violence, disease, and degradation exist in these neighborhoods is because thugs with guns, clubs and fists are allowed to be the ones in charge of sales and distribution, as well as managing the "workers" lifestyles, salaries, and "benefits" such as they are.

Your closed mind little idea of how prostitution works ignores many clean, well-paid, and happy workers who pursue the trade in the Netherlands and Nevada. When real wages and benefits are paid, quality health care is provided, and quality security exists, sex trade workers do quite well. In addition, high-end escorts, who do not work the streets, are flown from city to city, making HUGE money and living lifestyles you could only dream of. Many do not come from "tragic" backgrounds at all. They simply see a relatively easy way to gain a good amount of money for a lot less work than the vast majority of the world's population.

Ask a few million people in China (or other third world work situation) who work in dangerous factories or farms, where they can be killed or get long term terminal health problems if they would rather have a modern home, new car, and big salary for providing "personal" entertainment services.

Of COURSE there are abused, broken people who go into prostitution, they also go into robbery, assault, fraud, abuse of others, and such. But that does NOT mean that all prostitutes come from that background. It is NOT that simple, sorry to say. There are good and bad people, victims and abusers, and such in ALL walks of life. You cannot paint an activity with a tiny little brush dipped in the exclusive community of your choice.

Similarly, there are many sex slaves who are torn from their homes by abusive criminals who offer them their only hope. If they had a well organized system back in their homeland, that managed their wealth and health, they would be better off. Now if you have unspoken religious or social issues with women using their bodies for their own economic benefit, then that is an entirely different discussion and not something for the police to deal with.

The reality is that most women are making social/economic contracts with their bodies all the time, it's just that there is not always cash exchanging hands. If you can't face or recognize that, it's your mistake.

All in all, if lower level drugs and prostitution were legal and commercialized, you would STOP harassing the basically honest and okay people who just want a good time, and you would stop wasting billions of tax payer dollars on useless law enforcement that could be directed at more important issues.

Yes, there would still be ILLEGAL drugs and prostitution, but that would be a small minority of the activity it is now - people will always take the easy/lazy way out, and if you can go to the corner convenience mart and get your entertainment, why would you go to a dark back alley. You wouldn't.

It WILL change. It already is starting to.

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Well, then it's a good thing that I wasn't talking about prostitution in Nevada or the Netherlands. I was talking about 90% of the rest of the world where prostitution IS a desperate, back-alley, last resort option for people who are so strung out and addicted to the various types of drugs you claim are harmless that they have no self-respect or dignity left. Sorry, but I have worked with prostitutes in a professional capacity and done extensive research on prostitution and if you think it's a victimless crime, you are even more "small-minded" than you accuse others of being. I am not against legalization of the trade, but that will still not preclude the fact that women who are entering this as a profession are more often than not doing so not as a voluntary and viable option, but because their socioeconomic circumstances and lack of options and education don't allow them to do anything else. And that is still exploitative, any way you look at it. And if, by referring to women who are using their bodies as currency for "social/economic" contracts where money is not changing hands, you are referring to women who are in relationships with men who make more money than they, well that is not really a valid comparison to street prostitution now is it?

Let me clarify: I am NOT talking about pot, and I am not talking about the suburban white collar folks who like to snort a few lines on the weekends. I am talking about meth, crack and all the other drugs of "poverty" that cause people to kill and get killed. Don't turn your pro-legalization rant on me and Quaid, and twisting our words for your own benefit. If you can't see the danger that these drug dens, dealers, traffickers, and strung out addicts are posing to the innocent citizens in the surrounding neighbourhood, then it is you, my friend, who is blind. Do you think that these drug dealers carry guns because of what nice, pacifist fellows they are? Get real.

Now go smoke some more dope and fry whatever few brain cells you have left that allowed you to come up with that half-baked response to a cogent, well thought out, educated and informed exchange of dialogue. I, for one, have no patience for someone who clearly has not seen firsthand the social ills, exploitation, abuse, and yes, dependence on drugs that is an integral part of the necessary degradation of prostitution that keeps these women powerless and dependent on it for their subsistence.

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Sorry, you're not making any kind of logical arguement, but I salute your spirit if nothing else.

1. You keep bringing up ILLEGAL, UNSAFE, EXPLOITATIVE environments. The PERCENTAGE of bad environments for working prostitutes in the world has nothing to do with QUALITY of said environments. My examples simply show that the occupation CAN be run safely and securely, but unfortunately that quality exists in only a few SMALL areas. The fact that most of the world's prostitutes work in bad conditions PROVES MY POINT - they are treated as slaves and abused. It has nothing to due with the work at hand.

