And it is a weak one.
I almost took his side when he almost cried.
Very, very one sided view of a depressed man. I gave it 6 only, because such movies make you think.
And by the way. Fed just posted all time record profit. Obviously this guy has no clue about economics and finance.
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One more thing - today the Doomsday clock was moved one minute back. Sorry guys. Armageddon is postponed.
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You're in denial...as he states in the movie. Face the inevitable. I can't believe the interviewer asked him about "human ingenuity" as a solution after all he said. People are not getting the scope of this.
You must be young/naive. He's sounds DEAD ON to me (and countless other pundits).
Why most industrialized (smart?) societies didn't OBVIOUSLY see this coming is beyond me!
GREEDY dumbasses.
I've been saying all along that greed is the major cause of most of our problems. Greed and the attitude "Me me me and the hell with you you you." It started in the 20s and has been slowly becoming the core of our whole existence.
Have you watched Zeitgeist the movie yet? Find it on Youtube. It'll blow you away. Depress you, but it's still a very important film to watch. Capsulizes all the points that brought us to this brink.
Zeitgeist should be banned. It messes people's minds.
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Twang wants zeitgeist banned because "it messes with people's minds". lol.
I'm guessing you watched it, your small brain started to hurt (that's called "thinking") and then you went back to MTV and pron.
just like our lame paper worthless nonbacked money, what exactly is this doomsday clock based on? is there a guy who calls the clock minute hand mover and tells him ok its cool bro move it back 1 minute...it could be at minute 1 and not make a bit of difference to me, we dont get to see the REAL doomsday clock
also id like to know why you would cite the doomsday clock moving back as a source of some sort of merit while you call this 'yet another dooms day movie'
for some reason i think youre the deer in the head light guy on the titanic, as well as the first stage of denial
Your take on the message and the content of this film is a sign of your ignorance, shallow thinking and immaturity.
It's ppl like you who have helped to bring us to the precipice of the collapse of our culture. Ignoring facts, reality and the obvious because you're too weak to face it and help your fellow man come up with a solution puts you in the back of the pack with the wolves nipping at your heels.
You'll be eaten alive first.
The Fed just posted all time record profits?
I can post that I run the 40 in 2 seconds...does that make it so?
The doomsday clock refers specifically to Nuclear threat, what relevancy does it have here ? get a clue.
"Fed just posted all time record profit. Obviously this guy has no clue about economics and finance. "
its pretty obvious YOU have no idea how the FED works. face meet palm.
jesus wept :/
"Fed just posted all time record profit."
The Fed is not setup to "make profits" my friend.
Anyways...I'm watching him speak locally on local govt. access TV right now. This is what he's been saying:
-"more than half of the predictions that he made in this movie have come true, and they will all come true eventually"
-"economic growth is NOT possible with out oil, and there is NO substitutes or replacements for oil"...which is not true at all!
-"around 1890 or so, oil started to be used and the human population soared to 7 billion, and those 5+ billion people ONLY exist because of oil"
-"there are 10 calories of hydrocarbon energy (from oil & natural gas primarily) in every 1 calorie of food consumed in the industrialized world today"
-"it take 30 years to change an energy infrastructure"
-"Peak Oil arrived at the end of 2005"...which is not true.
-he's had no income for about a year
-"human industrial civilization is collapsing, period, and it cannot be reversed"
-"he is right about 80% of the time", and "he's been 'right' for two decades" now
-"the FDIC is insolvent"...which it isn't!
-he has "great respect for Ron Paul", and he thinks that "Ron Paul has the right ideas about money & economics"
-"we have about 45 million unemployed in the U.S. right now"...which isn't true!
-"Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are getting ready to ask for another $150 billion"
-"the U.S. govt. is a 'servant' of the Federal Reserve system, specifically the Federal Reserve Bank of NY"
-he's against fiat currency & fractional reserve banking
-he thinks that militia groups are a "sudden emergence"...which is not true at all as they were around in the 1990s at least!
-"there will be another round of bailouts very soon" in the USA
-"methanol is a net energy loser"
-Saudi Arabia has 25% of the known oil on the planet, and they have passed Peak Oil as well"...which really isn't true as no one knows how much oil Saudi Arabia (or any of the OPEC nations) really has!
-"the world uses 83-84 million barrels of oil/day"
-big states (like CA, OH, MI) will start to not pay into their state pension plans by the end of this year
-the DOW will dip into "the 4000s" by the end of this year
-the entire fishing industry will be destroyed along the East Coast of the USA, and "all of the Gulf coast has been ruined in perpetuity"
-the Federal Reserve can't "print any more money" (something that his buddy Ron Paul keeps saying)...the Fed doesn't print any money, the U.S. Treasury does!
