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no solution provided?

posted 14 years ago by 5h4d0w
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yes, he did speak about how people should start growing food locally (which seems like a good idea) but that was about it.

he also said that people should stick to their families but depending on how you define "family", i wouldn't agree with that. yes, i'd stick with a partner or a true friend whom i'd trust my life with in such a crisis but sure as hell not e.g. my parents or maybe even uncles/aunts.

and one thing i completely don't agree with (and that was also the last thing he mentioned if i'm not mistaken) is that people shouldn't learn how to survive in the wilderness. that they will get shot by others who already had that idea...

first of all... yes, there are many people but just very few who would be even willing to try that. so i doubt there will be any shortage of land to live on. most will just stay in the cities until the supermarkets run out of food and then they'll starve.
or maybe not. but the real issue is: what do you think will happen to society when everything breaks down? he already pointed it out... anger, riots, revolution.
there's really only one option to avoid getting caught up in that (raids, killings and since governments will take drastic measures maybe torture too) and that is to flee civilization when it starts to get ugly. yet, that's the only thing he recommends NOT to do?

[–] tetragrammatoncleric 14 years ago

He suggests against moving out to rural areas unless you're the kind of person that can sustenance farm and live off the land or you won't know what you're doing and will end up dying like a nub.

It's not impossible to live on your own outside of civilization, just difficult. Hell, Dick Proenneke moved out to the Alaskan wilderness to homestead when he was 50. Built himself a cabin with hand tools and an absolute minimum of non-native materials (plastic liner for the roof, some concrete for the stone chimney, and a piece of glass for the window) using nothing but hand-tools and some tools he built himself while out there. He had a guy with a plane bring him a small package of goods from the outside from time to time like coffee and such, but he could live without them.

Lone wolves and like-minded survival groups can make it if they're knowledgeable and resourceful enough. Granted you're probably in bad shape if you end up in a situation where you need modern medical treatment, but that would be the case for anyone in a post-industrial lifestyle.

[–] 5h4d0w 14 years ago

hm yeah i just thought more about possible plans and i suppose it's not really possible to live off the land for more than a week or so without any preparation (meaning already growing vegetables and such). after all, you can only catch so many animals and pluck so many berries in a forest. it's not like those things are filled with edible stuff that provides lots of calories. at least i think that's the case where i live... strolling through the forest, i've hardly ever seen fruit or berries. i guess to really not have to worry about malnutrition, one would have to shoot (or catch or something) a deer or something of similar size every couple of days in addition to finding lots of edible plants/nuts?

[–] xxHammonDEggeRxx 14 years ago

That's the point of the movie, there IS no solution.

[–] TheBeardedWonder 14 years ago

I took it more as: we don't have one YET, but if we continue to work towards one we will. Between the little progress we're making with alternative forms COMBINED (not sure why the doc thinks it's all or nothing with ONE form), and our mental evolution, we could still find an answer.

Depending 100% on hope is never a good idea, but saying there is NO solution is just as silly... but that was just my view of it.

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[–] Faye-9 14 years ago

Try searching The Venus Project...that's the only solution that is proposed that MAY work...but only if ppl quit fighting like dogs, stop hating anyone who doesn't agree with them and just put their heads together, roll up their sleeves, give up their cushy luxury laden life and unite!

[–] kali1900 14 years ago

The venus project is a fantasy in the short term.

For something to get your teeth into now:
I'd actually look up the transition movement, started by Rob Hopkins.
www.transitionus.org is the US hub site.

And get a copy of Robs book, the Transition Handbook. (I think the .pdf can be had for a very small cost)

[–] surface6669 14 years ago

...which is why there's likely NO real point to the movie in the first place...ugh...

[–] xenophile2002 10 years ago

Right. This movie wants us all very, very scared. If there's a solution, even an unlikely one, then we won't be sufficiently scared.

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