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Bush 2s lies have long been exposed, but the lies and ineptitudes from the last sixty five years is staggering. It doesn't even get into how we've been sold out by Congress to the highest bidder/contributor.

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It's all about Big Business, the Rich, and what they will do to keep what they have stolen.

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"you are a disgusting hypocrite

you don't give a *beep* about people murdered in iraq
not to mention people tortured

and you are all of a sudden crying over being sold out

excuse me if my heart doesn't bleed for you"

No one asked your heart to bleed for anybody Dbag. You don't know anything about my opinions about Iraq or any other country, torture or any other thing so try not to fall your high horse. I am also not "suddenly crying" over anything. I was merely commenting on the staggering amount of corruption and ineptitude I saw on this show. So sit back and eat your GMO foods in the lack of privacy of your own home/trailer.

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You do realise these heathens indulge in pastimes such as sending their their progeny to blow themselves up...

What percentage do this? To blanket an entire race is absurd beyond expression.

And then consider what the cause is of such desperate and perverse actions. It's not to justify anything, but when we here in America who comparatively have it so good, can produce the likes of a Timothy McVeigh, et al, it's not hard to at least understand how a small percentage of people in a genuinely dire environment like Palestine act in such desperate/perverse ways.

There's a direct correlation of suicide bombers and occupied lands.

It's the same phenomenon that was on display in the American Revolution where the weaker participant resorted to "terrorist" tactics and behaviors such as "hit and run" attacks and sneak attacks, etc. To the British the Americans were animals for not fighting man to man on a field.

You see it as well in the Irish battle for independence and Algiers, etc.

It's nothing to do with being Arabs. To suggest as much is to misunderstand human behavior entirely.

And whatever failings the leaders of these countries have does not absolve the actions of Western powers. Let's not forget the US was in bed with Saddam prior to making him out to be our arch nemesis.

He was always a bad guy, we only framed him as such when convenient.





"That's what a gym teacher once told me."

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Again, I ask the percentage of Muslims who've carried out suicide attacks?

Religious fanaticism is a symptom not a cause. There is a reason the US was founded by religious puritans and now (despite the rhetoric) we are a society that conducts itself, by and large, secularly. High quality of life/social stability correlates to less religiosity and vice versa.


"Desperate times call for desperate measures".

That's all this is.

However coerced the kamikaze were, it was desperation that incited the policy. And those pilots resigned themselves to the task for lack of any other viable options, and to at least give their family some "honor" rather than disgrace.

What's happening in Palestine, etc, is a similar phenomenon. Patriotism, honor, religion and reward are just the trappings. I have Muslim friends here in the US. Suicide is the furthest thing from their mind. But any mass of humanity put under duress in the particular situations we are discussing... a fraction of those people will act in these extreme ways.

It says it all that the Japanese are what they are today, which is nothing at all like the kamikaze. There's nothing inherent that makes them suicidal or fascistic. It was the circumstances that brought those desperate tactics about.


"That's what a gym teacher once told me."

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The Quran has nothing to do with it. The vast majority of Muslims reject suicide attacks, which is why you've dodged that direct question twice.

You can look at any religious text and point out horrible things it endorses. That's what religion is. That's why there is a million different subsets of Christianity, because people believe what they believe and they interpret their religion to suit that. But the tail doesn't wag the dog, here.

Just as in the US Civil War BOTH sides used the Christian bible to support slavery and support abolition respectively. And though the Bible does, in fact, endorse slavery the millions of modern Christians tend not to.





"That's what a gym teacher once told me."

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See, this is why religion is retarded and nothing but a system of control for the uneducated, fretful mind.

Not arguing with that. But I think it's a simple fact that religious people frame their religion to their worldview and not the other way around.

And social norms are a weird thing. You see how quickly views on homosexuality have changed in the US. But it's easy to see how popular opinion could swing the other way. It's just a matter of the social circumstances.


"That's what a gym teacher once told me."

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how absurd is this anti-religion smokescreen...
who cares? you just want a simple world, with a simple obstacle to overcome. yeah religion is the root of all our problems, thats all. clapp clapp clapp
where does religion come from? oh wait its a human invention, isn't it?

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I have Muslim friends here in the US. Suicide is the furthest thing from their mind.


...and likewise, i have muslim friends here in the US that have openly stated that they think all jews everywhere should be killed. the entire jewish population should be put to death by any means necessary.

i have NOT continued the conversation with them because at that point it really becomes pretty irrational and difficult to continue that line, but i *think* they wouldn't resort to blowing themselves up to further that idea.



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Yes, but this series is a start, a good start, at fighting back against the lies. I'm immensely grateful to Oliver Stone for this. No one else could have gotten a series like this out on American TV, a series that challenges so much of the US's propaganda, both about itself and the rest of the world, particularly the Soviet Union.

"The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of world history."
Mao

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