-he's a former LA press secretary of Ross Perot (before "he sold them out") in 1992
-"China is getting ready to drop the Dollar"...which is not true!
-we will "see $2000 gold by the end of this year", but he "doesn't advocate buying gold"...sure, sure!
-oil will spike "to $100/barrel within the next couple of months"
-there will be no more deep water oil exploration after the recent spill in the Gulf of Mexico
-"an attack on Iran is possible now", then France, Japan, China & Venezuela will come to their aid, and then "we'll see $200/barrel oil overnight & the U.S. economy will shut down like a light switch"
-Wall Street is betting against states & local governments through CDOs
-the "'Chinese bubble'" is about to implode" as he claims that there's a huge housing bubble over there as well
-"the 'cliff event' will come no later than the summer of 2010"
-he fully endorses state secessionist movements as he says that states will secede "whether they want to or not"
-he can't pay his own rent in Venice, CA, and he hasn't seen any money from this movie & his speaking engagements yet
-Greece, Romania, Thailand, Spain, Italy, Portugal, the UK, Japan are all going to "go down" soon
-he is planning a website called "collapsenetwork.com" to build a "directory of services & skill sets" for people so that they can "build a lifeboat for the coming collapse of industrial society" & so he can make more money from registration fees...too bad that, under his doomsday scenario, the Internet will collapse right along with his website!
-the CIA has been smuggling & dealing drugs since 1979...which is the REAL REASON why he became famous across the U.S. in the first place!
-his fear of a massive cyber-attack from China is a "6 or 7 right now"
-he feels that we will see "only sporadic & intermittently Internet outages", but "we may only have the Internet for two years"...sure, sure!
-there aren't enough U.S. troops in the USA to enforce martial law but "not everyone should own a gun", and the major West coast ports will be protected by the military
-CA may "split into 3-4 states eventually"
-"we are reverting to a feudal society", and "in a short period of time, living conditions will be back to Victorian society"
-he likes to smoke pot
-he's no longer in favor of building nuclear power plants, and he thinks that "we're long past Peak Uranium"...which isn't true at all!
-he thinks that the "govt. should get out of the way & let us save ourselves"
-he thinks that state governments "should disengage from the federal govt."
-he's "never owned a house in his entire life"
-he thinks that "the faster the system goes down, the better"
Ugh...Peak Oil is real...nothing can change that in my mind...it's simple math, but this guy is basically a wacko & a fear-monger IMHO. We broke through the Malthusian Cycle with the Industrial Revolution.
>-"we have about 45 million unemployed in the U.S. right now"...which isn't true!
You're right. It's actually north of 50 million if you include all the unemployed that the BLS define out of existence.
>-Saudi Arabia has 25% of the known oil on the planet, and they have passed Peak Oil as well"...which really isn't true as no one knows how much oil Saudi Arabia (or any of the OPEC nations) really has!
We know they have less than they claim because a large chunk of world oil is fictitious and only exists on paper as a consequence of the OPEC quota war that took place when OPEC changed their rules to state that member nations could produce commensurate with stated reserves. Balance sheets doubled & tripled overnight with no finds in which to backdate or justify the spurious reserve increases.
>-he's no longer in favor of building nuclear power plants, and he thinks that "we're long past Peak Uranium"...which isn't true at all!
According to Robert Vance of the OECD's Nuclear Energy Agency, the world production rate of uranium peaked in 1980, amounting to 69,683 tons of U3O8 from 22 countries.
There's a common misconception that uranium is plentiful. The world's nuclear plants today eat through some 65,000 tons of uranium each year. Of this, the mining industry supplies about 40,000 tons. The rest comes from secondary sources such as civilian and military stockpiles, reprocessed fuel and re-enriched uranium. Without access to the military stocks, the civilian western uranium stocks are scheduled to be exhausted by 2013.
It's not clear how the shortfall can be made up since nobody seems to know where the mining industry can look for more.
"It's actually north of 50 million if you include all the unemployed that the BLS define out of existence."
LOL...that's sheer nonsense. As of July 2010, the number of unemployed persons in the USA was only 14.6 million.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.faq.htm
"According to Robert Vance of the OECD's Nuclear Energy Agency, the world production rate of uranium peaked in 1980, amounting to 69,683 tons of U3O8 from 22 countries."
LOL...this was NOT due to lack of production capacity. Historically, uranium mines & mills around the world have operated at about 76% of total production capacity, varying within a range of 57-89%. The fact that production has never matched capacity is largely attributable to the uranium industry having to lower output to match demand for primary supply.
