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H20 is Better than this lame retcon


Overrated mess

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Agreed.......The first 3 movies aside....I'm struggling to see how this series has lasted so long (it doesn't even have the 'knowing-humour' of the F13 series)
It's the same old, same old.....Michael tracks down people and kills them. The deaths aren't even particularly inventive.....yet, everyone seems to get 'hyped' for each new movie (as if it's going to be any different from the last)
The 2018 movie was a turgid mess (as were those dreadful 'Rob Zombie' reboots)

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EVERYTHING YOU SAID...I FEEL THE OPPOSITE...MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND.

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Fair play (and more power to you) if you enjoy this series.
But *what* exactly are you looking forward to in the upcoming movie?

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IM NOT REALLY...THE "LOOK FORWARD TO" BURNED OUT SOMEWHERE IN MY 20S WITH RESSURECTION....MY FORMULATIVE YEARS WERE SPENT LOVING THE SEQUEL RELEASES THOUGH...OUT OF RESPECT AND NOSTALGIA TO THAT...I CONTINUE TO WATCH THE SEQUELS...THIS WASNT BAD...JUST NOT GREAT.

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people love Michael,
have you been to a horror convention? have any horror movie friends (the kind that wear horror shirts & collect memorabilia)?
fans get hyped because they have so much hope that the movie will actually live up to the Michael Meyers mythos.... usually it does not, but that does not deter fans much from hyping the next one
...these are the same people that watch professional wrestling

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GOOD REPLY...UNTIL YOU WENT JUVENILE WITH THE LAST LINE PUTDOWN.

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I hear what you're saying Legnadibrom.
How hard is it to make a genuinely suspenseful horror film these days? There's loads of different ways you could improve the 'Halloween' franchise....but these movies (and film-makers) are as generic as it gets.
And a further kick in the teeth (for the fans) is that they keep changing the timeline throughout. More than 60% of these sequels are rendered obsolete with every new retcon. I'd rather they took the DTV 'Hellraiser' route and build a 'Halloween' movie around some well-written (unfilmed) thriller script....instead of just putting a guy in a white mask and instruct him to "Stab shit-up" before yelling "ACTION"

Surely the fans deserve better?

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"...these are the same people that watch professional wrestling"

Looooool, I agree with your other posts as lol... I don't get it either..

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It'd be cool if they had Michael talk a little, that would certainly be something different.

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Disagree. I like elements of H20 okay, but it hasn't aged well, IMO. As much as it claims to be "Halloween", it really wants to be "Scream" way more. From the cast, to the setting, to the music, etc., it just can't escape that late '90s Scream feel, and I think that's on purpose. I can almost guarantee that there were some producer(s) there, watching dailies, and being like: "No, Make it more like Scream!" The most Halloween thing about it is that JLC is in it. However, the direction they chose to go with the character doesn't really fit, IMO. She's now the head mistress of a posh private school in California who drinks wine and sleeps with Adam Arkin? That's Laurie Strode? hmm... I think "Halloween" (2018) is a way more compelling representation of who she would be after that night in 1978. I also think that JLC kills it in H(2018), such a good performance. Then there's the LL Cool J thing. I like the character okay, but it still has that trend of the producer insisting that there be a famous rap or R&B star in the movie, which would also carry over into Resurrection and then later with Freddy vs Jason (Kelly Rowland). H20 may also have the worst Halloween atmosphere of any of the Halloween films. The opening does a good job with setting the tone, but after that, it just dies. Next, we can talk about how, starting with Halloween 4, H20 is in line with the rest of the films where the powers that be don't give a fuck about how the mask looks. It's not as bad as the popped edges one from part 5, but it still looks like garbage. Unlike Halloween (2018), where the masks looks phenomenal. The final aspect where Halloween (2018) just blows H20 out of the water is the music. John Carpenter and his son murder it! Just the fact that they got him to come back says a lot.

I'm sorry, but when you watch both of these films and compare them, you can clearly see that David Gordon Green, and his writing partners, are fans. I don't think you can say the same for Steve Miner and H20.

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I agree with you.

I would go even as far to say that I like Resurrection over this reboot. I like Laurie's end in Resurrection better. I like the opening monologue in Resurrection. She's too cocky and sure of herself in this one. She's more sad and authentic in Resurrection.

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I agree H2O is better. It was made before third wave feminism infected the movies and they had to turn every female protagonist into a super-bad asskicking machine. I think H2O just did a much better job overall portraying how Laurie Strode coped with the events of Halloween. She tried to move on and live a normal life, as anyone would, put the events of that night behind her, as anyone would, but still had PTSD and drank a little too much to cope with it, but was otherwise pretty normal -- and when Michael reappeared, she dug down and found that same toughness and determination that enabled her to survive her first encounter with him. In 2018, by contrast, she's blown up every relationship in her life to become a super-prepper obsessed with Michael and the idea that he'll be back -- and of course she's proven right, and she lures Michael into a trap that she's cleverly prepared because she's just so badass.

That said... I don't think either film stands well beside the original. Halloween was a movie that really never should have had a sequel. They never intended one, but the first film made so much money it was inevitable they'd do it. It's a pity, because John Carpenter's original concept was to make the Halloween films an anthology series where each film would tell a completely different, standalone horror story. He tried to return to that concept with Halloween III, but after I and II it was too late to make the concept work, and people wouldn't accept a Halloween movie without Michael Myers.

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Rob Zombie's Halloween is vastly superior to this. This movie is just feminist nonsense.

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