Similarly, much of the mining industry around the world is run in very unsafe, exploitative conditions, but there are countries where the industry is run much safer.

You keep bringing up the FAILURE of the existing systems as an example of why the underlying occupation is bad. That's like saying, "I'm in a burning house, so all houses are bad". Stop bringing up the current failed/bad situations as "bad", we get that. You're not addressing that with the proper controls, the situation could be vastly improved.

2. As far as people in relationships where sex is used as currency in a "social contract" - NO, it may or may not have anything to do with how much money one partner it making. The exchanges involve all kinds of acts for benefits, the point is that simply because actual cash is exchanging hands does not make it any better or worse, again the specific situation of human respect is what makes the difference.

3. Drug dealers carry guns for ONE reason - Money - It has nothing to do with "niceness", "badness", "pacifism", or any other behavioral aspects - where did you get that poor concept from?

Here's a simple little economic lesson for you: If legal stores are selling narcotics at a price lower than the drug dealers, AND those stores are protected by the government (police, courts, even the military), then the drug dealers have NO WAY TO MAKE MONEY. If they can't make money, they have no reason to defend their sales territories, or to take over the territories of other drug dealers - because none of the territories would EXIST. Simple, eh?

I will not stoop to personal insults as you finished your diatribe with, I will simply say that I have never used drugs or prostitution of any kind, yet I can look beyond my personal preferences to address logical, optimized solutions to at least MINIMIZING exploitation, and MAXIMIZING personal return for my fellow citizens, even those who have jobs that you or I may find distasteful.

Until you can let loose your concept of the flaws of the current systems, and look forward to IMPROVED systems, you will never understand the concept of improvement.

You keep spouting off about how bad it is currently for people in the criminal economy. Yeah, we GET IT already. The point is that it is THE MONEY of the criminal economy that gives the leaders of the criminal world to exploit not only their own lower members, but also the rest of us in the non-criminal world.

Good luck on your journey of discovery, if you ever take it.

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The fact that most of the world's prostitutes work in bad conditions PROVES MY POINT - they are treated as slaves and abused. It has nothing to due with the work at hand.


My point, which I mentioned in my earlier post, was this: that even if the sex trade were legalized, outfitted with all sorts of safety nets and benefits, the bottom line is that the vast majority of women who are selling their bodies are doing so because socioeconomically, they don't have the options, money, or education to do anything else. They are most often (I am not referring to paid escorts and high-priced call girls, which anyone knows is the minority of prostitutes) women who have come from economically or socially depressed backgrounds and so have had a strike against them in garnering all the life skills, education, and vocational advantages that more advantaged individuals enjoy. Therefore, while not overtly coerced into prostitution in its most literal sense of the word, they resort to it because they lack the options to do anything less demeaning and exploitative. To imply that most of the women who are selling their bodies to strange men for sex are doing so completely happily, willingly, and voluntarily as a legitimate alternative to regular employment is...........well, wow. Anyone who believes that must also believe in the Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy also.

You keep bringing up the FAILURE of the existing systems as an example of why the underlying occupation is bad. That's like saying, "I'm in a burning house, so all houses are bad". Stop bringing up the current failed/bad situations as "bad", we get that. You're not addressing that with the proper controls, the situation could be vastly improved.


So you are suggesting that a solution to said problem is a complete overhaul of all the values, laws, and mores of modern industrial society? Wow, why didn't anyone ever think of that before? Your thinking is simplistic and deals in generalizations. The specifics of actually executing your fairy tale solution means completely rewriting criminal codes, brainwashing and reprogramming society as a whole's attitudes and values toward laws and their enforcement. Why do you think these laws that you seem to find archaic and value-laden are actually on the books? Because the majority rules in a democracy. Just because you have solved all of society's problems in your little fantasy world and have decided that the current state of criminal codes and law enforcement doesn't suit your fancy, doesn't mean all of society feels that way. These laws were enacted on the strength of majority public support, and repealing them works the same way, I'm sorry to inform you.

Here's a simple little economic lesson for you: If legal stores are selling narcotics at a price lower than the drug dealers, AND those stores are protected by the government (police, courts, even the military), then the drug dealers have NO WAY TO MAKE MONEY. If they can't make money, they have no reason to defend their sales territories, or to take over the territories of other drug dealers - because none of the territories would EXIST. Simple, eh?


