Vampires have been treating humans like cattle for centuries and when we take them out we're the bad guys? I wanted Beckinsale's character dead after the first ten minutes when she killed like the hundreth human. *beep* her, her kid and that piece of *beep* detective.
shareYou shouldn't watch any vampire related entertainment as it makes you mad
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I get what he is saying, but I root for her anyway.
Plus we root for the characters we get to know and care about, she may not always make the right decisions but I feel she strives for the greater good of her kind and that's what we root for.
And Superheroes come to feast, to taste the flesh, not yet deceased
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u mad bro?Little kids(or little in mind) are always amused by this tired cliché.
The fact that some vampires and lycans kill people does not justify the extermination of the entire race as depicted at the start of this film. After all, they are basically humans infected with a virus. They retain their human qualities and are not transformed into mindless beasts with no semblance of humanity left (such as the zombies in 28 Days Later). Exterminating them systematically is genocide pure and simple. Anyone who believes in democracy, fundamental rights and the rule of law would find the systematic slaughter of an entire class of people without any form of due process to be abhorrent. So yes, in this film, the humans clearly are bad guys for perpetrating the worst sorts of crimes against humanity. Selene had little choice but to kill the people she did. They were implicitly involved in the purge (also known as genocide), Selene's imprisonment and experimentation on her. They are the equivalent of guards at a Nazi concentration camp. Selene was merely trying to survive, to find her loved one (Michael) and to protect and rescue her daughter. Her motivations are noble and very human and that is why we empathise with her and root for her. I believe that this is obvious to most people who watched the movie and I'm surprised by your contrasting sentiments which seem to imply a somewhat disturbing world view.
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They are the equivalent of guards at a Nazi concentration camp.
Yes, and because European jews fed on people's blood and regarded gentiles as cattle, your comparison is a good one and not completeley nuts.
But that would be a rumor or legend at best, certainly not everyone actually believed that. However, that vampires and werewolves feast on humans is an undeniable fact, so there is a bit there. lol
shareYes, and because European jews fed on people's blood and regarded gentiles as cattle, your comparison is a good one and not completeley nuts.
every species has the right to defend itself. if a mouse could defend itself against a cat, shouldnt it have the right to kill that cat? if cows ever learned to use machine guns, i certainly wouldnt begrudge them for killing as many humans as they could to save themselves given what WE do to THEM.
this isnt an ideological genocide, its survival of the species, where the 'food' has every right to protect itself by killing its hunters if it has the capability - which humans DO.
the vampires and the lycans arent the victims, they ARE the aggressors, and humans have every right to fight to save themselves from monsters who want to feast on every man woman and child on the freakin planet! what you're talking about is absolute nonsense...
i wonder.
if there was a zombie outbreak, would you defend them and say humans have no right to kill them all off, because doing so would be a little too "nazi'ish" for your sensibilities? ha!
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Your argument is outlandish and diffuse, you need to be more clear. ''If a mouse..'' Essentially, you're saying that if a species has the capacity to exterminate - i.e. defend themselves from their enemy; they should do so. There's no disagreement here. But if you by defending oneself mean killing everyone of the perceived enemy indiscrimenatley, you're twisted.
For example, if human beings living in, say, india, knew that if a lion saw them, the lion would probably attack and kill them. Does that then justify the systematic torture and slaughter of ALL lions? No. It would justify the murder of the particular lion but not the entire species.
Extending to humans: You make a distinction in species but that begs the question of why species, why not races or groups or essentially any medium of identity? So, if one particular group has proclaimed war on another: for example - muslim groups proclaiming war against christians. Are Christians per se allowed to murder any muslims they want to just because of members of their group are aggressors? or vice versa?
Way too much logic for these morons.
shareWrong...lions aren't one up on the food chain than us. Vampires and lycans are very dangerous, can multiply, feed on us. So ya kill them all!! Sorry you'll never get to be one:( maybe you can be "different" in other ways. Humans win
shareNot to be flippant but the Vampires (Selene included) spent hundreds of years systematically exterminating Lycans...so it is hard to feel any sympathy for her.
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shareDude, lol, you have some glaring problems with your logic...
1. "A Democracy" only determines how people get elected to power. It doesn't have anything to do with the quality of right and wrong.
2. "Fundamental Rights" - Where exactly do we get these from? "The Creator" as the founders believed? Who was that? Can you prove it? Basically "Fundamental Rights" are whatever the leaders want and society accepts.
3. "Rule of Law" - You basically just said the same thing twice.
4. Vampires need our blood. Right now they are stealing it under the guise of blood donations to the needy. Exactly what happens if this breaks down?
5. Not all lycans can control themselves. So what am I suppose to do? Kill the ones that can't and expect the ones who can to leave me alone?
Due process?
You really think they would allow their cattle to stand them before a judge?
