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A Couple of questions


I watched this after I watched a documentary on Charles Manson. I have been aware of the Tate murders but I didnt know who did it, so I found this and the documentary really interesting. I do have a couple of questions though:

Do you think Linda was telling the truth about staying outside the house while the other 3 comitted the murders? I honestly find that incredibly hard to believe. She did seem like a complete hippy but they all were before they were brainwashed.

Why did they believe Manson spouting all that crap about the race war and the end of the world? Its hard to believe 30+ grown adults would buy it, one or two impressionable ones maybe but not all 30. Was it a combination of the era they lived in coupled with all the drugs?

I also wonder if it would have been possible to save Sharon Tates baby. She was 8 months pregnant and I dont think she was stabbed in the stomach. I just wonder, if they tried to save the baby when she was first found, would it have survived.

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Not all of the family needed to believe in Helter Skelter. Only a few of them killed people.

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Not all of the family needed to believe in Helter Skelter. Only a few of them killed people.


And the ones who did were the ones Manson knew would do it. It only took a small push for them to do it. Patti Tate said in an interview in 1994 that these ones who he did send out were handpicked by him. So he knew what they could do in terms of their willingness to murder.

Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head. -Anon

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I've been interested in Manson and Jim Jones for a number of years along with other cults. I just find it interesting that one person can control so many others.

I've seen a number of documentaries, interviews and read books on the Manson family. The way I see it is the people in the group except Manson were all needy. They needed something or were looking for something. Many of them were looking for God or something like a God. They wanted answers. They also often didn't have anyone else in their life like close family who cared for them. They had left a marriage as Linda, been kicked out of their home, ran away or something like that. So they wanted to belong and wanted to be accepted. When you are in this situation you are very vulnerable. Kind of like a woman who falls into an abusive marriage. Does that make sense?

I believe that Linda is telling the truth. I seen and heard other members speak about her and what they have said is very similar to what she is saying.

Why did they believe Manson? Same reason as I stated above. They were looking for something or someone like a God. They were in awe of Charlie. So many of the members spoke of him like he was a movie star. It was like they felt something around him drew them in. It was like he was a drug. They worshiped him. So many cult leaders are like this. They have a way about them that just draws crowds to them. But, I also believe the drugs had something to do with it too. He made them dependent on the drugs like a pimp does his workers. They need the drugs so they keep coming back to him. Kind of like a dog that is abused. No matter how much the dog is hurt it comes back to the hand that feeds it.

I'm not sure about saving Sharon. I don't know if anyone knows that answer. It really sad she had to die the way she did.

If you are interested in Manson look up the connections he had with The Beach Boys and The Monkees. It's pretty interesting. But, I think the one about The Monkees is a myth. I've read mixed stories about it.

While I believe Manson is pure evil I find what happened very interesting. I was a troubled teen and when I read stories about the members I often felt I was in a place they were at one time. I think I would have fell for the charm of someone evil like Manson. That is scary. I feel bad how these members manipulated and used by him. True they did get what they deserved and they are guilty but he also had a part in it. Without him I don't think they would have murdered.

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I've been interested in Manson and Jim Jones for a number of years along with other cults. I just find it interesting that one person can control so many others.

I've seen a number of documentaries, interviews and read books on the Manson family. The way I see it is the people in the group except Manson were all needy. They needed something or were looking for something. Many of them were looking for God or something like a God. They wanted answers. They also often didn't have anyone else in their life like close family who cared for them. They had left a marriage as Linda, been kicked out of their home, ran away or something like that. So they wanted to belong and wanted to be accepted. When you are in this situation you are very vulnerable. Kind of like a woman who falls into an abusive marriage. Does that make sense?


I'm not cutting and pasting all of what you said to quote from because I'm not going to respond to everything you wrote because of this....

You said you've been interested in Manson and Jim Jones for a number of years. Most likely you've also investigated Heaven's Gate and various others. For the most part you do know that most of the so-called "cult" activity had little to do with the actual blather either Manson or Jones would spew, rather it had more to do with CIA experiments having been a hold over from the early 60s. The whole thing was a mind grab in terms of seeing how far the populace could be pushed, and if some were more susceptible than others. Only a fraction of what you're saying is true. Scientology certainly uses their own algorithm to ensnare people. L. Ron Hubbard certainly used his share of the same CIA induced mind tricks in order to snag his victims early on. And when I say victims, I mean that.

Jones looked to the disenfranchised in terms of the racial unrest still going on in the late 60s to form his People's Temple. Most of Manson's early mind control experiments stemmed from the Process Church of the Final Judgment, an offshoot of Scientology. It was widely known that Manson was in and out of the Scientology Centre in San Francisco. There are a lot of us who have studied Manson who believe there was more to the whole thing than simply a guy who took wounded and hurt "kids" from off the street to bring them into a "family" of his own making. These people were capable of killing, and I believe that was the catch in all of them. Certainly Watson and Atkins were capable of it. I've never believed at all that it was only Watson who did any of the killings. Too easy to blame only one. I believe all of them including Atkins, Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were more than capable, hence Manson's necessity for the latter to get her hands dirty on the night of the LaBianca killings. I also believe these victims were chosen for a purpose. It wasn't as random as some might think.

Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head. -Anon

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