Yes, everything seems to be simple in your little dimension. Too bad the real world doesn't work that way. Let me ask you this: do you want this legalized Circle K Heroin Mart across the street from your house? No? Well guess what, neither do I, and neither does anyone else on this board. Everyone is all fine with legalizing drugs, but not in my backyard. They don't want the dirty, jittery junkies with the DT's stumbling across their lawn to get to said "legal drug store." So guess what ends up happening? Exactly what is happening right now: it becomes "ghettoized" and the poorest sector of society ends up having to contend with it in their backyard, because they don't have the same kind of complacency that you do to sit on a message board and idly critique while having to deal with none of the fallout. But I guess you are alright with this sector of society being further marginalized by having their kids exposed to this kind of activity, and sets up the vicious cycle for them to become gang and street crime-involved, because it lets you feel like there's no Big Brother watching.

Good luck on your journey of discovery, if you ever take it.


Read my comments about fairy tales and fantasy worlds above. At least I am smart enough to admit that the greatest thinkers of the last several hundred years have not figured out how to end social blight, so it's not going to get solved on IMDb. Except by you, of course.


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rockmail,

I don't know if you noticed, but an addict's behavior is caused by the need to feed his/her addiction. Not where they get the drugs from. Whether you buy it from a dealer or a corner store, the user still follows an addicts lifestyle.

As far as prostituion goes, I know a lot about the lifestyle. I mean a lot as far as someone who isn't in it. I've seen tons of documentaries on HBO and other various networks. Ever see that show Cat House? Yeah sure, some of them are happy, but a number are a total mess.

I love how guys/gals like you boast about how open-minded or liberal you are, yet the first thing you do when you come across someone you disagree with is starting slinging insults around. Your first sentence was literally an insult

Sorry Shanlee, but you and "Quaid" are simply small-minded types who think that the status quo (the current s***y neighborhoods) are the only possibilities of any kind for drug and prostitution use. Wrong.


That's brilliant. Tell us how smart and open-minded you are by insulting just because we disagree. Pure genius.

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Well, actually, telling someone they are "small-minded" is a comment on their thought process, and not an insult against their person.

However, your comments of "brilliant" and "Pure Genius" is an insult, so I suggest you stop replying until you can figure out what certain phrases uses of terminology mean.

We'll wait.

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That show lasted one season because it turned up three serious lawsuits for the way the women cops conducted themselves, including derogatory comments towards those arrested and at least one instance where the lead woman cop was verbally abusive to a guy who was pulled over who had broken up with another woman cop she knew. Naperville could not fire them (union) but they could deny the film crew access after they showed the true way these cops did not serve the public well.

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Why the hate? These cops leech 6 figure salaries from the taxpayer. I live in Broward county, its not as dangerous as these cops try to make it. This is clearly fear mongering. If the cops would investigate violent crimes instead of victim less crime like the homeless guy laid out in the alley high. I havent heard one comment supporting pro-legalization. You can't come up with a good reason for these cops to beat up addicts so you start lying. I know broward county cops in plantation, lauderhill, and sunrise that I grew up and went to school with. They failed out of college and decided to scam the taxpayer by being a cop who fights fictional criminals. You have more of a chance of dying on a construction project than dying while being a broward sherrif.


1. Cops, literally, put their lives on the line. They SHOULD make a good amount of money. All people who positively affect society should. Cops, firemen, teachers, counselors, social workers, and many other people deserve that money. Not athletes and entertainers or corporate big heads.

2. I love your type. The type who pretends drugs and prostitution are victimless crimes. The proof is in the pudding. All you have to do is look at the people who participate and the communities where such activities are extremely high. Physically, economically, and socially their lives are a mess. Gee, I wonder why that is?

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All in all, if lower level drugs and prostitution were legal and commercialized, you would STOP harassing the basically honest and okay people who just want a good time, and you would stop wasting billions of tax payer dollars on useless law enforcement that could be directed at more important issues.

Yes, there would still be ILLEGAL drugs and prostitution, but that would be a small minority of the activity it is now - people will always take the easy/lazy way out, and if you can go to the corner convenience mart and get your entertainment, why would you go to a dark back alley. You wouldn't.

It WILL change. It already is starting to.

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I only hate this show due to the unproffesionalism some of the female cops show. Talking *beep* about homeless people and so on is not something you would see at the show COPS. But on this its all about laughing at tragic lives.

Also the fake driving shots and so on is annoying.

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I think a lot of people on here are smoking crack. Cops do put their lives on the line yes there are some who are *beep* and have huge egos but isn't that the case for anything? some people are douches and some are not. These cops do their jobs to get drug dealers, rapists, kidnappers etc off the streets. How can anyone say "Oh that drug dealer was just minding his own business" minding his own business? please, selling drugs to kids isn't minding your own business. It's like people want serial killers and rapists and drug addicts on the streets because they hate cops so much.

I don't get it.

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I didn't say all. ALL kinds of people buy drugs, drug aren't limited to a skin color.

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