They think little of us, they barely recognize us as sentient beings. If they have very little regard for people they once comingled, lived with, and were - you expect humans to go out of their way for people who have been oppressing and eating them for 1000 years?
The Walking Dead zombies are also a particular class of people, do you agree with Lizzie's (from TWD) POV? I hope not.
If they were harmless people who co-lived and cooperated with us, then yes, they deserve our empathy, but if they ate us to survive, it's simply US vs THEM.
The only reason Vampires haven't wiped Humans off the face of the earth is because we are their food. IMO it is more INHUMANE not to protect ourselves from being eaten by diseased people.
Selene's imprisonment & experimentation were by Lycans. It's funny, that when Humans & Lycans fight back against the vampires in the Underworld universe, it's 'the worst sorts of crimes against humanity', 'nazism', and 'abhorrent' BUT when vampires EAT people for food and enslave Lycans it's what? Romantic? Sweet? They're still the good guys? LOL!
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Are you seriously comparing vampires and lycans, who are essentially humans with a genetic mutation, to cows?? Vampires and lycans who are capable of all the human emotions normal humans are capable of including love and grief at the loss of a loved on? You sound like a Nazi who compared the Jews to animals to justify exterminating them. Unless you're joking, that comparison is disgusting.
shareA Nazi? Really? You're missing the point and you're pulling out only what you want to hear. However, since you brought up Nazis, we can use them to further explain. Imagine if after WWII and the attempted extermination of Jews, turmoil continued to bubble and eventually, a war broke out between the two. If a German person completely unrelated to the Nazi party was captured and imprisoned and when they tried to escape, they killed the people in their way, would you say that person deserves to die because of what his people did? No. And on the other hand, would you say that the ones who were imprisoning that person deserved to die? No. IN that situation, it wouldn't be good vs. evil. It's simply a reaction for their own survival.
In the Movie, it's a similar position. However, I'n way too tired to write why. I'll do it tomorrow.
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Good thing this is just a movie and not based on real life! Or is it...?!?!?!?!?!?! I call shenanigans.
shareyep, i was rooting for humans too. and well, i suppose they won.
but this series like resident evil is going too far with these same characters/plots, really what we get with underworld and resident evil is another mediocore film every 3 years with basically everything the same.
in both, change the cast/plot already, its really stale now.
seriously, are we really supposed to now just wait for 2015 to get another 85 min selena story, which most likely also ends without anykind of resolution so that they can repeat the same recipe all over again in 2018.
should have just made trilogy, with new cast/story/trilogy after that.
to keep things fresh.
and i assume humans were more open to genocice with vamps/lycans cause they feared how powerfull they were.
and didnt figure out any way to control neither species, which both also wanted more power.
regardless, i support us.
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The fact that anyone supports genocide is absolutely disgusting to me for the reasons I stated in my earlier post. The vampires were previously living in their mansion drinking artificial blood. Wiping out everyone with the vampire mutation is a crime against humanity.
sharewell, the thing is, im not thinking it seriously, but in a movie like this, yes, i support the humans, just like in dexter i support the serial killer, lol.
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So in Schindler's List you supported the Nazis?
shareheh, with 'in a movie like this' phrase i ment fantasy.
inDdexter, dexter.
inUnderworld, humans.
inChindlers List, non nazies.
in upcoming fantasy themed Hardkor 44, maybe nazies.
its ok to root for JASON, but not for any real life spree killers, u see, lol!
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So you're saying as long as it's a fictional genocide, then it's cool to root for those committing the genocide? In X-Men 2, did you root for General Stryker who tried to kill every single mutant on the planet?
sharein x men i didnt really care who wins. but in independence day i rooted aliens, as i did humans in avatar, predators in predator movies.
"in upcoming fantasy themed Hardkor 44, maybe nazies"
as i said MAYBE.
in fictional stories i may support the character/faction which for whatever reason intrested me most. if, if the story isnt emotionally engaging.
humans vs lycans vs vamps, i liked humans most, woulve liked to see more their side of the story and fight scenes like in the beginning involving humans.
vamp vs lycan fights were a bit boring side for me.
like in JASON, hes the baddie, but whose not rooting him, really, the teenagers then, lol.
or spartacus, batiatus is bast*rd, but i like him.
if it doesnt emotionally engage me, i go for the ones which are most entertaining.
but i wouldnt root for the child rapist/murderer in the green mile,
the grazy religous woman in the mist, satan in exorcist, cause they were emotionally engaging stories for me with well made serious tone.
as i said im not thinking underword seriously, anymore than freddy movies, in which i dont have hard time rooting for freddy, child murderer/torturer/rapist, as i dont have problems being on humans side in underworld.
maybe i would think otherwise if the story/writing wouldnt feel so stale for me.
im not saying its cool, just me, lol.
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You sound like a complete liberal hippy. Trust me, if the case was so and vampires existed. I am sure most of them would gladly drink your blood if they got the chance. How's that for a crime against humanity?
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