"There's a common misconception that uranium is plentiful. The world's nuclear plants today eat through some 65,000 tons of uranium each year. Of this, the mining industry supplies about 40,000 tons. The rest comes from secondary sources such as civilian and military stockpiles, reprocessed fuel and re-enriched uranium. Without access to the military stocks, the civilian western uranium stocks are scheduled to be exhausted by 2013."
Hey, don't get me wrong...I'm no pro-nuclear power person myself. However, even the most pessimistic predictions of future high-grade uranium production state that a peak may occur sometime around 2034-35. The French have already been running into big trouble with finding new sources of nuclear fuel for their many reactors.
>LOL...that's sheer nonsense. As of July 2010, the number of unemployed persons in the USA was only 14.6 million.
Unemployment figures only count people that are currently UI benefits from the government. If you don't qualify because you didn't work enough during the year or your benefits ran our or you otherwise aren't getting a UI check, then you don't count in the figures.
Shadowstats.com maintains a much more accurate unemployment figure that does not engage in such gerrymandering. Incidentally it's significantly higher than the government cares to admit. They also maintain data for inflation in the CPI since the government changed how that was calculated so they could lie about it and not have to pay out as much in Cost of Living Adjustments (COLA) for people receiving government benefits (SS/Disability/etc.)
As for Uranium, this chart sums up the problem:
bit.ly/pOeXwH
"Unemployment figures only count people that are currently UI benefits from the government. If you don't qualify because you didn't work enough during the year or your benefits ran our or you otherwise aren't getting a UI check, then you don't count in the figures."
Wrong. Why you're responding to a post from a full year ago is beyond me, but the U.S. unemployment situation has improved within the last year to around 14 million unemployed (or down to ~9.1%, which is a full point lower than its peak in 2009) in the USA.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Things are getting better in the USA, not worse. The so-called "Great Recession" is literally the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, which took the better part of decade for the USA to recover from. Those in the USA that were expecting a super-rapid recovery from our last recession (like we've experienced after other recessions) were being completely unrealistic.
"Shadowstats.com maintains a much more accurate unemployment figure"
LOL...your buddy John Williams has been talking about "hyper-inflation" for waaaay too long. He's a loon...plain & simple. If you want to believe loony people, then have at it. The Internet is full of them...ugh...
Yeah, you're using the same BLS manipulated statistics that were called out previously.
There is a huge difference between the government's version of unemployment and the actual number of people out of a job that need work and can't acquire any.
"you're using the same BLS manipulated statistics that were called out previously."
Blah, blah, blah...the U.S. unemployment rate is now down to around 8.5% (or around 13 million people), which is less than 1% from where it was when Obama took office in January 2009. Once again, the U.S. economy continues to improve slowly, period end of story.
That number is about to drop precipitously when the next wave of UI recipients runs their benefits out.
They still won't have a job, but since they're not actively drawing UI they won't be considered "unemployed" according to official figures.
U.S. unemployment is now down to only around 8.2% (now less than 13 million people, of which less than 43% of those people are long-term unemployed), and, if you take out the increase in the labor force over time due to population growth, the current unemployment level is basically around the same level as it was when Obama took office in early 2009. U.S. unemployment is down almost two full points since the worst of the recent economic downturn, which was the literally the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression...which took the better part of decade & the start of a World War to fully recover from.
"Is the count of unemployed persons limited to just those people receiving
unemployment insurance benefits?
No; the estimate of unemployment is based on a monthly sample survey of households. All persons who are without jobs and are actively seeking and available to work are included among the unemployed. (People on temporary layoff are included even if they do not actively seek work.) There is no requirement or question relating to unemployment insurance benefits in the monthly survey."
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.faq.htm
Its usually based on pessimism on the future outcome of current trends that these films are made. Soylent Green is my favorite I might add.
1984 though seemed to have got it spot on with totalitarianism. That book was written in 1949 and guess what? North Korea is exactly like that. Here in the UK we've got Big Brother watching us with his 5 million CCTV cameras. Oh yeah its double plus good alright.
1984 is impossible though. THe system is so horrifically insustainable that "the party" would collapse really soon.
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Back to the future! Just few years after I started this thread the economy is recovering and USA is on the road of becoming energy independent and major exporter of oil and gas. Now whose brain is small?
Please, stop watching brain melting movies like this one and Zeitgeist and start actually learning something about the world.
At the end of 2013 the movie Collapse is like a black comedy about major depression.
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We haven't corrected any of the fundamental imbalances that led to the need for unprecedented government market intervention in the first place. In fact, many of the elements have only become worse since then.
All they did was kick the can down the road. Give it time...